I’m not sure what to think~ I’m disgusted by Meet The Browns but my daughter and other family memebers find it roll on the floor funny~ I LOVE the message of hope and perseverance in his films. I don’t like how he mocks and pokes fun of God’s word while doing so~

T.Perry is one of those cats where you love him or ya don’t~ I 100% see where Spike got his comments from~

I like tyler as a person and am proud of his success. However his work is a bunch of coonery-not all but alot-his work lacks any real substance in my opinion-not that anythings wrong with ‘entertainment’ but am dissapointed in the same old tired trivial unimaginative tyler perry productions. And damn why everything he do he has to prelude with a tyler perry….. sick of even his name-as much work and diverse work of say bruckinhimier-does u dont even know untill end of show its his- tyler if u lestening let ur work speak for itself somtimes and take some time off and be creative

I have a good friend that work for TP, at the same time Spike is right. He done made millions on top of millions, now he need to step his game up, cause this girly girl stuff done played out. Get ya Grown Man on nigga

Spike Lee is right honestly. He might have been too abrasive but he’s right. People need to go back and watch Bamboozled.I am happy for Tyler’s sucess. But at the end of the day Tylers not really to blame it’s us black folks. We scream up and down about how we want diverse black characters in movies and on tv but when someone does it we don’t support it.

Tyler is the perfect example. His movies such as “The Family That Preys” and “Why Did I Get Married” were very intelligent movies on any level. But those movies didn’t make that much money. But every time he plays the ghetto grandma black folks are knocking the theater doors down to go see it. Even he said he knows he can’t do the Madea movie too many more times, because he can only go so far with it.

I think Spike’s comments touched a nerve with Tyler because Tyler realized they were true. The best comeback he can come with is, “It’s those attitudes that makes sure these people’s voices don’t get heard.” What are you trying to say? We haven’t heard the voices of a ghetto grandma and a ghetto father in cinema? We have heard these voices time and time again through black cinema.

it seems to me that blacks always find things to be angry about would you like him to just make boyz in the hood movies then you would be saying he is trying to make blacks look bad im sure if he mad a love story movies with an all black cast no blacks would go see it would flop

Spike is ABSOLUTELY correct with this..TP is very confused. He thinks, because he makes millions of dollars, that somehow he is not a damn disgrace! $$$ is not the gauge by which we determine if someone is harmful to the community. If that’s the case, we should start honoring drug dealers and pimps that’s out there making money. I wonder why you have to use “bait” to talk about values and God. How come it can’t be straight talk from the heart? I wonder why no other group has to make a mockery of their community to get these same ideals across. I wonder why this fool is pissed off when someone suggests that a cross dressing, ghetto acting clown, just might not be the right character to deliver a positive message. The fact that we are having this conversation in 2009, clearly shows why our community remains at the bottom of the totem pole!

i dont like Madea or Meet The Browns but “The Family That Preys” and “Why Did I Get Married” was kool….

ps- here goes the Bamboozled movie by Spike Lee….
feel free 2 twist sumthin up before you watch this :)

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1D443FEE12872DEA

@blkman6ft6…So its about the loot then…How the hell would anyone know if it would flop if no one is willing to try? I can’t recall one flop Spike has ever had. See the bottom line is, all that coonery is really to hide the fact that TP CAN’T MAKE a movie of substance!!

SPIKE LEE MAY BE RIGHT ABOUT TYLER PERRY’S MOVIES,BUT INSTEAD OF BAD MOUTHING TYLER PERRY, HE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT HIS ONW CAREER. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SPIKE HAD A HIT MOVIE?

It saddens me that black people remain so critical and negative to each other. The truth of the matter is Tyler Perry has taken Hollywood by storm and they have had no choice but to sit up and take notice. Tyler Perry’s films relate to many black folks whether we like it or not. A lot of us have those family members who are a bit over the top. Comedians talk about those family members all the time and we all laugh at it. Why does being black always have to be about the struggle? Why is it either you’re all the way down for your people or you’re a bafoon? Why can’t we laugh at ourselves sometimes and look at the intended message? Tyler Perry’s movies work because they are about pain, suffering, struggle, family, decline, redemption and faith. All of them have a message that speak to those who are under served and whose voices are never heard. There are people who really need those messages. Just because you don’t necessarily relate to them, doesn’t make it wrong. I know Tyler is tired of doing the Madea character but it’s what the people want. I congratulate Mr. Perry for breaking through that glass ceiling and being one of our self-made success stories. Many of us hate Oprah too but she has done nothing but achieve great things and has the power that a lot of white men wish they could possess. I hope one day that black people get past the crab in the barrel mentality and learn to respect and appreciate each other. THAT’S what stops us from progressing as a people…not Tyler Perry or Madea.

One more thing…Spike had his day and we rolled with him through his militancy. Why can’t Tyler have his in his own way? And for the record, Spike did put out Miracle at St. Anna last year which was a powerful movie.

Tyler Perry’s movies are not doing any harm to your or any other community in suburban or metropolis in the United States.People get caught up so much with television and movies that it’s ridiculous.Most sensible adults know how to use discretion when viewing television or watching a movie. If you consider something buffoonish,disgraceful or degrading then change the channel. If there is a movie that is playing at your local movie theater that you consider offensive don’t spend your money and don’t allow your children to view it either. Parents should be responsible what their kids view in the movies or on television.They are alternatives to Tyler Perry,there’s Discovery,CNN, History Channel,Animal Planet and a host of other channels that educate as well as entertain.I totally disagree with _A_, “why no other group has to make a mockery of their communities to get the same ideals across?”. Let’s see there is Godfather I,II,III, and the Sopranos. Do you think all Italians are violent made members of the mafia ? Let’s go Asian, there was Five Fingers of Death,Sonny Chiba,Snakefist vs.Dragon. Do you think all Chinese people are Kung-Fu experts that seek revenge on their teacher’s death? If you are consumed by a movie or television character that glorify buffoonery or imbecilic satire then I am sure you had that problem way before Tyler Perry started making movies. The Mafia was around before the Godfather was made,there was violence on the streets before ” Boyz in the Hood” was produced and there were perverts way before porn was made. People need to stop blaming the producers,directors and rappers for things going wrong in their communities. Do most of us write to the networks when we are disgusted with the programming? No! How many people boycott these theaters when a movie is shown that they consider offensive? Not many!

His movies and television shows are made basically for the purpose of entertainment and money. Yes, there is a chance there could be a great story line and a message once in a while but for the most part he is going to try to create what generates money. There were ignorant folks out there before Tyler Perry started making movies and they will continue to be ignorant in the world.

Danm I thought I was the only one who thought Meet The Browns isnt funny. I like shows that make you think, not throw the humor at you as if I wouldnt find it amusing if you made me you my brian. Frasier was funny as hell, no matter if it was a “White show” it made you think. Shows like “Martin” and the rest just threw it at you, after 3 minutes of doing the same sh_t as last week it gets real old. Give me something take makes the mind expand and be amusing. Now The Bernie Mack show was differnt,it made you think without all the “Coonery” episode after every episode. I wish it could’ve lasted forever, at least we have the reruns. It and Cris Rock’s show are examples of comedies that are trully funny and intelligent, a mold not used often.

If Tyler Perry was ashy and broke, we wouldn’t even be talking about this. Spike would have never spoke about it. Which brings to the “Crabs in a bucket” theory. For those of you who aren’t familiar with that, once one crab tries to get out of the bucket, another tries to bring him down. Why wasn’t Spike saying this same thing when Tyler was only doing plays? Because he was a “nobody” then and no one cared. Now that he’s a millionaire, everyone wants to bash him.

@bkallday…I would have no issue with Tyler if there was a balance. Italians have a rich cinematic history that doesn’t start or end with the God Father. Kung FU movies are also balanced by popular positive
Asian movies. Oh and by the way, many Italians and Italian Americans have vehemently protested against movies that focus on mafioso lifestyle. There are Chinese and Chinese Americans that protest loudly against Kung Fu flicks as well, so this “crabs in a barrel” label could be applied to many groups. Go ask the REAL Black actors in Hollywood. Not only can they not get meaningful roles (outside of a few) but now they are losing roles to Ice Cube, 50 cent etc. People need to look at the history of events..When Spike was making his thought provoking, Black and Proud movies, PE was doing the same with the music. Then something changed. It went from “fight the power” to “freaky tales” and “do the right thing” to “boyz in the hood”…If you think this was NOT done on purpose, then you’re not paying close enough attention.

WOW, Spike Lee and Tyler Perry aren’t even in the same league, spike actually had to really come down to Perry’s level to make a totally true comment. Lets compare rap sheets, Lee: Malcolm X, Do the right thing, Juice, The Day the Levies Broke…Perry” Madea goes to jail. Madea’s family reunion, Daddy’s little girls, and a bunch of “plays” that the majority of modern black playwrights wont even acknowledge as theater. Tyler Perry is the “KING OF COONERY” all because you can throw a undertone about god or family in some stereotypical B.S straight out of 1940 doesn’t mean your work is good, or it’s the voice of black America. I’m very disappointed so many people are trying to support Tyler Perry, it’s sad you don’t see how the majority of white America interprets his characters…Maybe you’ll understand if you tell one of your friends your going to see your grandma and they as “Oh, I bet she’s just like Madea isn’t she?”

actually, ‘house of payne’, ‘meet the tylers’ and all of his films where he dresses as a woman ARE ‘coonery’ and ‘buffoonery’.

it’s a base, low level sense of humor that, frankly, wasn’t funny back in the 1930s…sure as hell ain’t funny now.

tyler perry’s cross dressing pistol packing, shiney faced negro fat slob waddling idiocy appeals to people with 8 year old mentalities on a good day. i must admit that for those moronic shows and movies to be popular, that says there’s a lot of people moronic enough to enjoy the buckshining, zipcooning idiocy.

i mean, DAMN, i couldnt sit thru TWO MINUTES of either ofh tyler’s cretinous television show. i am saying this LITERALLY.

they had a fuggin CANNED LAUGH TRACK. i mean, the shows were SO BAD they had to TELL THE MORONIC VIEWER when to laugh, and didnt have the balls enough to videotape that tripe in front of a live audience.

luckily,i was NEVER dumb enough to pay to see the movies…and the three minutes i saw on cable i saw of them made me want to ask for my money back.

again, i ain’t saying tyler perry shouldn’t make the garbage he makes; clearly he’s appealing to the millions of morons out there. but don’t chagrin at folks telling the truth, tyler. be man enough and honest enough with yourself to KNOW what you put out is grade school garbage.

I take issue when people say, “if you dont like it turn the channel.” Thats all well and good, but if you’re LOOKING for black faces on television and all you got is the Browns and the Paynes that represents a problem. To me anyway. I’m 31 years old, I’ve seen every episode of Good Times, the Jeffersons, Sanford and Son, Martin and Living Single…(LOL. I’m just naming off the black shows that air here locally). I can’t watch those shows anymore, but I’m sorry I CANNOT watch House of Payne or Meet the Browns either! Not for 5 minutes. I’m not mad at Tyler, I like his movies, love a few of the plays, but HATE the tv shows. While I understand the spirit that Spikes words come from, I still find it a little unfair to call Tylers entire body of work buffoonery. Anyways I got off track. If you’re looking for black faces on tv, turn the channel isn’t the best answer for everyone.

SO SHOULD WE JUST STOP LISTENING TO RAP MUSIC AND JUST TURN OFF THE TV RAPPERS MAKE MONEY DOIN THE SAME STUPID STUFF SO WHATS WRONG WITH WHAT TP IS DOING IM NOT A BIG FAN OF HIS BUT IF BEING MADEA GET THE YOUTH TO LISTEN THEN IM ALL FOR IT PAC BECAME A THUG TO GET YALL TO WAKE UP AND IT COST HIM HIS LIFE AND YALL STILL AINT LISTEN WHAT EVA CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE WE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THE RICH FROM GETTIN RICH BY NOT BUYING OR GOING TO SEE THERE BULL STUFF

and a one…… and a two *clingin the cymbals for the monkeys to dance to* la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la… Get that nigga Spike

Lee needs to stop hating. It’s idiotic thinking like that and U 2 smackUsilly U loser. That is what is wrong with the black community. Do something to lift a brother up for a change. Stop being so negative. And watch you’ll have some ignorant s**t to say to this too.

Tyler Perry is doing it. He has his own production company. He is worth 400 mil and he does have positive images in his films. Anyone who has watched. I mean really watched and not looked at Madea’s character will know
he has black attorneys, CEO’s, ministers and persons of high moral character in all his films.

Look the same people on here dissing tyler perry are the same ppl that purchase hip hop albums with str8 coonery on them …calling women b#tches and stanky legging….making all blacks look like thuggish baffoons…tyler has messages behind his shows and if they fly over your head its because the height of you thought is too short . ( dummies )

heya, 2foolcoon…i see you got tired of me humiliating you in the ‘forums’, and you want to start with me here?

bwahahahahahahaha.

what’s wrong with the black community is coons like you trying to sound intelligent when you lack the necessary 75 points on the i.q. scale to even be considered an ‘idiot’.

damned right i find his stuff OFFENSIVE. still do. and if you could read (and not have your handlers type stuff for you), you’d know that i ALSO SAID ‘i dont blame him for making money of cretins willing to buy his garbage’.

now, 2foolcoon, i’m not gonna slap you around HER like i do in forums. i think you need a break from daily humiliation.

WOW , That’s whats wrong with BLACK people. It doesnt matter what Spike Lee thinks! Black people cant get too far because they have other black men and women holding them back and hating. I have watched a few of the shows but since I work I dont catch it that often. However, EVERY single movie that Tyler Perry has made I have supported. Why? Because he is sending out messages through his movies. Not only to our youth, but to adults, not only too black men and women but too all races. Even with all the negative people downing Tyler Perry, he is still making money. If you dont like it, then dont watch it, Its as simple as that. But we as Black people shouldnt bring one another down, because its hard to get to where both Spike Lee and Tyler Perry have gotten……

Thank you Mz-Poetic…

I don’t know I mean I am not a real Tyler Perry fan. I respect his hustle and how he brought himself up from nothing into something but to me the shows and plays and most of the movies are silly. Especially Meet the Browns, they portray us in a very stereotypical light. Whites already think we act like that anyway, tap dancing around and eating fried chicken and such. Some of the movies were really good though like “Why did I get married” and “Madea’s family reunion” and the new one out now seem’s like it may be good. Also The family that prays was good. More serious tones, that portray us as as successful, responsible, educated people of class. I say he should keep making movies like that and stay away from the sillyness. Just my opinion.

man spike lee is a hater ,it doesn’t matter to me whether or not tyler’s movies are wack and not .at least give the man some credit ,he’s came from nothing to something ,not only that ,he inspires people of what goes on in everyday life.i wouldn’t give a damn how people label tyler ,the man is creative as well as rich.more money more problems huh ,yeah i know.

hey ,tell spike to get that bamboozled s**t outta here.i can’t stand when a succcessful black man tries to diss or disrespect another whenever they are basically doing the same thing.hell, spike and tyler are both directors ,producers and actors, so why would spike want to throw verbal shots at tyler anyway!cmon mane ,you can’t be serious.

OK ppl. stop and breathe. Meet the Browns is based on a neighbor of Madea’s. he IS silly. He is supposed to be silly. and while, i don’t always watch, i Will support TP, because we need to support each other. there are days when i want mindless silly sh*t after a hard day’s work. If you don’t like him, don’t watch him. must we always be so serious? white folks can make some of the stooopidest (spellin intentional) sh*t, and we pay to go and see it, and we don’t diss them for making the same mindless fodder that someone black makes. yet, we want to control the works of our peers. for what? eddie murphy dresses up as a fat black woman, and we think it was funny. He uses the most vulgar language, and we flock to see his movies, and he had some bombs. I like Tyler Perry. Saw my 1st play 9 yrs ago when i was hitting a rough patch. they are inspirational, and funny. for those of you that frown on his use of God and humor, stop and think…we are made in his image, can we not be funny about religion as well? to be honest, mad made religion, not god. bible doesn’t speak one word about religion. so, ya’ll just need to relas, take a deep breath, and move on. we are who we are, we like what we like, one man’s trahs IS another man’s treasure.

