STOP supporting the BS !!!

WOW at no. 4 Ice Cube.

Pretty good points there…I don’t agree on the first point, though. NWA can’t really be to blame. there were hundreds of gangsta rap groups out there at the time..NWA just got the $$$ and the fame as one of the first.

In other words, they were just the ‘lucky’ ones.

I agree on all other points though..good stuff!

lol damn you tore into Cube, but I don’t agree with it, although I fully see where you are coming from. Look, Cube was 20, stuck in the goddamn hood where people were getting lit up by bullets left and right by the minute!!! He probably didn’t think he’d ever see (let alone LIVE to) a day where he’d become a successful, black man, and even have a solid family structure, with a decent black woman??!!!??? How many of us, CURRENTLY, can even accomplish that, with less pressure on us, and even more opportunity than was available for people like Cube, back then? No one thinks that’s even possible today, even with so many advantages, and even if they didn’t come from that situation, so cut the guy some slack. Dude woke up, and realized that life doesn’t end with the ghetto, and it can be wonderful if you change your attitude. We should be lucky if more black men, and black women like his wife, could wake up the same way. If you hate Cube, throw Master P, Jay Z, and any other guy formerly pushing violence and drugs on the nation, but are doing ‘non-stereotypical’ things, in their ADULTHOOD. For that matter, you should slay every rapper out there who has a wife, kids, home, and raps about things he does not do, nor a live he even lives- whether or not he ever did live it.

I so agree, we was only giving you guys some exmple..duh!

Ice Cube deserves the criticism for his hypocrisy, along with quite a few others. Even back then, their so-called “expression” was silly and simple. I grew up in the hood as well, but I didn’t glorify it or try to “rep” it. All I wanted to do was get out of it alive and make something of myself. The problem is that, by the time gangsta rap took off, people like Ice Cube were long gone from the hood, but didn’t have the creativity to rap about anything else besides killing other black men or denigrating black women. He, and many that came along with him, were in their 30s and already wealthy when they were making some of that garbage. To be honest, the majority of rappers are nothing like, nor have they ever lived the life that they try to portray, and once they can no longer make money off cooning and buffooning around like fools, they criticize others. If we had any sense collectively as a people, we would have stopped supporting gangsta rap a long time ago and spared ourselves countless lives lost.

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#4 was on point…

Better yet, uninvite all the rappers/athletes who have come out into public stating how much they dislike their biggest fan base, Black women.

sometimes when we are in situations we cant see ourselfs out of that situation,thats all we know so thats all we can talk about and for a label to pay us to say what we feel im sure feels great as the money builds,one goes on tours around the world and interviews with well educated,very intelligent people,one learns and seeks out knowledge the inevitable happens you grow and mature that doesnt mean your past is erased.im 36 and was a rebelious teen and young adult and am not nearly who i use to be but i sometimes talk about my past and even share a laugh or two or three whats wrong with that?the record labels are the ones who seek out the mc with all the controversial lyrics

Maybe we need to have a Writers “Dishonor” Show starring DR. BOYCE!!

Whether they sing it or rap about it, you can still disrespect anyone if you want to. Why come down on rap just because you don’t like it? Or because you think you so much better than the next man who writes and does hip Hop?

To each their own. Keeping in mind that if there was not a market in Hip Hop then they would not exist. So if you do not like it, don’t buy it!

Funny.

I don’t see anyone blaming label owners who actually put the music out. So if you are going to blame black rap artists then you also have to blame the white label owners who are really the ones making money off rap music. If you don’t like it turn it off & don’t buy it.

You guys can’t be serious. the only thing that I agree with is BET. Now first of all NWA made the government see what is really happening in the hood with the police brutality etc. Yes I believe they should be honored because they opened the eyes to what is really going on. As far as Ice Cube goes, I used to think the same thing but you know what, when he started with NWA he was young, black, and angry. He wasn’t married then with children. People get more mature when they get older and sometimes they don’t. I think it’s great that he was making kids and family oriented movies. But that love for Hip hop doesn’t go away so what if he wants to continue making music. It’s his money and his choice. As for Lil Wayne I can’t stand him anyway so no comment on that

I completley agree BET (Black Evil Telivision) being on that list, you would be surprised to how many people does not even know that bet is now owned by white people, people are still sleeping……….