Okay, I will be honest. I can’t watch his TP’s TV shows. That kinda humor isn’t funny to me. But I know people that love it. The shows just aren’t for me but I wouldn’t made the statement Spike did.
I mean let TP do his thing. It has a market. If its not your thing, well don’t watch but I wouldn’t commented negatively on it.

its not that spike is talkin shyt about a cross dressin black man(IF HE REALLY IS A MAN AT ALL)but the fact that black people have begged,pleaded,dropped blood sweat and tears from one end of this country to the other trying to get something of relevance on the big screen and on the television,and to be proud of something that most black woman find repulsive if they were to see the same shyt on the streets is suspect.spike lee like most real black men are asking those in power and with finaces to go back to something of relevance instead of stupid silly niggahs,and mr/ms perry is in that position.no every movie he does does’nt have to have a massege but please take off the wig and show that ur studio is about substance and not n****risms.

to be honest tyler perry has brought alot to the screen and stage and for spike lee to say the things he said was not cool…when he first started look at the shyt he brought on screen when he first started it was some bull—- and it degraded women in some sense….SHES GOTTA HAVE IT…SCHOOL DAZE…and the list goes on. and now that spike lee have alot more investers in his film making and got a little bit more money in his pockets dont give him a right to throw stones….cause little do he know he has glass windows his self….

I think Spike Lee and other NON-fans of Tyler Perry have taken small aspects of his films or characters within a movie and ran with it without looking at it in its TOTALITY. TP always has a message at the end of his films and they are always POSITIVE, PROFOUND and UPLIFTING. However, people are too busy looking at Madea or Mr. Brown to see that. Often times they are not even the “central” characters in his film. However they are his money makers and what is wrong with giving your storyline a little “balance”. If the stories are too serious people are complaining and if it is an all comedic storyline then it is not serious enough. WTF!!! Can’t please everyone. All I know is he is a MEGA “self-made” millionaire ;) . He has all my respect and support. We as blacks will not reach the pinnacle of success as long as we are “crabs in a barrel”…pulling one another down! We GOTS to do better my people!

mz poetic, we have a right not only to NOT support what we feel is coonshinery of tyler perry, but SPEAK OUT ON IT. your suggestion is akin to US saying ‘if you like tyler perry’s movies, then just watch them’.

as far as making money, ‘gangsta rappers’ make money too with their misogynistic and coonish lines. they purportedly send ‘a message’ in the music. yet i BET when one of those sambos says ‘i beat that bytch ho’ wif a bat’, you get offended.

I know some folks really don’t want to admit it, but Spike is right on Tyler’s movies. He also has the pedigree to go in on him like that. Without Spike Lee putting in his hard work, Tyler wouldn’t exist. I understand that most people have someone in their family who fits those steryotypes, but that doesn’t mean that it’s something to be proud of. Some people dpn’t understand that all of those back and white video’s from the 50′s and 60′s represented us standing up and saying no more to this crap. What was cool then isn’t cool now. Blackface was cool in it’s day, but doing that would get you hurt now. It’s sad that some of us black folks feel better about identifying with Madea and the Browns than we do about the Cosbys. The same arguement is being made about rap music and the same thing holds true. Only coons can relate to coonery because coonery is normal to them. I’m not calling anybody on here a coon or even Tyler Perry for that matter, but by his reaction I can tell that even he knows that Mr. Lee is telling the truth. Tyler’s in a catch 22. If he get’s too deep than he won’t get supported but he’s typecast into doing work that he probly wants to step away from because the coons won’t support anything with real depth if they realize it’s deep. He already saw that with the more serious movies he released. I’m not really knocking Tyler for the material he made to get to this point because if I was in his position when he started and had an oppertunity to come up like he did, I would’ve fed the coons garbage too. I wouldn’t have dressed up like a woman to do it, but other than that I understand. By the way, I see that some peole want to use Boyz n tha hood and Menace to society as refrences and that is apples and oranges. I don’t know what everyone experienced growing up but if you come up around that type of environment those movies are the truth. Those movies show you that that lifestyle is really harder than it may look and a dead end. Madea shows the world that’s whats up. Big difference.

i cant believe the number of folks defending tyler perry’s idiocy.

can i ask something…do you also support movies with ‘step n fetchit’ in them? i mean, after all, he was one of the highest paid actors, PERIOD, from the early 1930s until the 1940s…and blacks didnt even HAVE the choice in movies they have now? he was making $300,000 a year in that time (about $5 million a year in 2009 dollars).

fact is, tyler perry dresses as a woman…not funny.

his movies often cast BLACK MEN as ‘the bad guy’, and black women that fucc up are somehow weak, pimpnotized, but not ‘bad’.

dont know, or care, how he grew up, but to CONSTANTLY portray black folks cross dressers, coons, bad folks and weak azzes is tiring. perhaps its time he moved on from this.

he’s got the fame, power and money to do better.

Let me say I don’t even really like what TP has put put there but I can’t hate on the man like that. N!gga gettin money and he gettin these white people money to. Spike Lee need to get off his lil high horse. Together we stand and divided we fall.

Btw, Bamboozled was actually showing the pitfalls of the coonery. He wasn’t glorifying any of that like Tyler’s popular movies and shows do. For all those who seen the movie, think back to the scene where dude came out painted in blackface and the white crowd was too. I don’t think I need to say anymore, you should see where i’m going.

I will not go the route Spike did. But to be honest I find most of TP’s humor to be very stereotypical of blacks. I refuse to watch the tv show’s and most of his plays. Now I will give him kudos on his last few movies they have shown much growth and depth from him. I went to see the latest and I most say it was wonderful experience when he finally put Madea out of the movie and got to real storyline. I would like to see him or Spike address the issue of the no real black relate family drama shows on TV..dealing with educated and everyday black people who don’t look to shuck and jive all the time

in all honesty there is defintely some coonery in spike lee movies y he talkin. i mean he was da one dat had samuel jackson and halle berry as crackheads so… i honestly think he is hating cuz tyler has his own empire… da bottom line is tyler perry’s movies all include GOD and his goodness does Spike? so i think we need to stop shooting down each other and help each other out if he thinks their is coonery in his material instead of running his mouth help a brother out sh*t black ppl!!!

Spike Lee is jealous of Tyler Perry’s success because Tyler Perry has accomplished more in lesser time than Spike Lee has in his whole 20 or so years as a filmmaker. I can say first hand that Spike Lee is not a very pleasant person to work with. And as much as he’s always talking his pro black, anti white people bulls**t he’s one of those typical loud mouthed blacks in hollywood that’s always talking about racism yet he’s not helping other blacks get their foot in their door in the entertainment business. I’ve personally worked with Spike Lee on a mountain dew commercial in Miami and all the people on his crew were mostly white. The only two people that were black was his driver and personal assistant. I’ve never been a fan of his films and I will never be a fan of his films because he’s another phony like Al Sharpton who uses racism to further his own agenda in Hollywood.

I agree with Spike Lee. Tyler Perry is a disgrace.

A black man hating on a positive black man, didn’t see this coming*sarcasm*. I have watch a couple of tyler perry’s movies. No I’m not a huge fan, but I can see what some people might appreciated about them. One good thing I have noticed in his movies is that it always has a positive message to say. If being a coon is synonymous for being positive than blacks as a whole has a long way to go as a community.

I think Spike is entitled to his opinion…BUT I also think airing out our dirty laundry especially within the racist entertainment industry is as irresponsible as what he considers to be coonery. It is a double edge sword because as blacks we are typically entertained by low-brow humor…most of which is based off of SOME level of our reality. We all know people (most of them in our family) that emulate some of these characters (Madea, Mr. Brown, etc.). So the NUMBER 1 question is; SHOULD WE BE SWEEPING CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR CULTURE UNDER THE RUG FOR SAKE OF WHITE FOLKS?

I’m sure that many whites look at the satirical black comedy of Mr. Perry and shake their heads like; “Them crazy n!ggers”. But at the same time many of the supporting cast are regular if not successful black characters. Fact of the matter is, the promo’s and trailers do not reflect these aspects of TP’s movies.

Spike has done more than most people realize for black cinema. So the last thing anyone on this board should be doing is discredit Spike in ANY WAY. There would be no Tyler Perry without Spikes contributions to black cinema. So I think most of you need to go back and look at some of Spike’s films AS AN ADULT and you might actually understand the premise. Spike has never put out anything without artistic integrity in some sense.

@ NtelligentlyInclined,actually you are helping my argument. You said, you can’t watch House of Payne or Meet the Browns for more than five minutes.So what do you do when the five minutes is up? You turn the channel,correct? Or do you just sit and watch for the sake of seeing colored folks on television? Television is not the only outlet in the world. You have books,magazines,internet and you can rent or buy movies,specials that have meaningful content. It depends on the individual, maybe some people find “Meet the Browns” and the ” House of Payne” funny and entertaining. While others might find it degrading ,offensive and not funny at all.Personally,I am not going to watch anything that I consider stale,offensive or degrading.At the end of the day, you have the power. Turn the channel or just turn the television off altogether and open a book.If R-Kelly made a C.D titled, ” Let me pee on you lil girl”,would you buy it simply because R.Kelly made it? You are not obligated to watch or listen to someone just because they are black.

The same people who defend Tyler Perry, I guarantee, are the same people who watch Flavor of Love, Real Chance at Love, For the love of Ray Jay, and any other show that promotes coonery. People think Dave Chapelle went crazy, because he walked away from all that money, but he wasn’t willing to sell out his people or sell his soul for success. Spike has made films that have made all of us look at ourselves and question what we believe… TP has just ran with the steroetypical things that other races believe are true about our people.

You’d thing that Spike could be a bigger man but I guess he’s a bit more than height challanged. If him calling Tyler Perry’s work bafoonery isn’t hypocritical, then I don’t know what is. I assume that he doesn’t consider it bafoonery whene he made School Daze. Maybe the humor in Do the Right Thing wasn’t stereotypical bafoonery. Or maybe this whole Maurice Blackman routine wasn’t bafoonery.

This is the pot literally calling the kettle black.

N!ggas always to quick to pull the HATING card because n!ggas hate to have a mirror held up that reflects their foolishness.

There is a such thing as constructive criticism and to be honest. I stopped f**kin with TP movies a while ago because the s**t is just WACK at this point. I don’t watch TP movies strictly based of the fact that you can’t keep selling me the same watered down s**t over and over again…black or not.

omg i`m sorry but all i have to say is lynn whitfield is so f**kin ugly lmao

F**k Spike Lee with his lizard looking ass. He’s jealouse because he’s not in the spotlight anymore. He has to put down another brother who’s out there doing his thing making money.

and a one… and a two *monkey on the drum set* la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la (dance monkey dance) lol

Unlike most of black Hollywood, Spike Lee doesn’t have to worry about a lack of acting jobs. Which is why he can speak from his heart. Tyler Perrys movies, and motivations for making these movies, is simply for profit.

Anybody that doesn’t think Tyler Perrys movies isnt harmful to us, doesn’t know much about psychology, propaganda and history. These coonish images, are sent into households across the globe as representatives of African Americans. And hollywood knows it, and rewards him for it. Nothing in life, is just a movie, just a play, or just an anything. Do the math people. When was the last time you saw a jewish comedy, where folks acting over the top, loud and ignorent. Those images are called anti-semetic, and are fought against.
Theres a doc**tary called classified x, on youtube, by Melvin Van Peoples, talking about this same topic. Dont allow the ignorence of self hatred-wrapped in humor, to infect you any further. Do the math, and really learn about your history.

Tyler Perry needs to stop dressing like a woman for $$$$$$$$$.Cant he come up with any other ideas.Jeeeeeeez.

I love Tyler Perry’s work and hope to be on his team of writer’s one day. As for anything that Spike Lee has to say against another brother’s work ..I really beg to differ. Spike had some pretty interesting days but I just don’t think that this is HIS day right now. I think that Spike Lee being a black man himself could have approached this issue (if he had one) directly to Mr. Perry and maybe just maybe they could have come up with some ideas to make a difference. Unfortunately now, all Spike did was exactly what he always preached not to do with the white man in most of his movies…Why did he involve the other races to a public opinion poll about what another BLACK man is doing in his work. We are always hearing that famous line about how whitey stick together..and now look at this.. Why would Spike Lee proove that right again. Why are we killing each other. Blacks against Blacks? Makes no dam sense.
The kid1986..perhaps Tyler will stop dressing up like a woman when ad if he finds a woman who can play the part…you think…. I don’t see what’s wrong with it ..it gets the same point across.
Keep doing what you do best Mr. Perry. I love it!!!

If ur posted anythg negative about Tyler Perry,Thn i see u ass a hater…..So this for U…U phony,U fake,U the type of poeple thts broke…….Mr.Perry givin jobs, to our people,who u givin jobs to? Broke ass fools.

I agree with Spike.
Tyler’s got enough money and power to elevate his material.
He’s creating these characters by choice.

In all honesty, I see Spike Lee’s point. The way he said it was abrasive, but it’s true. Tyler Perry’s re-packaging the same story over & over again in his movies, and just changing the title. He’s put out a couple of good films, and I applaud him. However, he’s essentially showing us a throwback of Amos ‘n’ Andy, Sleep ‘n Eat, or Stepin Fetchit, and passing along the subliminal message that this is fine…as long as it’s profitable. An earlier poster pointed to Do The Right Thing, and School Daze, then Bamboozled, as evidence of Spike Lee’s hypocrisy…I don’t see it, but that may just be me. Do The Right Thing spoke about race relations in NY, over a summer, during the early 90s. It was realistic, because it showed you how one person & their views/actions affected another. School Daze showed what was going on at HBCUs, while poking fun at 1 major aspect, which is Greek Life. Bamboozled showed what the effects of constantly chasing money will do…essentially, “What good is gaining the whole world, if you lose your soul?” In no example given was there some stereotypical bullsh*t force fed to you, for the duration of the movie. Perry’s work can be grouped into the same class as Flavor Flav, and the rest of that VH1 subset…some folks find it entertaining, but it shouldn’t be the standard for how Black people are portrayed on TV.

@bkallday365…What I said was turn the channel isnt the best answer for everybody. E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y. The point I was getting at is there are people out there who just want to see black faces on television (such as myself). Of course theres other stuff to do than watch tv, but since everybody dont read books, or surf the net they will probably unwind in front of the television, right? I personally am only interested in seeing black faces on tv! After the 5 minutes of the torture that is Tyler Perrys television shows yes I change the channel or just find something else to do. I don’t spend much time on tv because thankfully I have a life, lol, but if all I want is to see black television and theres nothing else to TURN THE CHANNEL to then I’m bothered by that. Thats why I said I take issue with the “turn the channel” comment. Sorry I didn’t read your entire post. I stopped reading when you started talking about music, so if I missed something pertinent I apologize.

you know people are so silly and dumb worried about what one another is doing instead of praising one another for the hard work he or she has done to get where they are going or just struggling to be there.Instead we talk in jealousy because someone is doing things much better.Yeah spike help pave the way as a director/actor but what about the people before him who played butlers and maids,slaves,farm hands…wake the fuk up people new day new age someone found a way to make you laugh with a positive message and you wanna down his talent;tell me how many spike lee joints made you laugh before he got serious hummmmmmmmmm….can you say tyler perry box office hits everytime he make a film he sell out seats how many spike lee movies done that NONE…..the man found a way to make millions and mutha fukas is mad get over it SPIKE if it dont work for you do something different change the game up give a nig gah something to look foward to till then QUIT HATTING ON TYLER MUTHA FUKA!!!!!!!

BRUNO3RD…..You sound like a damn slave, defending massa. Slave masters gave jobs to blacks, it was called being an overseerer…Just because someone puts money in your hand, doesnt make what they do right. Thats why our community is so twisted now, we’re fast to sell our dignity and pride for what. A paycheck and a few laughs? Being critical doesnt mean your hating, it just means you have common sense enough to discuss the pros and cons, without getting emotional.

Well Im not surprised about what Spike said, he is one of those “Pro Black” politically correct directors and he hasn’t been making very much money lately, so whatever…Perry’s movies are still bringing in profits and it isnt stopping him from what he does. I’d let my nephew see a Tyler Perry movie before a Spike Lee move since his movies seem to always have someone naked lol. ( he would have to wait until he’s older (:

and whats the difference between these dam pictures black nappy head kid eatting watermelon can you say STEREOTYPE….NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE EAT WATERMELON…..but alot of us go to jail wake the fuk up new day new age check your shyt first and then come say something

YOU KNOW I AM SO TIRED OF HATERS WHEN IT COMES TO TYLER PERRY THE MAN IS DOING HIS THING JUST LIKE SPIKE LEE. HE TALKS TO THE YOUTH AS WELL AS THE ADULTS WHEN DO MADEA CAUSE HE IS SPEAKING FROM THE HEART! OF WHAT THE OLD FOLKS BE TALKING ABOUT YA’LL YOUNG ONES JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND. YOU CAN’T COMPARE HIM TO SPIKE CAUSE HE IS ON ANOTHER LEVEL. SPIKE IS FROM THE NORTH TYLER IS FROM THE SOUTH AND WITH THAT WISDOM FROM THE SOUTH YOU NEED TO LISTEN AND LEARN FROM! SO STOP PUTTING THE MAN DOWN AND GET A F**KING LIFE!

and then the nappy head boy is in a cotton field remind us later about your family tree

My option is this, Spike is the man he has been putting it down for “us” for a long time, but Tyler has a good thing going too and trust I see where he can improve on a few things ( madea is getting a little over done.) BUT what we need to do is stop downing each other from spike lee to our comments on this subject. divide and conquer, divide and conquer, divide and conquer… and we at each other’s throats already. Tyler Perry has done a lot for the black community, so has spike lee and I bet some white Hollywood executive is laughing and all the “black” people on “black” planet dogging two of the best “black” writers and directors of our time. divide and conquer, divide and conquer, divide and conquer… who side you on…

Ok first of all lets not forget that ALL of Tyler Perry’s films/plays were built on the trials and tribulations of Christian Woman/Man living in a world drowning in sin..therefore u cannot necessarily compare him and his films to every other film and/or their directors because they are not all grounded and based on the same morals and values of Christians. Second of all ppl must remember that he is in a business that only succeeds through the public. Therefore he can only make what “we the ppl OF THE MAJORITY” want and will buy/pay to see. Im almost positive that TP has been wanting to do something completely new and original but the fact of the matter is it takes money to make movies. He would be a fool to take the risk of possibly losing the entire empire that he has built just to make something new that we the public may not buy/pay to see. Until he has enough money and star power to try something new AND FAIL…BUT STILL be able to bounce back to redeem himself ppl should NOT be bashing him…because yall will end up being the same ppl to completely drag his good name through the mud just because his “new idea” to u was a dud…moral of the story if u don’t like it don’t go see it/watch it on tv on behalf of the rest of us TP KEEP DOING U, HATERS KEEP DOING YOUR JOB…(KEEP HATING)…GOD BLESS, PEACE!!!

TaeTae: How exactly is Tyler Perry speaking from the heart when passing along this foolishness to other Black people? Also…not sure where you’re from, but in all my 26 years, Atlanta (where Spike Lee was born, and attended college) is still considered the South. I agree with you fully that Spike Lee & Tyler Perry are on two different levels…Perry’s subject matter & body of work pales in comparison to Spike’s….it’s like trying to compare Michael Jordan to Rajon Rondo.

2cole4luv: What are you talking about? Watermelon, cotton fields, nappy headed kids???? If you hadn’t noticed, money’s not everything, bud. Spike Lee’s money’s been long from movies, endorsement deals, movies….Tyler Perry’s doing his thing in the film & theater as well…but at what cost??

Let’s be honest…the forms of entertainment that are given that represent “blacks, afro-americans, african-americans, negros, etc” are limited. Why you may ask? Well listen, life is based on whatever we stand or lay down for. Black entertainment is limited to comedy, love stories, violence and drama. There is only a handful of actors/actresses. This is what WE allow. We are the consumers and though many of us aren’t represented in entertainment, we as a unit represent our consummation. We are mega-billion dollar consumers. We are world trend setters. We are the backbone of any and every form of entertainment (we are more than that, but entertainment is this topic so I’ll stick to it) We complain and point fingers, but how many of us are willing to come together, regardless of the differences and choose to make things better? Until then, we will continue to be represented in such a fashion

why do inarticulate people always whine ‘hate’ when someone disagrees with them?

that moronic, ghetto level bullshyt doesnt impress anyone. you’ve got nothing of worth to offer when you say ‘hatin’.

many of us (including spike lee) simply find a man who dresses up as a woman and has NOTHING BUT buffonish characters in his movies/shows repulsive. you whining ‘he’s hating’ ain’t gonna change a thing.

you’re not going to silence those that disagree with you…in fact, you’re only going to ensure we increase vocalization of OUR position:

tyler perry, UP UNTIL NOW, has nothing but zipcoonery on his resume…period. i dont ‘hate’ on him, because he’s making money off fools that actually see that garbage.

i DO hope that now he’s in a position of power, he’ll do things of VALUE and WORTH…or at least do movies/shows that don’t result in black men dressing as women, showing fat people in OBVIOUS make up and wigs as jokes SIMPLY because they’re fat and stupid.

and, DAMN, you ‘pro’ folks keep saying ‘he’s making money’.

that is a clear case of short term thought process. clearly most of you ‘he’s making money, stop hatin’ folks won’t venture TOO far from the lowly socio-economic level you’re at.

AGAIN, making money is GOOD, but HOW you get it and WHAT you do with it are equally important.

as i stated before, ‘step-n-fetchit’ made SERIOUS money for about 12 years in the 1930s and 1940s (today’s equivalent to $5 million a year) for playing dim-witted, rolely eyed coons. and THAT was during the depression when there WERE few (if any) positive roles for blacks.

yet i dont hear too many of you saying ‘but the brother was making money, so it’s all good’. you KNOW that his dim-witted characters were offensive, not only NOW but THEN.

what is tyler doing that’s so different? ignorant, stupid people in his shows and movies, and him cross dressing. that kind of humor hasn’t REALLY beenn funny to intelligent adults since the fuggin 1940s.

GOOD, he’s allegedly hiring black folks. now, can we ask him to STOP THE COONERY and make more mature fare. you can be funny and non-coonish, you know?

BK_NYC11….I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!!….Thats why there are so many NON-SENSE movies out “WE” the public …(not me!!!!) as consumers buy non-sense…..when movies with a lot of actual meaning and substance are released “WE” ignore them to instead go see Scary Movie 1/2/3..etc, Dance Flick, Epic Movie, Knocked Up, Napoleon Dynamite, etc….or chose to instead watch Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons, Real Chance of Love, Real Housewives of (blah blah blah), Flavor of Love, etc….so DONT complain bout he’s not doing what “we” want while your paying to watch that junk….because i can certainly say his material has tons more substance than any of that non-sense!!!!

Folks…quick question for y’all. A vast majority of y’all are lovin’ the fact that shows like House of Payne & Meet the Browns are on TV…to each his own. Would you be as enthused about it, if Tyler Perry’s name was nowhere on the show, and it was produced by someone like Rush Limbaugh?

I’m kind of split on the issue.

In my opinion, Tyler Perry makes great movies, and ever better plays. All of his movies and plays really do have a good message.

But the sitcoms. I’m not going to go as far as to call if bafoonery, but I don’t care for them. No good message, just goofy to me. But not bafoonery.

Brown really is a funny dood. But the content of the show could be better. With a better plot, Brown has the talent to be one of the funniest actors on TV. But the whole plot on that show is just dumb.

And the House of Payne is kind of confused on wether it’s a family show, or a late night show with some of the sexual remarks on the show.

Tyler gets and “A” from me as far as movies and plays. And a D- for
sit-coms.

But I do agree… It’s better than the reality shows such as “flavor of love” and “Real Chance at Love” which noone seems to have a problem with.

I mean come on. Why all the lash towards Tyler Perry, and Flavor Flave and others are able to do what they do without complaints.

It does sound a bit like hate. Not to be cliche.

Well..I luv Tyler Perry’s movies and plays..I must admit, I’m not too keen on his show House of Payne or meet the Browns..but none the less his messages in his shows, movies, and plays are meaningful and alot of ppl go through the issues he stresses..so, I give you your props Mr. Perry…Do what it is your heart feels needs to be done in order to get a message across..

its sad how black people hate on eachother ova dumb shiit…….

Aw shucks ! Looks like Mr Perry is making more dollars the lee. We love your work Mr Perry and we’re looking forward to your next adventure. spike lee – GO HOME – .

CORRECTION – It should read as follows. IT LOOKS AS IF MR PERRY IS MAKING MORE DOLLARS THAN lee.

OK so TP has some skill but he needs to find ways to sell without dressing like a woman.We know Madea the ignorant ni**er sells.New flicks please!

As long as it’s making money, it’s A-OKAY right?

Look whats happened to Hip Hop since we started thinking like that…

its stuff like this that makes me mad….tyler perry went from being homeless to having millions of dollars by telling black peoples stories through plays and movies and book.if spike lee is calling tyler perry’s shows “coonery and buffoonery” then hes calling the people that really live like that and think like that and know somebody that acts like that “coonery and buffoonery”.people make it seem like tyler perry has never made a movie without madeo because i has and even with his last movie she only played a minor role.the movie wasnt about madea.people need to let this damn man be the man that hes supposed to be without all of the hating and debating but hey i guess that means hes doing something right

my bad for the mispelling…i got caught up and was typing so fast that i mispelled a few words……….sorry

Why can’t black people produce comedies without it being called coonery. How are his projects any different from all these white comedy shows. Are Jim Carey and Will Ferrel coons? D.L Hugley said the same thing about the Wayan’s brothers. Are black people not allowed to laugh and have fun?

“Bait” bait Tyler Perry? GOD, my GOD does not need bait! He does not need a trickery nor a he/she pulling His people in. You see that’s where the lines get crossed. I like TP don’t get me wrong, I understand the message in some of his work, but lets not get it twisted! No man alive can do what GOD can do. And to get His message to His people we need the works of a GOD appointed, GOD FEARING MAN!! Not a man dressed in women’s clothing, gyrating, then preaching! BLACK PEOPLE STOP BEING FOOLED! You need NO trick to know your Father. If you want to know Him pick up the redemption book, the BIBLE!

I do NOT watch the Brown because I agree with the man who started this whole Black for Black entertainment thing, Mr Lee, I agree with him! I do however watch the Pains, I think it’s more modern and it’s not like the Jamey Foxx show depicting a cheap thief business man, or the Waynas Brothers now that’s buffoons, homosexuality, and a list of other knock off “Black” entertainment!

SPIKE LEE WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! It’s not what you do it’s how you do it. The roles that tyler perry portrays in his movies are stereotypical in alot of ways. Although it dosent seem like that was his aim if these are the examples of african americans that other races have to go on then can you really blame them when they (whites and others) say something stupid to us? His movies are alot of overacting,exaggerated characters, and the classic life lesson that somehow involves GOD (no disrespect to JESUS). Bottom line it’s just not reality.

BRUNO3RD said….
“ur posted anythg negative about Tyler Perry,Thn i see u ass a hater…..So this for U…U phony,U fake,U the type of”

LMAO!!!!!!! LMAO!!!! Now this is just a wiiiiiiiilllllddddd guess, but I’m willing to bet, BRUNO3RD has no job, did not get an A in English and probably would do ANYTHING for $$$$$!

Its not about $$$$ people its about representation! Who are YOU? Who do YOU want to be? Certainly YOU are not/don’t want to be the “Browns.” Certainly YOU are not selling your soul for $$$$, or are you?

fact… his movies are reality. dont think so ? you must have been locked in a cage. And who said tyler perry was trying to do bible study with yall in his movies? ever noticed when you go rent these movies or look on the tv guide its listed as comedy ? and comedy is a form of entertainment. And so what if its stereotypical hes black im black and most of yall are black and you should know dang well that just about everything that he has portrayed of done in his movie happens in real life… otherwise where would he get it from ? dont sleep on life… drink a red bull it gives you wings.

Spike Lee is the best. The man knows how to make a real life situational movie. Tyler Perry on the other hand waters everything down, he makes fun of everything. I don’ care how much money he’s making off some Madea character, she was the worst thing ever created. But, I think that we should all come to grips that there are different types of people in the world. I’m sure alot of people can;t stand Spike Lee Joints, and at the same time can’t stand tyler Perry’s humor either. I will say this, I do respect Tyler Perry’s drive to stay off of the streets.

First of all, people hate to see other people that’s doing a little better than them, which means TP’s financial worth as surpassed Spike Lee’s and he doesn’t like it. Spike Lee needs to sit his old, short, washed up self down and just enjoy the entertainment TP is putting out. Secondly, his work is not stereotypical. Everything he depicts in his shows and movies truly happens everyday. And for those who don’t know, stereotypes can be positive as well as negative.

Ok first of all lets not forget that ALL of Tyler Perry’s films/plays were built on the trials and tribulations of Christian Woman/Man living in a world drowning in sin..therefore u cannot necessarily compare him and his films to every other film and/or their directors because they are not all grounded and based on the same morals and values of Christians. Second of all ppl must remember that he is in a business that only succeeds through the public. Therefore he can only make what “we the ppl OF THE MAJORITY” want and will buy/pay to see. Im almost positive that TP has been wanting to do something completely new and original but the fact of the matter is it takes money to make movies. He would be a fool to take the risk of possibly losing the entire empire that he has built just to make something new that we the public may not buy/pay to see. Until he has enough money and star power to try something new AND FAIL…BUT STILL be able to bounce back to redeem himself ppl should NOT be bashing him…because yall will end up being the same ppl to completely drag his good name through the mud just because his “new idea” to u was a dud…moral of the story if u don’t like it don’t go see it/watch it on tv on behalf of the rest of us TP KEEP DOING U, HATERS KEEP DOING YOUR JOB…(KEEP HATING)…GOD BLESS, PEACE!!!

P.S.~
BK_NYC11….I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!!….Thats why there are so many NON-SENSE movies out “WE” the public …(not me!!!!) as consumers buy non-sense…..when movies with a lot of actual meaning and substance are released “WE” ignore them to instead go see Scary Movie 1/2/3..etc, Dance Flick, Epic Movie, Knocked Up, Napoleon Dynamite, etc….or chose to instead watch Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons, Real Chance of Love, Real Housewives of (blah blah blah), Flavor of Love, etc….so DONT complain bout he’s not doing what “we” want while your paying to watch that junk….because i can certainly say his material has tons more substance than any of that non-sense!!!!

I like Tyler Perry and his movies so keep on uplifting us with your comedy in this day and age when we have so many other issues in our community we need laugther.

As for Spike that his personal oppinion and he has a right to it rather he likes it or not tp movies are a reality to some and entertainment to others.

And in this day and age we as black folks shouldnt care wtf other cultures think about our culture we have more important things to worry about.