You should be ashamed of YOUR self for making ALL writers look so stupid with your non sense. Do you not have anything else to write about.
I never read something more senseless than this. Really.

You must be joking, Dr. Watkins. Some of us “black men” do not need a rap group to teach us how to be thugs. Many of us have been shaped to become thugs from our environment and not music or movies. The public and media may glorify so-called “gangstas” in motion pictures and recording artists who portray thugs to create a marketable image. We all know the reality is that street crime existed well before the negative portrayals became popular.

This is a horrible article blog foreal.

The only one I don’t agree with is number four otehr than that he nalied the nail of the head. Great job and I think the show needs to be produced for real!!

NWA Did Not Start nor Invent Gangsta Rap, for anyone Old Enough to know that Schooly D from Philly was Rhyming like that long before NWA and wasn’t called Gangsta Rap, there was no label for it at the time 84-85. He was just Rhymin’-Hip Hoppin! Hip Hop only got all these nonsense labels once the media/white people caught win of what we were doing and we like FOOLS accept these labels for OUR MUSIC And GIFTS the we Give The World!! And Let’s not forget King Tee The Great Not being Honored! He should have been honored long b4 a bunch of so-called honorees- long B4 NWA! I bet if you ask Cube who had the most influence on him, he will say King Tee and DJ Pooh was his DJ. I AM HIP HOP!

I agree with the BET and radio statement but the rest is bulls**t.

With the Ice cube statement, I got an example for that. I listen to Trick Daddy a lot, even tho he talks about hoes and dope dealing, that’s not all he talks about. He also talks about the bad side of dope dealing, the struggle black americans go thru, he even make songs to up lift black kids and black women and you guaranteed to hear him talk about this on all his cd’s.

Now I also listen to Too Short and all he talk about is pimping, hoes, and money. You see its a difference in talking bout something and all you talk about is 1 thing. That’s what Ice Cube was addressing. Its cool to talk about hoes and money but don’t let it be the only thing you talk about.

That’s why you hear the same people on the radio, cause they all talk about the samethang, if you got anything else to talk about, you might as well go underground. Which is the only hip hop I support, f**k mainstream hip hop.

Hip Hop Honors or Dishonors? Dr Boyce Watkins | News One…

I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…

WHOEVER WROTE THIS ENTIRE STORY HAS HATE IN HER BLOOD AND NEEDS TO JUST KILL HERSELF ASAP!

Good article and excellent points, being from Miami and watching the show I too was disappointed. I share similar views on the current state of hip-hop and its advertisement to our youth. However, at the end of the day it is the parents responsibility to raise their children with values and morals so they will be able to discern the difference between garbage and art. For those who defend the negativity that is present in rap music today, it is your choice to like what you like…just like I have the choice not to expose myself to such foolishness.

Right on about Ice Cube! He needs to stay consistent. No man can serve two masters. Seems as though, Cube will adapt his style according to what’s paying. I think his “exploitation” of the Muslim theme is tantamount to Mase getting into Church. These dudes should be exposed for the hypocrites that they are and I applaud Dr. Watkins for pulling his card.

I agree about Cube, but man, his first two albums stay in my CD changer, I can’t take that away from him, but the writer is still on point.

dont hate on cube cause he understands the nature of this business better than alot of people on hear nd better than the guy writing this article. people take rappers to seriously any way, cube understands nd ya’ll should to and JAY-Z said it best, IT’S ONLY ENTERTAINMENT!!! if the man wanna talk about f**kin b***hes nd making money then turn around nd doin kids movies, fine, if u dont like it dont support him or anybody else whos doing tht, white people do it all the time, are you really gonna tell me christian bale in the new batman cause he played as a crazy killer in American phsyco? u people need a life nd need to stop judging everybody cause they can do things you cant

Then I say, replace Cube with Tupac! Tupac tried to leverage his Black Panther’s mom association, with being a smart, intelligent brother, coming out of Digital Underground. Then he went super Gangsta, then went playing the hoes route, then tried to kick knowledge, and then incited a national east vs west fight that ended with not only himself getting killed, but Biggie too. PUT TUPAC ABOVE CUBE for biggest nutjob in rap. At least Cube made something of himself, what did Tupac get for his ramblings- a bunch of people killed.

oh and that the greatest rapper ever (Tupac), and his boys, gang raped that chick and beat up producers. Call Cube what you want, but he NEVER did that. lol

[...] I love the show, I must disagree that everything about hip hop needs to be honored, since there are a few dishonorable issues about the genre. A show for female artists would be a great way to promote the fact that women can rap, too. [...]