Like the growing family break down in our communities, youth violence which seems to be plaguing mostly the black communities I dont need to give you a list of things

We need to get our fkn priorities in order Family First, Marriage, unionism come together and build a better community for our youths and their future

If Spike lee so concern why dont he bring his azz down to our communities and help out tp gives his support to the communities and hires within the communities

Spike if you dont like it dont watch it that what I do with all the latest crappy hip hop bs music not worth my hearing time

and a one…..and a two…*monkey playin da guitar* la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la *these monkeys sound good don’t you agree* lol

I’m siding with Spike, even though I’m pretty sure the next true comedy film or sitcom he directs will be his first.

If Tyler Perry is so talented a writer, why can’t he craft smart comedy like “Everbody Loves Raymond” or “The Office” instead of the cheap, lowbrow schlock that appears on “House of Payne” or “Meet The Browns”? Seriously, these shows are so childish and sophomoric that if it weren’t for the adult content or situations, they’d probably fit in just fine on Nickelodeon.

You know what the white,mexican,indian,native american,chinise man all different kind of natonality know we are our worst enemy. And if we do not hurt ourself. That our own color will spike is just a hater. We as african americans need to try to help each other and not try to bring each other down we do not have each other back to try to pull together. Spike he have not had a hit and tyler have had many. spike go somewhere with that and Can’t we all just try to get alone.

Sorry chinese miss spell.

Red_Clay_Chronicles made an excellent point…

“Folks…quick question for y’all. A vast majority of y’all are lovin’ the fact that shows like House of Payne & Meet the Browns are on TV…to each his own. Would you be as enthused about it, if Tyler Perry’s name was nowhere on the show, and it was produced by someone like Rush Limbaugh?”

Most black people would find it offensive if someone who is known as a racist came out with this type of material.

To be honest, I my opinion, I don’t mind that we have this type of entertainment *stupid, clumsy, loud, black black people award type stuff…*

My question is how come this is the only option? Be honest, these options that we see nowadays are the only options that are pushed in mainstream entertainment. How about a good sci-fi flick? A good super hero movie? A good historical drama that isn’t based on the damn slave trade *oh yea, we did exist before that epic saga*

We are a well rounded people of which any and every form of creativity has come thru. Let’s focus on having a variety of entertainment…

p.s. can we also look at this as entertainment and stop relating so deep into it? I love a good motivational movie, show , etc but I love stupid comedy too. Variety is the key, because life is not based on just one aspect of our everyday lives.

SPIKE LEE IS JUST JEALOUS!! LOOSEN UP LIL BUDDY!!! ITS NOT LIKE YOU MADE GREAT MOVIES, ACTUALLY SUM OF THEM WERE CORNY. IM GLAD U DONT MAKE THEM ANYMORE, TYLER’S MOVIES HAVE MESSAGES FOR TODAYS ISSUES NOT THA 80′S, I FEEL LIKE UR ARE HATING, BECAUSE WAT U HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO ALL UR LIFE, TYLER HAS DONE IN A MATTER OF YEARS, INSTEAD OF LETTING THA WHITE MAN KNOW HOW SILLY U REALLY R, U SHOULD APPLAUD THIS BROTHER, AFTER ALL, ISNT THIS WHAT U HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR!!! AND DONT ACT LIKE U DONT HAVE A TRASH TALKIN AUNT, OR A CRACKHEAD IN YOUR FAMILY!!!! WE ALL DO, U KNO U CAN RELATE, SO BEFORE U KNOCK THA NEXT BROTHA, STEP UR GAME UP, N DO THA RIGHT THING!!!!!

Come on i just don’t think spike know that his movies was nothing to show example to the black people. What about Sh’s gotta have it, Crooklyn,Jungle fever,and many more that bomb.

I agree w/ Spike!!!!

perry is right, althought i am not a fan of his upn 9 type movies. comedy is comedy. and he did come out with better stuff like the cook out and family reunion that gave black actors a job. spike is not doing that. the problem is theres not alot of roles for black people to play because there’s not a lot of black history in this white majority country. but there are still black stories to tell and hes doin that. leave him alone spike.

Spike is right. All of you ignorant black people on here are part of the problem. You don’t understand the difference between the truth and being a hater. Tyler Perry’s movies are becoming redundant and he keeps recycling the same damn characters because he knows we will go support him. Black people should demand better.

See I agree 100% with Tyler Perry and truth be told, I think it is because Spike Lee is not the only black director in holiday anymore and isn’t that popular. You want to talk about “Coonery” Spike, let’s talk about School Daze brotha, hmmm that’s what black greeks were all about in the 80s huh? Spike grow up and get a life man. Not everything about black people have to be serious and “Get Off The Bus theme all the time…Don’t get me wrong Spike Lee has created alot of doors with “Coonery” and serious topics, the same as Tyler is doing….I wonder is Spike upset that Tyler received faster reconition than Spike Lee? Sometimes its not about the material that is in question, but one’s ego and envy of others. I use to be a big fan of Spike Lee before all of the negative comments he has made about Tyler Perry, and Spike if you are so upset with it, then come out with some of your updated, current material that you want blacks to see. None of Tyler Perry characters are ignorant, but true to our family members…We all know at least one Madea, or Brown in the family, so what’s ignorant about it?

I don’t have to convince white America anything, and that’s what wrong with us, we want to show Massa white man we are proper negros…F**K THAT!! They are not trying to show us anything, not even respect..Stop always tearing one another down and start working with each other Spike…That’s what wrong with famous black men and women, we cannot support each other, but it’s easier to tear each other down and put down someone else’s creativity. Tyler, keep doing your work, and keep on coming out with fresh work. Spike, look back at your movies, and tell me, were they 100% perfections or have coonery as you speak? Don’t throw stones, when some have thrown some at you already.

Spike is not right, What are you black or white because this goes way back to slavery days when the house slave was the one that master could depend on telling everything. Please Spike is a house slave.

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spike Lee said what many intelligent people feel about Tyler Perry. Black people like you will laugh at anything funny even if it offends you…smh.

spike is just mad because he’s not the only black man that can make money. give it up spike and let some one else do there thing… BROTHER

I’m not very religious so I never really cared for Perry’s movies. The few I’ve seen all seem to have “fairy tale” endings also something I’m not too fond of. I expect Spike to say something that would get his name in the news, it’s his shtick.

Ok I have alot to say so bare wit me….
First off Spike will always be a legend no doubt bout that, but I think his comment towards TP and his empire was truly uncalled for. If you pay more attention to when TP first started off wit his plays, then you as ungratful black folks would have a better understanding. TP isn’t “preaching to the choir”, I myself was not a church going girl, sure I believe and GOD and all that, but the things have changed and i believe the word itself should shape towards the change. TP is pulling in people like me wit his way of forming the word of GOD. so many young black and other races need someone like TP to break the word down so that its not degrading their type of life style. I believe somewhere back in the day there were many people like the characters TP enlightens us wit.he’s taking us back to those days, there should be no shame of how we lived those days because it has made us who we are today. People please take the time to understand how life was back then because then you wouldn’t be badging TP the way you are. sure he over reacts some things, but thats how life is. the troubles everyone goes through day in and day out, we need someone like TP to release the stress and just LAUGH at the things we do. and yes many of you out there pointing the “hate” finger are doing the exact things TP talks of. take the time to look pass the “acting” and look at the meaning of the story, show, movie, play, book or whatever TP puts out. many things he talks of are HAPPENING AS WE LIFE FROM DAY TO DAY. young women need to sit down and watch “I CAN DO BAD ALL BY MYSELF”(the play) because it gives you the light and knowledge to RESPECT YOURSELF, and not let a man walk all over you. in the play a 15 year old goes through the life style her mother goes through and unfortunally follows in her footsteps, becomes pregnant. now look at young girls today, are they not going through the same thing?????? TP is opening the tightly shut eyes of everyone, the way we live, the thhings we go through. if it were not for TP i would not know the “word” of GOD i would not take the time to understand why my mother is the way she is, why my grandmother was the way she was, the moral of a WOMAN and how to “CLINK, CLINK” our female jewels and how to let the hate and hurtful things people say and do go. AGAIN TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN YOUR HISTORY BEFORE YOU POINT THE FINGER OF IGNORNANCE AND SHAME OF BEING A BLACK PERSON, BECAUSE THAT IS WHO YOU ARE, TP IS SHOWING YOU OUR CULTURE AND ITS TIME TO STOP BEING ASHAMED OF WHAT WE USED TO BE AND BE PROUD WE HAVE CHANGED.
MUCH LOVE

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YA’LL DARK_ZERO AND MARVELOUS2055 AND ALSO AD THAT TYLER PERRY MOVIES HAVE A TRUE MEANING IN BEHIND THEM AND HE IS KEEPING IT REAL AND GIVING OUT JOBS. AND BECAUSE OF THAT-HE WILL KEEP ON HAVING HATERS LIKE SPIKE LEE.

You can see characters like in “Madea goes to jail”..in regular every day life, sadly enough on the news..lol I thought Tyler Perry did a great job with “Why did I get Married” it appealed to a more intellectual crowd and actually dealt with real issues facing couples. But…How many more “Madea’s goes to jail” is he gonna make? It does smite of a Coonery when its over done repeatedly. I agree with Spike Lee’s comments.

How many “Fridays” or “Next Fridays” can you stand to watch. How many versions of Rush Hour, Rush Hour II, or Rush Hour Three” do you want to pay to go see? Maybe if I’m high, smoking a joint, half way drunk..would I be entertained by the same thing over and over again. Tyler Perry should learn from those examples that eventually his orginal movie making blue print will get old. Do something new, thought provoking, and that presents black people in a more positive light. Yes I like to see any Black person in the entertainment industry be a success at what they strive to do, but at some point in time make an attempt to evolve in the work that your doing.

Spike Lee made great movies “Miracle at St.Anna”, Malcom X, and even “Do the right Thing” which was funny but had serious social messages for you to think about. His movies had range, substance, humor and made you think.

Lastly regarding if somebody is hating on Tyler Perry.
When Jay Z made “Death of the Auto-tune” I don’t think he was hating on the success of T-pain or other artist that use it. He was just saying step your game up with new material. Similarly I think Spike Lee is just challenging Tyler Perry to step his game up regarding the subject matter of his movies. Only bafoons would think Spike Lee is hating on Tyler Perry’s current popularity and monetary success.

WOW! I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE TO SEE SPIKE LEE HATE ON ANOTHER BLACK FILM MAKER. THE BROTHER TYLER PERRY HAS ONE OF THE MOST INSPIRING RAGS TO RICHES STORIES IN AMERICA. THE BROTHER WORKED HARD AND BROUGHT OTHERS UP WITH HIM. HE IS USING HIS TALENT TO BLESS THOSE WHO WOULD RECIEVE. WHEN WILL THE HATE TO STOP IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY?

and a one… and a two…*monkey grabs the microphone* la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la *Spike Spike Spike Spike Spike*

Hmmmm…
Me thinks that little Sheldon “Spike” doth protest a bit too much. Also he is just a little too full of his little self. After all, this the little man (used loosely) that sued to keep a cable channel from being named The Spike Channel.
And Sheldon (can’t use Spike, might decide to sue me), if what Tyler Perry disturbs you THAT much, you (allegedly) being a man of means & ability can always respond by making your own movies…wait…”Miracle at St Anna”…that was YOU? Sorry, slept right through it. Complete snorefest. Stop hating, little Sheldon, let another brother use the talent HE has to make his ends. Not everyone can be a Sheldon…and not really sure everyone WANTS to be. We as Blacks don’t need your help pulling a brother down (as my grandmother used to say, n166ers & live crabs…), whitey does the job good enough.

I’m sorry but Spike is right. I like Tyler Perry as a person and i understand what he is trying to do…BUT..alot of his characters are stereotypes. Want me to give examples? The pistol packing, criminal background, trash talking Madea. Brown, with the different color wearing, non-proper english speaking character, etc. Also, why are the women in his films with an education who don’t wanna have kids or don’t have kids portrayed as villianous or selfish? I don’t think that Tyler realizes not every Black woman aspires to marry a man with three kids. Before we put down Spike, he always made fun of folks who thought they were better than others in his films i.e. School Daze, Mo’ Better Blues, Bamboozled, etc. Spike never glamorized those people, he wanted them to “wake up” to reality. Black people are always portrayed in a comedic way in films and tv that does not really highlight some of the seriousness that goes on in our everyday life. I’m ready to see that on film and tv and place that on film and tv, not the tomfoolery that i see so much now.

lets some this up in two questions, and these two questions will tell you whats exactly going on between who’s the coon and who’s of substance.

1) why is it so easy for Tyler Perry to get the capital backing of white Jewish zionist owned hollywood to produce his movies?

2) Yet, why is it so hard for Spike Lee to get any backing for his movies that has substance, historical implications, and positive imagery about black people?

All you need to do is look below and look at the body of work. The ones that actually has a brain will articulate, who made good positive black movies.

Spike Lee’s Movies:

1)Kobe Doin’ Work (2009) (TV)
2)Passing Strange (2009) (TV)
3)Miracle at St. Anna (2008)
… aka Miracolo a Sant’Anna (Italy)
4) M.O.N.Y. (2008) (TV)
5) Lovers & Haters (2007)
6) “When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts” (2 episodes, 2006)
… aka “When the Levees Broke” (USA: short title)
7) Inside Man (2006)
8) All the Invisible Children (2005) (segment “Jesus Children of America”)
… aka Les enfants invisibles (France)
9) Jesus Children of America (2005)
10)”Miracle’s Boys” (2 episodes, 2005)
11)Sucker Free City (2004) (TV)
12)She Hate Me (2004)
13)25th Hour (2002)
14)Ten Minutes Older: The Trumpet (2002)
15)Jim Brown: All American (2002) (TV)
16)Come Rain or Come Shine (2001)
17)A Huey P. Newton Story (2001) (TV)
18)Bamboozled (2000)
19)The Original Kings of Comedy (2000)
20)And Ya Don’t Stop: Hip Hop’s Greatest Videos, Vol. 1 (2000) (V) (video “Fight the Power”)
21)Summer of Sam (1999)
22)Pavarotti & Friends 99 for Guatemala and Kosovo (1999) (TV)
23)Pavarotti & Friends for the Children of Liberia (1998) (TV)
24)Freak (1998) (TV)
… aka John Leguizamo’s Freak (USA: complete title)
25)He Got Game (1998)
26)4 Little Girls (1997)
27)Michael Jackson: HIStory on Film
28)Get on the Bus (1996)
29)Girl 6 (1996)
30)Lumière et compagnie (1995)
31)Clockers (1995)
32)Crooklyn (1994)
33)Malcolm X (1992)
34)Jungle Fever (1991)
35)Mo’ Better Blues (1990)
36)Do the Right Thing (1989)
37)School Daze (1988)
38)She’s Gotta Have It (1986)
39)Joe’s Bed-Stuy Barbershop: We Cut Heads (1983)
40)Sarah (1981)
41)The Answer (1980)
42)Last Hustle in Brooklyn

Tyler Perry movies:

I Can Do all bad by myself
Madea goes to jail
Meet the Browns
the family that preys
Daddy’s little girls
why did i get married?
Family Reunion
Mad Black Woman

TV shows:

Meet the Browns
House of Payne

whoooooooooooohoooooo that boy Jazz cold wit it… lol

and the last monkey says…. “U aint got to go home… but u can take yo a$$ way from round here” “dj monkey rickarickarickarickaricka” thats all folks la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la

and by the way… I been doing the theme music for this segment on “WHY WE DONT LIKE TYLER PERRY” and I want my production credits for this soundtrack!!! Jammin A$$ Monkey’s Comin to a store near you!!!!

Tyler Perry could never say that his movies are anywhere as good as Spike Lee’s. It’s like lyrically comparing Souljah Boy with Nas.

Frenzy_HUNTER You are wrong spike lee movies are nothing compared to tyler perry movies. His movies are real spike lee movies like She’s gotta have it Crooklyn and Jungle fever come on. The best movie spike made was miracle at st. anna.

…yet and still you ANTI-TP bloggers are referencing TWO CHARACTERS (Madea and Mr. Brown) to justify your argument. I am fan of Spike Lee and advocate his movies. However, MOST of you who are insulting Tyler have not seen ALL (emphasis on ALL) of his movies or are familiar with his plays or productions. You are basing your argument on two damn characters that (although POPULARIZED) are NOT “central” characters in his movies. Why did I get married, A family that Preys and I can do bad by myself THERE WAS NO MR. BROWN OR MADEA TO BE SEEN so get off it people!!! Furthermore, he keeping a roster of black actors employed who may not otherwise been recognized because they don’t have big names or look like Halle Berry or Denzel. You are probably the same ones that don’t support local black businesses but will drive across town to give the whites your money. Now that is coonery and bafoonery at it’s finest (smh)!!!

Spike Lee been at this damn near 30 years and Tyler Perry not even a decade so let’s not compare. They both bring something to the table. I support any black film makers that are not portraying us as dope dealers, hoodrats, murderers etc. If we are gonna compare notes: How many of you go out there and support Black Independent Film Makers??? Probably none of you…and we wonder why we are where we are?!?

DEKANS Is right we need to stop hating on each other spike could had kept what he was thinking to his self and try to pull with the brother and not down him. That is black people problem hating on each other we need to stop it do you see any race doing that as much as the black people.

You know what Take_it_all You are wrong Intelligent people laugh and too serious people end up with no life and have to find negative things to talk about. Spike is just mad because he never made it as big as tyler that is all.

Take_it_all Just like Jessie Jackson he criticize Obama and did not realize he was on the air. Because when he ran for president he did not end of not where obama did. We black people need to stop it. That is what the white man want.

Jazzpast broke it down for everybody who still speaking crazy about spike and what he’s done. Look at the body of work and then realize who is critisizing TP. Tyler perry won’t be around long enough to catch Spike in the money department so stop with that talk too. It’s not haiting if the critisim is fair and true. Like another poster stated, if this was someone of another color making his movies with the same cast he would’ve been boycotted. The difference between today and yesteryear is that we are supposed to know better today. Black people claim to be tired of the disrespect but we seem to have no problem supporting things that perpetuate those negative attitudes and views of us as a people. I hope Tyler Perry keeps getting his money but I hope he finds himself stepping his game up too. BTW, TP fans need t oask why is it the only time he can get real accomplished actors in his movies are the ones that gon’t get all that much mention. You don’t see Alfia (soory if I messed her name up) Woodard and Kathy Bates in Madea movies do you? Janet Jackson either. His foot is in the door so it’s time to get to that next level. Also, has anyone noticed how relegion is used to soften coonery? Whether it’s music or movies or something more serious like real life rasism and biggotry it seems like if the offenders tie god’s name to some bulls**t people eat it up. Don’t get mad at the people calling out bulls**t, get mad at the fact that we still have so much bulls**t to call out.

Well at least Tyler provides work for all the black talent that is ALREADY out there. Spike Lee never did anything like that. He thinks he should be the only black movie writer out there. And what did his non-sense movies do for the black image? They were so ashamed of his movies in Africa that they didn’t want to play them there. Is it me or does Spike look like a turtle.

Spike Lee was right on point and I applaud him for putting it out there. I have never saw a Tyler Perry movie in my life nor have my family. I thing it is a shame in this day and time when we do have someone, Who has the means and vehicle to translate our story to the screen. They choose to resort to the lowest form of intetainment. Mr Perry knows that his reason for flourishing was because how he projected us. Its a shame that a black man has to result to wearing makeup and drag to entertain. Is that his alter ego, I personally sincerely question Mr Perry`s sexuality. doe he not know the world is watch and how he convey us is of utmost importance. I have not found one project Mr. Perry has done worth me spending my money on. And pretty soon Black People in generally will not find it entertaining either. Then What?

Duhamel, I find it quite interesting that you are criticizing Mr. Perry but have NEVER watched any of his movies. That is the most ASININE thing I have ever heard of. How can you base an opinion about something that you know nothing about other than what you have heard or seen PROJECTED in the media??? Making assumptions is a dangerous things. It subjects you to being a slave to ignorance. Think objectively…it is a beautiful thing :) . I encourage you to watch “Why did I get married, A family that Preys, or I can do bad by myself” (to name a few) and then send me a personal note and let me know where the BAFOONERY and COONERY are at. As I have said before and will say YET AGAIN, quit basing your argument on two people (Mr. Brown and Madea) when they are not “central” characters and are probably in the ENTIRE movie for 15 or 20 minutes. This man is not going no where so get over it. As far as his sexuality…does it matter??? Geez!!!

@ ROK & Venom & others

In this world when our population keep dwindling down in numbers, and the ignorance increase. We all know that n****rs love to talk but cant explain anything. while some of us who are not afraid to speak up and reeducate others are called HATERS. The most common denominator of why they love TP is he employs black people. I can respect that most definitely, but what people doesnt realized is TP fired the original black writers he had and he hired white writers. Can someone explain to me why would he do that when his plays and original writers made him bigger than life? . . .like I said money can acc**ulate in the bank but to those that control the industry TP’s money are crumbs to them. Therefore, they can always find another TP any day and any time.

Also, for some reason negroes love to talk yet cannot explain what they are talking about. Most of all, cannot bring articulated, substantial and factual evidence to the arguement. Thats why negroes will argue all day with Black folks, but cant do the same with white folks.anything to elevate the intellect of black people and to take out community in a higher plain, negroes shot it down with their dismissive attitude. Like ive been saying it is not time to get rid of the word N****R!

Furthermore, if we are going to reference men dressing like women in CHARACTER lets not put all the blame on Tyler Perry. Just because he is making all the money lets not give him all the blame. Before Tyler Perry Eddie Murphy dressed in drag (The Klumps), Dustin Hoffman (in Tootsie), Robin Williams (Mrs. Doubtfire),John Ritter (in Threes company) and so did Wesley Snipes, John Leguizamo and Patrick Swayze (To Wong Foo…) and the list goes on!!! All of these were box office hits some of these were recurring characters or roles so get over it! He making money and he is adding some comedy to it. Some of ya’ll need to laugh because it is NOT that serious!!!

It’s no surprising that the majority of Perry’s defenders on here are woman because, Sorry Perry you don’t speak to US or tell OUR stories, you direct your emotional, predictable trite towards women. Mr. Brown character is embarrassingly unfunny. His work pigeon holes us into stereotypes. He said attitudes like Lee’s are the reason Hollywood think “these” people do not exist. No Perry it’s your movies that targets an audience who seeks simplistic gratification emotionally thus making them profitable that Hollywood is only going to see us as bafoons and as filmmakers as not being able to be diverse when it comes to telling the many versatile, deep stories from our communities not just Churchie, womanly drivel.

Both men are great writers. Mr. Perry has touched on a lot of issues that are going on in the black community and so has Mr. Lee. They just chose different approaches to the issues. So whats wrong with that? African american writers should repect each others work not tear each other down. To do so is childish and wrong. That is giving the White man exactly what he wants and that is to see us divided instead of united. We have bigger issues to deal with people like AIDS, gang violence,our young women demeaning themselves for attention and the effect of drug use on our community.

I am a black man who agree with Tyler Perry on this one. “Coonery Baffoonery” is Hip Hop music. The Hip hop genre is funded by teenage white boys. Seventy-five percent of Hip Hop consumers are teenage white boys, yet you don’t hear Spike Lee criticizing Hip Hop artists.

Tyler Perry’s movies are entertaining to me. The movies are uplifting to black women. It is great that a brother is looking out for sisters by not portraying them as angry harlots. Perry tells the truth in his movies. I am not religious but I do appreciate the spiritual content in his movies.

Spike Lee is just jealous because Lee’s movies are not as successful as Tyler Perry. Spike Lee is old and played out like vinyl records.

First things first, let’s stop using the word “hater” anytime someone says something about a celebrity that the poster disagrees with? That word got tired after 2001. Thank you.

As an aspiring filmmaker, I see both sides of the issue, and am a fan (and occasional armchair producer lol) of both Spike and Tyler. Hell, “Bamboozled” is what made me want to get into the industry. Spike Lee has always been about showing positive Black images in the media, and I can’t fault him for that. Although I wouldn’t go as far as to say that TP is cooning, I can see how Blacks might be offended by some of the characters such as Madea or Brown. That being said, I do respect the positive message TP puts into his plays and definitely respect the drive he had going from rags to riches. And he has shown that he can do something other than the Madea stuff (“Why Did I Get Married?”, “The Family That Preys”), and I think he is realizing that. I say just give TP his chance to do his thing.

@ lordblack32:

I agree 100%! There is a reason that the Perry lovers are mostly women. He panders to them and bashes men. Brothas are viewed as no-good and lazy in his stories. I watched my first (and last) Perry a month ago, which was “I Can Do Bad…” It was just what I expected: Typical buffonery and coonery with some tired, formulaic story mixed in. There was too much church and too much music. It was a borderline musical. I think Perry just likes dressing like a woman and should just come out of the closet. He may as well, because I’ve already suspended his manhood license…

Damn, there are some contradictions on here. I saw one female comment that Spike’s movies don’t deal with real Black issues, yet Perry’s do…LOL. So…what do you call When The Levees Broke? That was pretty much focused on Black people, and their struggle in New Orleans, last I heard. I saw a female say that the stereotypes depicted in Tyler’s shows are positive. That’s well & good if you believe that, but when was the last time a Black woman you knew WANTED to be portrayed as a neck poppin’, eye rollin’, loudmouth? What Black man do you know that WANTS to be portrayed on screen as a contrived, foot shuffling, promiscuous zip coon? Add some fried chicken, maybe some watermelon, and some fool dancing…might make Mr. Perry a billionaire. Would it be more beneficial for Mr. Perry to put them in blackface too…since it’s comedy, and that’s the era he’s hearkening back to? I find it funny as hell that women are defending this man, and the basis of it is that he has more money than Spike Lee. I wonder how that assumption’s made, since their movies have grossed nearly the same amount of money, and Spike’s never released his net worth to any publication. And by the same token, since money’s everything…is The Game inherently better than The Cosby Show, because they made more money? Since when did showing positive Black people become something our people fought so hard against? From the 20s to the 50s, the only roles we could be seen in were manservants, maids, cooks, and what can only be called clowns in blackface. Look @ Mantan Moreland, Sleep ‘n’ Eat, Stepin Fetchit…check where Tyler got his “inspiration” from. The only time I’ve ever seen a well off Black person, fire other Black people, for attempting to UNIONIZE and get fair wages…and he’s being praised by the simple-minded Black folks lining his pockets. It’s no wonder the majority of Black people in my age group are characterized…even within the Black community…as being shiftless, lazy, ignorant, and easily manipulated. It’s the equivalent of fish being attracted to shiny stuff.

What I see here is exactly the problem with us today. If a white person had said what Spike said we would all agree with TP. But because its a black person say it we dont know what to do. WRON IS WRONG AND RIGHT IS RIGHT. COLOR HAS NITHING TO DO WITH IT.

Plain and simple spike lee is trying to make tyler perry look small to make himself look big, if not why would he go to the media and say such a thing?
He should have talk to tyler perry in private if he really and sincerly thought that tyler perry was going in the wrong direction. Going public only makes me think that spike lee don’t like to see another brother become larger than himself. That’s the problem in the black community on the whole! Instead of pulling another brothers, or sisters coat we down each other to make ourselves look good. WoW I thought we was long past that.
Me myself I love all tyler perry movies and plays. The messages well out weigh the comedy..and if you don’t think so—Your Not Paying Attention.
Just Me.

man you people need to gone with this s**t this aint about black or white is about to movie directors having beef

I agree with Spike. Though I find Lee to be very arrogant and an @ss personally, I think his films are usually brilliant and show black people to be fully-realized and versatile in character development, storyline, plot and originality. Lee’s films are very artsy and multi-dimensional. And he always makes sure to leave a message of self-empowerment or at least tell black folks to “wake up” in his movies. Lee is definitely a more progressive and advanced director and writer. He doesn’t insult or pander to his audience. He makes you follow him and tries to teach you something you may not have already known. Maybe its his NYC roots.

Perry’s movies are basically caricatures of black stereotypes. His subject matter rarely strays from familiar formulas. Too much man-bashing. Too many characters suffering from sexual abuse. The Madea character is the most obvious stereotypical device Perry uses and it’s getting pretty old. The Leroy Brown character is total embarrassment. I can’t believe so many people like this silly throwback character. Perry’s directorial style is very broad. Not subtle at all. It’s like watching those old b&w movies with the damsel tied to the tracks by the villain. You know exactly who the bad and good guys are because it seems as if Perry has stamped the words, “villain” or “hero” on their foreheads as if he doesn’t think his audience is smart enough to figure it out for themselves. “Family Reunion” is a perfect example. Blair Underwood and Lynn Whitely are so over-the-top as villains, I couldn’t even enjoy the movie. There was no sense even trying to watch the story unfold because it was so obvious from the beginning. It seems his background as a producer of theater is at work here and he tries to film his movies as if they’re plays. He needs to learn the art of subtly and depth. He also needs to learn to trust his audience more and stop pandering with all the coonery and stereotypes. Show us something new, Perry.

Spot on, buick. However it’s also easy to say that there’s probably a bit of jealousy from Lee whose been in the business longer and has never enjoyed the same kind of success from any of his movies, even Do the Right Thing that was more popular for its controversy than anything else. None of his movies have really made him “Tyler Perry”-rich. He may try to use an excuse of having paved the way for directors like Perry but that Perry has kind of set black movies back by introducing a level of vaudevilleism as a key to his success. I’d like to see Perry put Madea to rest and make more dramatic and interesting movies. I think black folks are able to handle straight drama as much as comedy. I don’t need to Madea mammy-isms or Brown’s coonin’ to sugar coat my movies.

What is spike lee talking about? What kind of movie was,” she’s got to have it “? And school dayz.tyler perry should continue to make shows that blacks love to watch.what is the real reason for spike lee saying anything about another black man practicing his craft? Who is spike lee suppose to be? No one asked for his opinion.those shows are funny,and there are black people who act like that.spike lee should continue to make movies that white people like,and leave tyler perry alone.

(Sigh) So, WE go on!! Damn!

Spice Lee is right,his movies has no taste and shows no dept in talent. Tyler plays a better women in a movie,than a man in real life.Teaching are young black men that black gay comedy is the way to be funny or get paid,not thinking about the young black man role in family.Black women needs to shut up on this subject and let the black man lead on this subject…THANK YOU SPIKE FOR PUTTING A REAL SUBJECT WITH SUBSTANCE ON OUR BLACK EMPTY TABLES.

I AM GLAD TO SEE U SPEAK UP TYLER. BOTH HAVE U GUYS HAVE MADE HISTORY IN THE FILD INDUSTRY AND NO NE CAN REALLY SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. CASE N POINT U SET UP TO BRING IN YOUR TRUE DEMEANOR. ITS LIKE REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY. WE ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES THAT DEGRADE OUR INTELLIGENCE YET WE ARE ATTACKING SOMEONE WHO ENLIGHTENS US. COME ON SPIKE REMEMBER THEIR IS STREGNTH IN NUMBERS. IF SPIKE AND TYLER CAN PUT THEIR MINDS TOGETHER THAN ONE TRYING TO DOWNPLAY THE OTHER THE WORLD WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GIVE THEM AN OSCAR FOR THEIR WORK. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT? I WISH ONE OF U GUYS WOULD LOOK AT AND CONSIDER A SCREEN PLAY I HAVE.