I agree with the Doc. But I’d like to add some catagories as well:
First the catagory for Hip Hop’s “Undeserved Fame Award” goes to 1) Nikki Manaj. She came out of nowhere, she has no real talent and jacked her swagg from lil kim, grace jones, and Lady Gaga. She went from being a butched out lesbian wearing baggy pants and hoodies to pink wigs and push-up bras. wtf?
2) Soulja boy!!??..I still dont know what a “yuuahh” is..nuff said. 3) Rianna..no real vocal ability and has the most boring perfomance ever! 4) Wackkaflockka (I cant even spell his stupid name right let alone understand his flow) smmfh! 5) I know some folks will get mad @ this next nominee: Gucci Mane! Sounds like he has two of those big wooden african beads stuck up his nose with nothing real to talk about except the color of his “ice” and how much head he gets and how much weight he moves..nothing I can relate to its mindless bulls**t lyrics that only dumb hood niggas and hood rats can relate to. 6) DRAKE (Fake)..just a robotic image of Wayne.He’s an actor and should stick to that or come up with his own style. I could go on but the next catagory is: The “Sambo Awards”. given to great Black actors and actresses but for demeaning roles. Halle Berry, for a naked s**t in Monster’s Ball, Denzel (Though I love Denzel) for his portrayal of a crooked dope dealing and snorting black cop in “Training Day”, and Mo’nique for her portrayal of an african american abusive psychotic mother, who allows her daughter to have incest and gets pregnant by her father, in “Precious”. There are others but you get the point. And those are my additional categories for the “Dishonor Awards”.

At first I questioned the relevance of this article, but after I read it I concur…!!!

Negrodamus says….

“Before 2012, rappers will start doing video’s dressed in drag”

Mental Illiness at his HIGH & LOWEST at the same time! The worst of the worst is the one’s who are broke & trying to make a $Name for themselves$! Walk the Street’s of Chicago in Predominatly Black Area! You’ll want to throw the F**k Up! Those Devil’s, Demon’s & Grand-Mother’s are Sick!

@ SoularFlarez: you late bruh, check out WC & the Maad Circle video from Ain’t A Damn Thang Changed back in ’91. His prediction came true the video had 3 crips in drag. Nostradamus also predicted the return of the curl in 2013 which will come back to enslave all mankind.

All hail the mighty curl or face death by activator!

*To Dr. Odds Botkins: NWA did not create gangsta rap, Ice T did. NWA simply took what he did and popularized it. Please post responsibly.

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Doc finally writes something I agree with. Hip hop has been in an on-going battle with itself for decades now. I should say “rap” and not hip hop because hip hop is the cradle that holds rap along with the graffiti, breakdance and its own style culture. But hip hop has now become the generic term for rap, but I digress. The topics are on the money. NWA definitely created the gangsta culture that we can’t seem to get away from. I would have respected them more if they were to later disavow that lifestyle in order to save their own fans from falling into those same pitfalls. They claimed they were just rapping about how they grew up as a way to inform people that life is hard for people in the ‘hood and they chastise city, fed and government officials and politicians allowing things to be that way. But once they got paid, they and everyone associated with the genre seem to want to stay and glorify that decadent and murderous lifestyle rather than trying to move away from it.

BET, the less said about that minstrel show, the better.

Im an Ice Cube fan but I was always disappointed at how hypocritical he is, jumping back and forth from deadly lyrical rapper to self-righteous family man and back to self-righteous old skool rapper trying to reclaim his throne.

And actually Dr. Boyce if I may correct you, the deregulation of radio stations was during the Clinton era not the Bush jr era. The Telecommunications Act of 1996. You may be thinking of the Telecommunications Act of 2005 that mainly concerned internet and phone services.