I AM GLAD TO SEE U SPEAK UP TYLER. BOTH OF U GUYS HAVE MADE HISTORY IN THE FILM INDUSTRY AND NO NE CAN REALLY SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. CASE N POINT U SET UP TO BRING IN YOUR TRUE DEMEANOR. ITS LIKE REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY. WE ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES THAT DEGRADE OUR INTELLIGENCE YET WE ARE ATTACKING SOMEONE WHO ENLIGHTENS US. COME ON SPIKE REMEMBER THERE IS STREGNTH IN NUMBERS. IF SPIKE AND TYLER CAN PUT THEIR MINDS TOGETHER THAN ONE TRYING TO DOWNPLAY THE OTHER THE WORLD WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GIVE THEM AN OSCAR FOR THEIR WORK. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT? I WISH ONE OF U GUYS WOULD LOOK AT AND CONSIDER A SCREEN PLAY I HAVE. “SORRY ABOUT MY TYPO’S OF MY LAST POST”

gren1shaw: You’re pointing to She’s Gotta Have it, which was Lee’s FIRST film…nearly 30 years ago. How many films as Tyler Perry made, with the same premise over & over again, and how many episodes of the Browns & the Paynes have been shown using the same formula? See the difference? Spike Lee’s first feature length movie spoke on one subject….and it wasn’t a recurring theme for all his work. Also..Ed Gordon asked him for his opinion during their interview on Our World with Black Enterprise. One more thing…kinda juxtaposed Lee & Perry. White people are supporting Perry…as evidenced by his backing from Lionsgate Films…Lee’s films have always been supported primarily by Black people.

BuickJazz is right on point

I think it is sad that Spike feels this way, Tyler has a different style that is fun but, still gets important issues across. If spike chooses to use a more serious approach that is ok. I just feel we all have room to tell our stories the way we want. It’s an art form and like painting and poetry and pottery. We all express this in different ways. Maybe spike is getting older and is set in his ways. I’m a film student and I would care less what somebody says about my art. It’s Art. There is no right or wrong. If you get your point across it works. You have different audience bases. So you have to use different approaches.

Sad dat Spike Lee is celebrating hatred, he is jealous bcuz no one is watching his wack azz movies! Tyler Perry is here for a reason, employing black folks, running a black business, an empire. What is Spike Lee doing? Spoke had his opportunities. Spike failed.

I think Spike Lee is a deep, thoughtful person.

I met Spike Lee while attending college and I was severly disappointed by a man who admitted he had no social responsibility to lead the movement of black pride and revolution that was stirred by his movie Malcolm X while he felt there was nothing wrong with the HUGE market for “X themed merchandise that amassed. How can you make a movie that stirs people to movement for justice and equality by any means and more necessarily by being proactive and not feel the need to be active in the community? To atleast see to some sort of positive direction of the movement?

While Spike Lee is only insulting Tyler Perry’s sitcoms, I still feel that he has no right. Sure enough he made movies that meant something in the black community, but he made movies more to cause controversy and uprise where as TP is making movies to heal and bring the black community together. There is no greater medicine than laughter to heal a heart that it might be softened to the voice of truth. He may have silly characters, but his shows are filled with positive images of love, family, acceptance, and even upward mobile and intelligent african americans…plus coming from a man who never had a sitcom, how insulted should TP really be? Seems like just another “I could do better, but I was never that good” case of the hates.

*Encore Encore Encore Encore Encore* (the monkeys are preparing to come back on stage)

I don’t see anything offensive about any of Tyler Perry’s movies or shows. In each of Tyler Perry’s productions there is always a character reminiscent of someone I know or know of. What planet has Spike Lee been on?

SweetestFatale, that was very well put together. You go girl!

Spike was right On time and on tune. Mr. Perry and the access and money now to do more thouht provoking and serious productions, but He chooses this low level stuff which only attributes to Blakc people laughing and now thinking about some of the issues confronting our community. The angry, impulsive and chilish Medea has done her job to show what we should nto be doing as adults. Mr. Perry should be working outside the Box to develop more sophisticiated works. Perhaps he and Spike should join forces and produce some works instead of squabbling.

Tyler, don’t worry Jesus has his haters too. If you are doing a good work then trust me you will be ridicule and talked about. I’m sorry I can’t relate to anything Spike Lee every done accept the Malcom X story. School Daze cute, but did it really make a difference? Black women who are darker aren’t still the most popular in the videos. It’s always light-skinned and almost white sisters featured. Tyler’s movies, shows and plays have a powerful message that you can take with you. God made us all different for a reason, but to put Tyler down for what he does is wrong in my book. Spike I pray you mind gets open because it’s not.

Tyler Perry iz a Genius. Hes the only celebrity that claims Christianity and uses Gods and Jesus (Yeshua) in his material. All these other so-called Christian celebs wont even say Jesus name. Spike Lee Lee just hating that another black Director and producer is getn more recognition. Isn’t Spike Lee the 1 with the white wife?

And if Tyler Perry is degrading black culture, what about Martin, Jamie Fox, Wayne’s Brothers and Fresh Prince? Martin always made fun of Pam by disrespecting black women’s hair. Gina was considered white becuz she was educated and light skinned. Carlton was viewed as a uppity nigga on the Fresh Prince. I can go on and on with the stereotypes in black shows. But the point is, these shows was b4 a black president. So how come bak den, no 1 said nutn? U mean 2 tell me, jus becuz we have a black president, we can do these things n e more? Spike Lee is jus hating. And everybody who claims to b a Christian should understand and support what Tyler Perry is doin

No. He isn’t the one with the white wife. What if she was?

As many others say BuickJazz spoke the truth on this. Too many of Perry’s movies/plays are very predictable, and in most of his movies everything that happens is usually in the same order again very predictable….. im pretty sure that his new play that’s coming out or alreadys is out “Laugh to keep from Crying” (if that’s the name) uses the same formula. I think Perry use the method “If its not broken then don’t fix it” Now Lee, yeah all his movies are required to have a 3rd eye to understand them always very deep…. but really to give negative criticisism to a man that started from living in his car to the status he is now is just plain ignorant. Lee do seem to complain/whine about various things like his battle with “Spike TV” accusing them of using his name for a cable station wtf??!! or when Lee went at it with Eastwood about his 2 war movies saying that there were no black people in the movie (Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima) read about what these 2 movies are about. I can go on about Lee’s complaints and I do love most of Lee’s movies but seriously what does this sound like? I think Chris Rock said it best “A nigga is always complaining” talk about Coonery.

and a one… and a two… *tap dancing monkey* tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tictictictictictictictictictic tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap

It just goes to show that it take very little to in the way of quality to entertain people now a days. We as black people are so ignorant to reality, that we can’t see things for what they are. Too many of us are in denial. Anyone who criticizes Tyler Perry (or any other black person engaged in questionable antics) is a “hater?” Bill Cosy is a “hater” for airing the truth about many black people. Chris Rock is a “hater” because he reveals how much money black women spend ON their heads instead of what they put IN their heads (i.e., books, and I don’t mean Zhane). Please…stop the denial! There will be another black president elected before Tyler Perry movies or shows are even nominated for a major award (Academy, Tony, Pulitzer, etc.). He’s a one-trick pony, while Spike Lee has made movies from different genres…versatility is REAL talent!

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SPIKE LEE IS JUST A JEALOUS LITTLE TURTLE. STOP HATING AND LET OTHER PEOPLE DO THEY THANG. YOU AIN’ THE ONLY WRITER OUT THERE AND YOUR MOVIES WERE STUPID ANYWAY. ALL THE CRAZY MUSIC AND SCENE CHANGES. I LIKE MADEA ANYDAY OVER YOU. DO YOU FEEL THREATENED OR SOMETHING. STOP CRYING!

Spike Lee,

Tyler Perry has given new meaning to go the movies, To let you all know

that there is Madea and Mr Brown some where in world, They bring joy to

people lifes ,Having a black man in the white house has nothing to

do with it, Spike Lee is mad because is no longer making the big

money that Tyler Perry is making , that all it is.

all colors of people come too watch Tyler Perry movies,

not because he his black,

I agree with Spike a million percent, if a white person was directing these movies and Spike lee called him out, everyone would agree. But since the culprit is black and claims to have it based in faith, it becomes acceptable.

Most comments that are negative towards the Tyler Perry films are rediculous. Spike Lee is always down on his own people; yet he has no solution to “problems” that he points out. What about the million dollar box office hits that only depict black people as waiters, house keepers and other minor degrading roles. What about how big an issue it was to finally have a black person on friends? Where is Spike Lee when other races are criticizing us?? He is full of bull!

Tyler Perry is more successfull than he is he can’t handle it! As a woman I feel that there should be more people who empower women. Especially single mothers. Black women are always put in roles that that make them seem angry no matter what the part is. I also commend Tyler Perry for showing the world that there are “good black men”; men who are loving, accepting, and successful.

Spike Lee is so suto black empowerment and shows it thru his negative image of black people. I think it is another form of self hate! I am not disreguarding his “talent” but he only shows a lop-sided view on black society. At least Tyler Perry is realistic. Everyone (black or white) has someone around the who keeps it real, and is insightful. If u don’t have a Madea I feel sorrow for you. His characters are based on the people he knows. Spike Lee’s characters are a creation that comes his view of the world. Although he has the right to an opinion, he ought to make sure it is one that will not make him look even worse!

It will be interesting to see who the next SELF MADE, male, black millionaire will be so you ignorant MOFO’s can tear him down too (smh). Nothing will be good enough for some of you. MOST of you who are attacking Tyler Perry have never seen his movies or either basing your arguments on Mr. Brown & Madea who are NOT in all his films. WOW!!! Furthermore, if all his movies had us shooting up each other,selling drugs, being low-classed and IGNORANT you would love that huh??? I could respect some of your arguments if you would just be HONEST and say you don’t like him or his “brand” of movies but basing your arguments on two people who are NOT main characters in ANY of his film is unacceptable to me. Get it together people.

Spike Lee is right about this,funny because i was having a similar discussion about this a few weeks back.
whats Tyler Perry fascination with black men in drag/dresses.
funny though his biggest supporters and fans are black women,why do black women enjoy seeing black men in effeminate roles?
folks on here throwing the word hater around,what do spike have to hate about,he is still one of the more accomplished film makers around,of any ethnicity.
tyler perry is just exploiting a market that’s stuck on redundancy,simplistic jokes with little substance to it.
even during the 70′s era of black film making facing racism and limited resources our films had more to them,we used to be heroes with strong characters.
shaft/black ceasar/cleopatra jones/dolemite/foxy brown etc am not saying every blacksploitation film had strong lead characters,but there were more variety to watch.
today there’s no variety in black film making,its just make em laugh type films,singing,dancing,shucking,jiving,with some hip hop slang thrown in.

here comes the folks to say,oh he hating tyler is making his money,lmao.
so did vanilla ice.lol

PERRY IS DOING BETTER THAN LEE OR HE WOULN’T BE HATING ON HIM

Spike Lee is right,his movies has no taste and shows no dept in talent. Tyler plays a better women in a movie,than a man in real life.Teaching are young black men that black gay comedy is the way to be funny or get paid,not thinking about the young black mans role in the black family or how are people over seas respect black men.Black women needs to shut up on this subject and let the black man only speak,and if your a black man defending Tyler,your half a man like he is…THANK YOU SPIKE FOR PUTTING A REAL SUBJECT WITH SUBSTANCE ON OUR BLACK EMPTY TABLES.

I agree with Skillz_1 & ddash17…. Spike Lee is right. Don’t shoot the messenger, be objective about it. What if it was Denzel Washington that made those comments? Would he a be hater? That cross-dressing non-sense got to stop. It was funny the first time…now move on.

why is it, when it comes to two black people who does something well, it’s always a battle of who’s the best or one is better than the other. I personally feel that Tyler should’ve declined to answer that question and maybe set up a meeting with Spike and discussed the matter. Healing and Building has to start somewhere. They both see the world from two different perspectives and we see that in their work. I think if they joined forces…they would start the whole shut down of Hollywood!

I THINK SPIKE LEE IS 100 PERCENT CORRECT ON THIS ONE. TYLER PERRYS MOVIES BASICALLY HAVE THE SAME MESSAGE AND THE SAME STEREYOTYPES. HE HAS NO CREATIVITY ARE WRITTING SKILLS. I GAVE HOUSE OF PAIN AND MEET THE BROWNS A CHANCE NOT ONLY ARE THEY NOT FUNNY BUT THE ACTORS ARE NOT TALENTED. I WATCHED I CAN DO BAD AND MOST OF THE MOVIE WAS GOSPEL SONGS!!! ALL HIS MOVIS IS ABOUT MAKING YOUNG BLACK DARK SKINNED MEN LOOK BAD AND EVERYBODY ELSE LOOK GOO0D. IF HIS ONLY CHARECTER IS HIM DRESSING UP IN DRAG IN EVERY MOVIE WHY DO PEOPLE THINK HE IS SO TALENTED? THIS MAN IS NO MARTEN SCORSESE!!

OH YEAH TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THAT RAP MUSIC IS STEROYTYPING BLACKS ALSO SO WE SHOULD STOP BUYING IT, MORE WHITE PEOPLE ARE BUYING RAP MUSIC THAN ANY OTHER RACE WHEN I WENT TO GO SEE I CAN DO BAD THE CROWD WAS 95% BLACK PEOPLE K? DO THE MATH!!!!!

I HAVE PERSONALLY MET SPIKE LEE AND REALLY HAVE TO SAY HE IS A CLASS A “N****R”…I hate it how Blacks from especially NY, have the tendancy to hate on people like Tyler Perry and his artwork. Spike Lee with his Bleached Skin and Frail little body, has no right to talk about anyone. Tyler Perry’s work has helped so many people from the inside out, from a spiritual to external. We as Blacks have always been soulful and full of passion and heart. But spike Lee’s, though some of his work critically acclaimed, is what I call Coonery….it is highly adapted and similated and pure slavery…A LOT OF US BLACKS IN THE U.S. ESP. IN THE NORTH, ARE SO QUICKLY TO JUDGE BECAUSE WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO ESCAPE OUR AFRICAN HERITAGE…All we know is fried chicken…that is a white man’s assimilation…DO WE HARDLY KNOW WHAT, BEANS AND RICE, SQUASH, PLANTAIN, OXTAIL IS…HISPANICS AND AFROCARIBEANS ARE MORE AFRICAN THAN US…THEIR MUSIC, THE LOVE THEY HAVE FOR EACH OTHER AND THE HEART, WORK ETHIC AND PASSION…BUT YET A SMALL CREATURE LIKE SPIKE LEE CAN HAVE THE NAQUE TO DEGRADE A BROTHER LIKE TYLER WHO HAS POURED HIS HEART OUT IN A REAL FASHION…SPEAKING ABOUT TRUE THINGS IN OUR CULTURE, MOLESTATION, ABUSE, DRUGS…THIS IS A SAD DAY…A PRAY FOR THAT RODENT!!

I agree with Spike 100%. Tyler Perry is selling out his own peoples image to make himself rich than a b***h. That madear concept was cool for as few laughs but now Perry is beating it to death. Its not funny anymore, it makes us look stupid. He might as well put the actors in black face with chicken bones around there necks and a watermelons stuck in there mouths. Its degrading, what he basically telling the veiwing public is that we are a bunch of clowns. Does every black man beat and cheat on there wives? Does every black grandma tote pistols and act like they a thug nigga on the corner? He has the chance to uplift our image in a more POSITIVE light but he doesnt he aint worried about us and our image he’s worried about padding his pockets even if it sets his own race back 50 years. Tyler if u reading this listen (them white folks are laughing at us not with us) u sellout.

Ok first of all lets not forget that ALL of Tyler Perry’s films/plays were built on the trials and tribulations of Christian Woman/Man living in a world drowning in sin..therefore u cannot necessarily compare him and his films to every other film and/or their directors because they are not all grounded and based on the same morals and values of Christians. With that he keeps in mind that younger audiences dont typically want to hear some long drawn out sermon so he does use the humor of madea to draw those audiences in so they can still hav the humor but also get a really good message. Ppl on here keep sayin oh there is too much church….HELLO thats the point he bases his movies on christian morals and values he is a Christian director who wants to speaks Gods word through theatre its the gift God gave him SO STOP BASHING HIM FOR USING IT!!!!!Second of all ppl must remember that he is in a business that only succeeds through the public. Therefore he can only make what “we the ppl OF THE MAJORITY” want and will buy/pay to see. Im almost positive that TP has been wanting to do something completely new and original but the fact of the matter is it takes money to make movies. He would be a fool to take the risk of possibly losing the entire empire that he has built just to make something new that we the public may not buy/pay to see. Until he has enough money and star power to try something new AND FAIL…BUT STILL be able to bounce back to redeem himself ppl should NOT be bashing him…because yall will end up being the same ppl to completely drag his good name through the mud just because his “new idea” to u was a dud…moral of the story if u don’t like it don’t go see it/watch it on tv on behalf of the rest of us TP KEEP DOING U, HATERS KEEP DOING YOUR JOB…(KEEP HATING)…GOD BLESS, PEACE!!!
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There are so many NON-SENSE movies out “WE” the public …(not me!!!!) as consumers buy non-sense…..when movies with a lot of actual meaning and substance are released “WE” ignore them to instead go see Scary Movie 1/2/3..etc, Dance Flick, Epic Movie, Knocked Up, Napoleon Dynamite, etc….or chose to instead watch Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons, Real Chance of Love, Real Housewives of (blah blah blah), Flavor of Love, etc….so DONT complain bout he’s not doing what “we” want while your paying to watch that junk….because i can certainly say his material has tons more substance than any of that non-sense!!!!

this is what i c spike so jealousy of u cause u r making us laugh to the point that Tyler have us crying , falling out of our seats. Tyler Ur a person just like spike lee it is not what what both of u do as celebrities it is what the public likes about to learn from,see,hear and laugh at Tyler Perry has his way of doing things n Spike lee has his way of doing things. spike stop hating cause Tyler is a multimillionaire and Tyler is doing his from the heart.

IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT FINDS NOTHING WRONG WITH TYLER PERRY’S TWO SHOWS, THEN DON’T EVEN BOTHER TO COMMENT. THE S**T HE DOES HAS SET BLACK PEOPLE BACK BY AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS, BUT I DO NOT HAVE ALL DAY TO SIT HERE AND LIST ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE PAINFULLY CLEAR TO ANY SEMI INTELLIGENT PERSON WHO HAS VIEWED A COUPLE OF HIS SHOW’S EPISODES. I CAN’T PLACE ALL THE BLAME ON MISS PERRY’S ULTRA-MINSTREL IDEAS WHEN 85% OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION BUYS INTO THE CRAP HE’S SO HAPHAZARDLY VEILING AS OUR CULTURE. UNTIL WE CAN BREAK THE PSYCHOLOGICAL CHAINS OF SUCH “OLD NEGRO” MENTALITIES, WE ARE DOOMED TO LIVE IN A WORLD FULL OF TYLER PERRYS, ONE THAT WILL REJECT THE PAUL ROBERSONS, RICHARD WRIGHTS, CORNELL WESTS, MALCOLM XS, JOHN HENRIK CLARKES, ASSATA SHAKURS, BETTY SHABAZZS, WEB DUBOIS’. DO YOU WANT OUR CHILDREN TO LEARN FROM THE EXAMPLES OF THE AFOREMENTIONED NAMES WHO WISHED ONLY TO HELP UPLIFT AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE, OR DO WE JUST WANT MORE TYLER PERRY’S WHO WISH TO MAKE US ALL LAUGH WITH COURT JESTER HUMOR AT THE SAD REALITY THAT IS THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE WITH THEIR CONTORTED VIEWS OF OUR PLIGHT?

I just had the chance to read other’s comments..it appears that black men are siding with Spike Lee more…interesting…Men when will we have our on mind…all that I see are you guys saying he dresses in drag, well I can attest that that is a bit out of the norm. But I personally see it for it’s shear artistic form…how can a man playing as a woman affect your pea-brain MOMAnized brains…this is laughable to me son…What about the topics covered, yes it is repetitive…but they are pertinent. A gay man, a trannie or Wendy Williams or Butch Lesbian cannot fx who you are BOY unless these emotions were in you form Jump Street. I hate it how we are so tough on the outside, with such a Muuushy core…Celebrate diversity within our people….West Coast don’t act like the NorthEast, South can’t talk… if you see a problem…call that individual over to the side…but your minds are so N****rized and Slavish, that you hate Your Brothers…and then we have that “Well they should Know better” or “It ain’t me”, You muthafukin slave…. Your dumb a.sses are only good as the next Black Man, despite what you got!! It don’t equal nothing…That’s why you can take the trashiest of the Pooor White trash, and fix it up with a suit and give that Mamal a bath and cut their hair…and put ya’ black a.ss with a degree and send both to an interview…who do you think will be hired….WE ARE THE DESTINY OF OUR CULTURE…PLEASE YOUR OWN CULTURE AND GET YOUR OWN CULTURAL SELF ESTEEM HIGH…AND THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO HATE….DON’T LIKE WHAT OTHER BLACK MEN TELL YOU ARE NICE…I.E. IF JZ SAYS IT THEN IT’S GOTTA BE RIGHT…NOW THAT MENTALITY ALLOWS THE YOUNGER MAILS TO BE SODOMIZED BY THESE SOCALLED FIGURE HEADS, GANG LEADER, OLD HEADS, OR WHAT HAVE YOU….WE NEED TO TEACH THE YOUNG TO BE INDIVIDUAL…NOT ALL OF US HAVE TO WEAR NO HAT, AND SAGGING PANTS…WE AS A CULTURE EXIST WITH SO MANY LIES, AS CHRIS ROCKS MOVIE SUGGESTS, PERMING THE HAIR, TO FAKE APPEAL KNOWN AS “SWAG”…MAN WE DON’T NEED THAT, WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH, BEAUTIFUL, BROWN TONE, SEXIEST BODIES, SMART PASSIONATE AND SOULFUL, LET’S REJOICE IN OUR BLACKSNESS AND STOP BEING SEPERATED…WE ARE THERE, WE JUST NEED TO BELIEVE THAT…SO DISGUSTED!!

LMFAO @ all these “christians” comparing Tyler Perry to Jesus.

To those who agree with spike lee you’re all ignorant as well. I can name a bunch of spike lee movies with stereo types so who can he point a finger at- no one. Tyler Perry’s movies are real because meet the browns for example comes strictly from the country if you follow me, i have browns in my country family but that’s not the point. The point is Tyler Perry came up so fast from theatre to movie screens and people just can’t seem to give a brotha his props well i do and bravo to you black man i’m proud of everything you do and everything you’ve done so keep up the good work. I’f nobody wants to step up to the plate and give you your props tyler i do congratulations on jobs well done to you and all your actors:) Don’t be a hater Spike Lee be a congratulator, criticism does’nt wear well on you brotha!

Well in my honest opinion I agree with Spike Lee wholeheartedly;in addition, the characters are portrayed in an undignified jokie manner,especially that MEET THE BROWNS. Furthermore, may I add that his comedy show is not funny,not in the least bit..It seems like the characters tries too hard to be funny but in the least bit,NOT..I have tried very hard to watch the shows but it put me to sleep,especially Meet the Browns..To sum it up its just corny..Now shows like Bernie Mack and Martin Lawerence kept me laughing so very hard..Now those shows are very Funny with a capital F.

Look 1st before we even get into this we need to understand the difference between hate and having an opinion! If I say I like coke and don’t like Pepsi it doesn’t make me a Pepsi hater it’s my preference. People like myself that side to Spike Lee sentiments aren’t necessarily haters. Although I’m sure are people that are. Hater to me is when you dislike someone or something without any good grounds on purpose to stand on.

I don’t like Tyler Perry’s films or sitcoms because it’s entertainment that appeals to the lowest denominator. The movies air our dirty laundry. You don’t see white people showing the worst parts of there society the closes you got to that was “Roseanne”, you don’t see them showing white trash, the pedophiles in the Catholic Church none of that, the cultist and serial killers get glorified and ice over in there movies. Asians the same thing you don’t really see the human slave trade that happens in different parts of Asia with young girls etc… The Indian Caste System was so strong that even now here in the U.S. and in India they still treat people a certain way based on appearance because they can tell there linage but none of those things are brought to the forefront.

Tyler Perry shows the worst parts of our culture and his constant need to dawn a dress is beyond me. It’s one thing when a character like Martin’s Big Mama who is suppose to be a man dress as a woman undercover but Madea is suppose to be a woman why not just get an older black woman to play the role…

skillz_1

Is right his biggest supporters seem to be black women for whatever reason. But why most can’t see or take it as a personal attack on them when yo speak on Perry’s work is beyond me. Although even though some of the blacks exploitation characters he mention are very strong I wouldn’t say Black Caesar, Dolemite were positive roles although good movies for there time.

I think Spike over shoots his message in some of his movies or tries to hit to many issues in one movie “She Hate Me” is a perfect example he tried to deal with being on the down-low, diabetes, cheating, racial inequality at work, and multiple babies by different mothers in one movie that’s to much he should have picked one to two subjects and focus on them. Instead the movie was all over the place.

So while Spike’s movies fall short at times there drive is to educate and entertain. While Perry’s goal seems to be entertain and turn a profit and now and then he’ll through out a somewhat positive movie where he dogs out are people once again and then somewhere along the line he throws in a 10min turn around point in the characters life.

We have to start asking ourselves a what cost are we willing to support this kind of entertainment not just in movies but in radio as well. Things aren’t looking well if this is what the majority of our people want to see I got to pack up my family when I have one and move overseas because the future is not bright for this lost generation…

If Kelsey Grammer would have produced those shows. We all would be screaming bloody murder! Take Perry’s series, and compared them to Grammer’s shows. One black has us looking like fools, and the white made series. Actually paint us in a normal human light.

If you don’t know what I’m talking about. The Game and Girlfriends are years ahead in quality to Meet The Browns.

NO, SPIKE THE CRICKET IS WRONG, WRONG,WRONG..YOU DON’T DO ANOTHER BLK LIKE THAT…HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED HIM AND KEPT IT PRIVATE, NOT EXPLOIT…HE IS THE COONERY!! HOW CAN YOU DARE AGREE WITH THIS TYPE OF CRAP IN OUR CULTURE..IT’S SELLOUTISH AND UNCLE TOMISH OF SPIKE TO PUT ANOTHER BRO’ ON BLAST YO”

i respect perry because he made something out of nothing but I’ve watch enough of his work to say coonery is coonery and he got rich off of it. it is what it is.

I SEE ALOT OF PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT ON HERE! IS IT HATING TO HAVE AN OPINION? SO I GUESS SINCE WE DONT LIKE HILTER WE ARE HATING ON HIM HUH? WERE HATING ON OSOMA BIN LADEN BECAUSE WE DONT AGREE WITH HIS VIEWS? ITS NOT THE FACT THAT HE IS DRESSING IN DRAG THAT BOTHERS PEOPLE, ITS THE FACT THAT HIS ONLY SUCCESSFUL CHARECTER IS CONSTENLY RECYCLED IN ALL HIS MOVIES AND SHOWS THAT ARE WRITTEN BADELY! THIS IS NOT ABOUT PULLING A BLACK MEN DOWN, BUT HIS MOVIES AND PLAYS ARE TRASH! HE POTRAYS US TO BE OBESSE, GHETTO, AND LOUD! AND THE SAD PART IS THAT ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY! THE PEOPLE THAT WATCH HIS SHOWS MUST NOT LIKE WELL WRITTEN TV AND MOVIES. WE NEED TO STOP SUPPORTING HIM JUST BECAUSE HES BLACK AND WERE BLACK.

It’s so sad that yet again we show our lack of support for one another. Here is a black man doing well in his life and his community. They are so busy hating that they can’t even see the message in very movi and tv show that tyler perry does. While everyone is taking God out of every aspect of life from schools to public buildings he injects it in everything that he does. Yes he makes a joke as he touches on real life situation, but if you don’t have an over the top relitive or family friend then you are missing something special in life. There the ones who make you laugh on you sick bed and for a second make you forgot the death but remember the life. His characters are all about family something we as black people use to know about. To hear someone like spike lee who i respected not show respect for another black producer i think is very sad.

Predictable that the majority of men side with Spike Lee, while the majority of women side with Perry (since the majority of his audiences are 75%). Yeah, I admire him for his ability to turn a buck, but ANY prostitute can make a buck if you’re willing to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Men in drag have never been entertaining to me personally. I’ve watched his movies, and to me, its the same thing as the other negative imagery that black people pimp of ourselves to make a buck. You can’t get mad at Imus when he calls black women “Nappy-headed h*es,” when we call ourselves worse and make ourselves look bad just to make a dollar. Hell, thats not a “talent;” ANYBODY can do THAT!

JODECI….sry to break it to u but “The Game” and “Girlfriends” were stereotypical as well….”The Game”- how bout the fact that it is said that sports (and music) are the only thing(s) black men are good at and “Girlfriends”-lets see…theres the successful one that cant find a man=JOAN/ the ghetto one that got pregnant @ a young age=MYA/ the homeless moocher=LYNN, and the gold digger who only likes light skinned men=TONY…..SOOOO U WERE SAYING!!!!?!?!?!?

For those who don’t like TP DON’T WATCH HIS MOVIES OR SITCOMS!!! Was that simple enough for you??? At the end of the day all you have is a bunch of BASELESS, STEREOTYPICAL, NARROWMINDED rantings to base your dislike for Tyler Perry on. It sounds like the one’s who advocate this IGNORANCE that Spike Lee is spewing has never watched any of his film anyways so does it matter? He is still a SELF-MADE MILLIONAIRE with or without your support. Most of his success has been generated by the “white dollar”. Please don’t get it twisted. When I went to the premiere of “Diary of a Mad Black Woman” and also “Madea’s family reunion” there was an influx of white people in the theaters (among other races). He offers DIVERSITY and that is something Spike Lee has not brought to the plate and hence explains his lack of success over the years in the box office. All Spike Lee is on this “power to the people” vibe but always borderline black supremacy. Only a small percentage of people can watch and appreciate that. I loved School Dayze but would a 10 year old child or an middle-aged white American be able to enjoy that movie??? Probably not. It is what it is! Most of you who are jumping on the Spike Lee bandwagon have only viewed a few of his movies and know only what you have HEARD about him so get off it. Truth be told I support both directors and so should you all. Conquer and divide…that’s the objective. Sad thing is we are eliminating the middle man (the white man) and doing it to OURSELVES (smh).

I did like his movies Why did I get married and Daddy’s Little girls..However,Tyler Perry should not even be mention in the same sentence with Jesus Christ..Comparing Tyler Perry to Jesus Christ is ludicrous&ridiculious..Jesus Christ is Love,Peace,uplifting,upbuilding,and encouraging.Jesus is not about grand ma carrying&shooting pistols,destroying personal properties,quoting God’s words wrong,beating children,and promoting verbal abuse..