Well heresmy input you make records to make money,no sells no money, you had to give people what was selling. NWA, Cube , 50 shouldnt be your childs role model. I am a child of the ghetto, dope dealer and all that s**t listened to it all, I wanted money man and to get out, It was already there I didnt need a song I just needed to walk outside. Now I have 2 sons and a daughter in college, One son was valedictorian so it was not the music it you as a person. Oh yeah deuring those times of NWA there were the X-clan PE the coup and others stop blaming every problem on gangster rap it just perpetuates the the theory of divide and conquer.

IMO Hip hop is not the problem RAP is…And I think what we define as both is causing most of the problem. I most listen to neo soul, but the few actual HIP HOP artists I listen to IE: Common, Kanye, Lauryn Hill, The Fugees, Lupe Fiasco, OutKast etc…Thats hip hop! You dont hear about selling guns and drugs and licking a damn lollipop..

So if they wanna honor hip hop, I hope they give Common an award—he’s amazing!

aYYY . don’t forget Soldier boy. the whole youtube retardedness is just astounding. He sits and says lol ” who is ICE T” what a way to shoot yourself in the foot. total ignorace award goes to soldier boy. he first says, who’s Ice T. goes on Wikipedia and says, ” he was born before the internet?” Omg without Ice T there is no soldier boy and while u at it pls take Trina with u. Ghetto B and wanna go to San Pedro all in the same sentence? u wanna be classy and extra ghettofied all at the same time. p.s. just go walk ur weave and call it a day.

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“Historically, Black Entertainment Television (BET) has been a beacon of excellence for African Americans, highlighting the many nuances of just how beautiful our black is. In recent years, the network has fallen short to maintain the integrity of some of its programming. This group is designed for those who are fed up with the negative light in which BET allows SOME of us portray us. BET must raise the bar and enforce programming which portrays African American’s in a first-class manner. Our people are better than all the *beeping* and other inappropriate behaviors portrayed on the June 28, 2009 BET Awards Show (as well as previous and other shows/programming). We can no longer expect the leaders in the African American community to come to our defense on issues of inequality, injustices, and ignorance if we continue to perpetuate the exact behaviors that lead to the negative perceptions – which are often times at the core of these accusations. We are intelligent, integral, inspiring, and innovative people; the network needs tougher policies in place to ensure THAT is being portrayed.”-FB Group

“BET is not run by a black man any longer and it shows. Now it glamorizes or sensationalizes activities that are criminal, degrading, sexist, stereotypical, or [prejudice].”-Petition to change BET

“Black Entertainment Television’s exploitation of a powerful race of people is disgrace. This vision of us becomes impressionable to other people of other races, and it [embeds] itself quickly into their minds.”

As you can see, lots of people are tired of the misrepresentation of Black People on BET. We want to take BET out of the hands of Viacom and back into the hands of Black people.

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If you agree, please sign these petitions and join the Facebook group so that we can bring about positive changes for BET, because over the thirty years that it has existed it has never been so counterproductive as it is today.

The Facebook group was founded in response to the truly terrible BET Awards 2009 show, after a letter by Byron Hurt was sent to BET addressing the issues. BET issued an apology, and the group basically exists to make sure that BET holds up its claims.

To contact BET itself, go to: http://www.bet.com/site/site_contactus and tell them your specific requests.
To contact Viacom, the company that owns BET, go to: http://www.viacom.com/Contact/Pages/default.aspx

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So Dr. Watkins, are you saying the opinions and attitudes you expressed as a broke young adult, mirror what you profess now, with a few degrees, children and money in your pocket? C’mon Bro, is it far fetched to think that your ideas and attitudes haven’t evolved in 20+ years. Ice Cube just like your self should be afforded the opportunity to grow and expand his understanding. Clearly the brother has matured, and the body of his work reflects that. I dare you to judge him by the same measure you judge yourself. Often times we are very critical of others while grading ourselves on the curve. I agree with you totally about BET and other media outlets, but at the same time recognize it’s only entertainment. I was molded, mentored, and shaped by my mother and father, and not by the fake images on screen or videos. I think far too many use entertainment icons as scapegoats for their own lack of involvement.

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