LOVER_GIRL those things are not of God but thats the point…Christians put up wit those things because we live in a world where there are more things going against Gods word than there are things that uphold it…his movies/plays are all about dealing wit those things because right or wrong its FACT that those ppl exist!!!And part of being a Christian is learning how to deal with those who are not

Man f**k Spike Lee he jus mad cuz he aint a hit nd baller like tyler perry. aint nothing wrong with wut he is doin because the bigger picture is he always has a lesson for us as african americans to break out the downward spiral we have been in for so long. plus every BLACK family has sum1 in our fam that reminds us of one of the characters in sum way thats how he is reaching us by using our fam or personal life. so F**K that comment Spike Lee made cuz he aint sayin that bout baby boy or atl or Jesse Jackson nd Al Sharptin doin all that rymin nd dimin nd s**t. so stop hatin Spike

Damn i guess if u have your own opinion u a hater huh. Making millions is not a good enough reason for Tyler Perry to sell his own race out. But to some of u it is and that sadly is the reason we r where we are today. They dont have to keep us down we are doing a good job of that on our own and for what, some money. U can always make more bread but its hard to get your dignity back. And if u think Spike is hatin on Tyler because of the bread tylers making u crazy. Spike been rich for along time and still got millions, this aint about money people this is about image and we NEED more POSITIVE ones in order for all of us to progress.

I have to say that there is an over the top stereotypical bent to Tyler Perry’s characterizations in some aspects that can be uncomfortable to those of us who have become so used to exposing our thin skin! Tyler puts out product that hits hard and has a real & positive message while poking fun at very real aspects of African American lives. While the depiction is over the top (& I for one am not into the whole drag thing) we are missing the “Madea” matronly disciplinarian in our children’s lives nowadays, while still missing on a whole the badly needed male role model i.e. FATHERS!!! I hesitate to call out brother Spike as a hater but at the same time I feel that his calling out Tyler in the media is more of a ploy at getting attention than a true concern about how “we” are being depicted by one of our own Why did he not feel a need to call the man and speak with him personally on his views/depictions? Was it really necessary to speak out in the media. Does this not play into the hands of those who truly profit in seeing us divided as a people? Food for thought!! Message to Spike: “You dont like what the brothers doing? How about showing him how it’s done?”

@ emuied, I couldn’t have said it better!!!

To me Tp’s best movies were the ones he did not dress like a woman…why the Hell do we as black have to dress up as a woman.That is degrading to me.it says we are not good enought to be as we are on tv or in the movies.And to you ladies who say we are hating on TP..let your man come home in a dress and then lets see what you say and how you feel about it.Spike has never conformed to the hollywood way,all his movies have a message that we as black people forget.Spike was never driven by money if he was we would be watching him act like a coon too.So anyone on here putting down Spike you need a visit from “The Drop Squad” spike has always had our backs.and he opened the door for TP and other African American directors.So Spike has the right to check him!

NOBODYS HATING ON TYLER PERRY AS FAR AS HIM BEING SUCCESSFUL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MESSAGE IN HIS MOVIES AND SHOWS. THE FACT THAT HE BASHES (MANLEY DARK SKINNED) AFRICAN AMERICANS, PAINTS US TO BE IGNORANT, FAT AND ANNOYING BUT PUTS THE GOD MESSAGE IN THERE IS IN ITS SELF TO BE HYPROCRITICALL. WHY IS IT THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF WOMEN ON HERE ARE SUPPORTING HIM? OH MAYBE BECAUSE HE MAKES BLACK MEN LOOK BAD AND BLACK WOMEN TO BE VICTIMS! I BET U CAN NAME TO MANY OF HIS MOVIS WHEN HE IS NOT MAKING BLACK MEN LOOK BAD!!!

@ emuied…..AGREED!!!

I’m not against tp, actuall i wish their were more positive movies highligting religion in the aa family. but it’s getting to be the same ole story line. i find the sitcoms to be boring, and being from new orleans i wonder why he shuns the n.o. soo much. i listen to the radio out here in the atl and i hear atlanta’s own tp all the time. i hope my man gets more creative and stop doing the same thing over and over again

Ok,I had to reply to this story when I read the previous posts from the majority WOMEN defending Tyler Perry and calling Spike ignorant. Im disgusted at how many females on here could spout so many non-intelligent thoughts simply because the females just dont get what Spike is saying, as well as the very ignorant things the females have said in Tyler’s defense. Number one, Spike is not jealous of Tyler’s success if thats what you call it. I agree with Lee because Perry does make an absolute FOOL out of black people as a whole in his movies/plays. Yes, both directors/producers (perry and lee) use multitudes of black stereotypes, but the difference in the two is, Spike points them out as flaws in our community that need to be changed, where as Perry just uses them to get a joke, make a fool out of us. Spike addresses issues, real issues within our community,race, history and his movies ALWAYS have a great message that can appeal to black people in general.

I do NOT appreciate the way Perry ONLY points out the FLAWS that DARK SKIN black males have, which ALL PEOPLE have the same exact flaws in some way or another no matter what the race or skin tone. He makes black women out to be the weak victims in EVERY play. “Oh hes cheating on her, oh hes beating her, oh she cant find a good man”…blah blah blah. BLACK WOMEN should be appauled at the way Perry sticks OUR black men in a box due to experiences of SOME…not ALL. How do you FEMALES appreciate Perry when his basis is the degredation,belittling,beravement of black men? oops my fault DARK BLACK MEN.

Any one of you that supports Perry’s plays/movies for content,depth or truth are absolutely out of your minds! I for one do NOT agree with or support Perry, because I dont feel that he represents ME as a black person. Nothing in his plays are relatable to my life, and the fact that you supposed christians feel that he’s doing good work because he puts ‘God’ or a gospel song before and after every take/act or scene are brain diluted. Open your eyes and see what Perry does for what it is…He’s taking the EASIEST road to success, the jokes, the flaws, the low points,the stereotypes and the embarrassment of black people. It’s easy to represent someone/something as foolish, but its hard as he*ll to put forth the effort to bring the good, the intelligence and capital of black people to light. Perry takes the easy road…NO respect, I am NOT impressed with his COONERY/BAFOONERY.

whew!!! This is a mess!!! 1st Madea…just means Mother Dear…and as we all know…Mama or Big Mama runs prevalently in MOST of the African American Homes…Because DADDY AINT THERE for whatever reason!! Lets see hes mostly in the prison system….out druggin…or with another chick instead of bein at home bein responsible and DOIN THE RIGHT THING…(Spike Lee Movie). For some odd reason we seem to be missin the message behind TPs movies…sooo let me reiterate a lil bit here….DRUGS…..Hmmmm REAL….DOMESTIC VIOLENCE…hmmm REAL….SEXUAL ABUSE/MOLESTATION…REAL..TEEN PREGNANCY…REAL…BEING NOT MARRIED….Hmmmm VERY REAL…PROSTITUTION/PIMPS…REAL….HOLD UP…MOM…AND GRAMMY taking care of kids becuase we are too trifling to do it ourselves…UHOH….REEEEEEEEAL!!! TP brings all of this to the forefront in a real and loving way….he brings redemption full circle. He shows us that its okay to talk about these issues without being ashamed…How many of you have been told that what goes in Your house aint nobody elses business?? Well guess what…If Im getting my ass kicked day in and day out…or Im getiin raped or sodomized by uncle junebug Id better MAKE it somebody elses business!! Yalll are sitting around criticizing this man when all he is doing is showing us just how sick emotionally OUR COMMUNITY truly is…the fact is WE NEED HELP YALL!!! We need to be able to know that its okay to cry….let out our REAL feelings…and steer out of the remnants OF FEAR….RAGE….HATE….ANGER…etc….yall better watch these watch these movies right and grasp its entirety….You may not like the charictures that u see on the screen…but what lies underneath is REAL TALK!!! Like Spike said in SCHOOLDAZE…..WAKE UP!!!! What we need to remember is that there is room for Spike and Tyler…instead of Spike spreading division…he needs to be standing side by side with his brother in a warm handshake and a hug saying welcome to the club…not trying to get us all to pit one against the other….SELF…LUV…SELF AWARENESS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT YALL!!!

If Spike Lee clearly defined the terms “coonery” and “bafoonery”, then he would have to use phrases and names like “Uncle Tom”, “Step and Fetch it”, and “Sell out”. These names depict a person who is willing subordinate, dummy down himself and his people to the dominate culture for preferred favor, fame, or fortune. In that effort characters are over the top ridiculous, simpleminded, and clownish. True it is all relative but I challenge anyone to find a white, latin, asian, Jewish, Muslim, or any other culture or race to match the absurd behavior of Tyler Perry’s TV show characters.

The lesson not learned. When you allow a culture other than your own to define you as less than you are, then it becomes easy for all cultures and races, and ethinicities to declare any and all misrepresentations about you as fact. Why should you care and when? When your people are at the wrong end of deadly force from law enforcement, in the sentencing phase of a trial, in an interview, in need of emergency care, requesting a business loan, home loan, or entrance into grad school. If you have been portrayed as possessing less value than any other group then nobody is concerned with you or the outcomes that have to do with you or yours. Dangerous! Ask any group of people that has survived an attempt at genocide.

Spike Lee is scratching his head about that fact that it is happening now and being spearheaded by a black man.

Finally, if a white racist organization promoted the same material without any changes, would it be as funny? Would underrepresented black people get the same messages from the sub-plot that Tyler Perry suggests happens? I think not.

Go find some PE and listen closely

Yall tripin now, god aint got notihng to do with this. We should leave the lord out of this discusion 4 real.

Tyler Perry movies are not “diversity.” What does Spike have to be “hatin’” about? Yeah, he probably has more money than Spike Lee, but dollars don’t mean talent…it means people will but and watch anything…just look at reality TV. Lee’s movies have far and away more critial acclaim than ANY Tyler Perry movie. That’s not “hating,” thats a statement of fact. Wake me up when a Tyler Perry pplay is nominated for a Tony, or his movies are nominated for a Academy Award, even even a Golden Globe…I’ll be the first to eat my words then. Until then, Spike Lee, continue to make art…and let Tyler Perry count his money (just like Step-n-Fetchit did). ;)

I thought the word “hater” went out in 2001…Anyway, if turning a profit is all it takes to get respect, I gotta wonder why some of y’all don’t just sell your kids to them catholic priests and make that money…

@lucky-lou…how can you say God has nothing to do with this when thats all Perry can think of to clean up that HOTGARBAGE he puts on stage/film/TV? He runs HOURS of trash, then sings a gospel song at the end to proportedly solve everyone’s problems and we all go home…YAY!!! NOT! atleast Spike keeps it all the way real in his productions and everyone does not end in abject love/honor/ with a big hug and a kiss! Perry AND HIS FANS are FOOLISH if they think thats how things in life really operate or are supposed to…

I say Spike is hatin because he didnt open his mouth when things lyk Dance Flick/Scary Movie 1,2,3,etc/Flavor of Love/For the Love of Ray J/ Real Chance of Love/New York 1& 2 or New York Goes to work came out…no he decides to go after TP who doesnt promote sex/drugs/partying…..while the men/women on these shows are on tv acting like they dont have any kind of home training!!!!

For you narrow minded ignorant individuals who think TP is male bashing you OBVIOUSLY have not watched ALL of his movies in it’s entirety and just hoppi’ on this “bandwagon of bullsh!t” (smh)!!! In “Why did I get married” ALL OF THE MEN in this film were successful men and were portrayed to be loving husbands to their wives. To be honest it was the women who were dealing with issues and such with the exception of Jill Scott’s character. However, you not discussing the doctor’s and lawyers he had these characters portraying because it would only contradict your argument. Ahhh damn!!! Oh I am not done, on the movie “Daddy’s little girl” you got a DARK SKINNED SINGLE FATHER (what you say?!?) who was dealing with the struggles of being a single father. Still not done….on the “The Family that Preys” Sanaa Latha was the villain (and she is a FEMALE…how about that?) while her husband was the loving, affectionist and FAITHFUL husband. Of course you ANTI-TP bloggers wouldn’t know that because you have BASELESS arguments surrounded by what you heard and not by actually viewing his movies in their ENTIRETY. So with that being said I guess you can go jump back on the “anti-Madea & Mr. Brown” wagon because you can’t say he portrays black men (or DARK SKINNED black men) in negative light because that is complete bulls#!t that you can eat!!!

WOW! Im starting the get the hate notes from the females…LOL…Im extremely appauled at how many FEMALES support Perry and NONE of them as far as ive seen have given good reason for it…Ladies..actually stop and watch, PAY ATTENTION to what Tyler Perry IS NOT saying in his productions…He’s not telling a real/fresh story, he’s making us look bad, then throwing in an old drag queen character to make you laugh. Are you really dumb enough to fall for that? Can the Madea jokes really curtail(hide) what hes really doing?? OR is Madea enough for you to NOT feel a little angered at how silly he makes black people look?

ON THE REAL TYLER PERRYS MOVIES ARE DIVISIVE, MAN VS WOMEN, DARK VS LIGHT U GUYS CANT SEE THAT IN HIS MOVIS? YES ABUSE IS HAPPING IN THE BLACK HOUSE HOLD BUT ITS HAPPING IN EVERY RACES HOUSE HOLD! IF UR LOOKING FOR A MOVIE THAT TOUCHES ON REAL ISSUES TRY MALCOLM X, DO THE RIGHT THING EVEN BAMBOLZED IF CANT GET THE MESSAGE IN THOSE MOVIES BUT ALSO CANT SEE WHATS WRONG WITH TYLERS U R ALREADY LOST!!!!

CaliFemme23…..those happy endings are supposed to be motivation fro those who are struggling in their Christian walk or just life in general…it’s a message for those ppl to keep hanging in there because their blessing is coming u can do it…u can make it just have faith

califemme23 i agree, useing religon to push his bulls..t is shamefull but i was talkin about some of the people commenting using the lord name in vain thats just wrong. Im with u miss lady I dont mess with Perry.

@shamel_ Ummm, YOU just made a few of my points for me…Yes you are right, Perry did put the dark skin single father in DADDY’s….BUT thats my point! Why is it, the ONE time the dark skin guy is the good guy, hes not a doctor or lawyer with that bomb job/career, and a good wife etc….He’s STRUGGLING to raise his children by himself!! Thank you sweetie you made my point for me! Perry once again did NOT put the DARK SKIN BLACK MAN in the BEST light possible for a black man!

@lucky-lou…my apologies babe, I admit I missunderstood your meaning of your second to last post….my fault…:D

CaliFemme23…uh hello Diary of a mad black woman….he was dark and did have a nice job/career and wife…he jus abused it then learned to appreciated but by the time he did it was to late

Califemme23…I agree. Just because u pepper religious songs throughout a movie , dosent make it good. All his movies have basically the same theme, just change characters. Lost woman, good man under her nose that she cant see, trust in your religion and everything works out. The tv shows I cant watch, too much buffoonery for me to stomach. Never made it through an episode. And tha word HATERS, people please arent we supposed to be individuals. Not Everyone likes everything. Get real people

@baby_01_grl….my fault, let me get out this discussion since Perry’s movies are aimed at those struggling in thier ‘christian walk’…He can give the message of ‘have faith’ all he wants to…BUT at the same time, he needs to KEEP IT REAL! He’s attempting to send the have faith message etc…well why doesnt he attempt to show US in a different light? A positive light? Why is it when other races make jokes about US as black people we want to go on Larry King and Jay Leno and complain to Al Sharpton..but one of our OWN is doing it and you guys are calling it comedy??? Doesnt seem very ‘christian’ like to me….

@ CaliFemme23, being a GOOD PARENT is the hardest yet MOST REWARDING “role” that any parent can take on. If you don’t think that he was being portrayed in a good light by being an AMAZING father of 3 beautiful little girls than you are lost. I am a single mother and I take pride in raising my son. That is yet my BEST ACCOMPLISHMENT yet. You can hang all the degrees you want on the wall and put a Doctor in front of your name but to know that you raised a child with your blood, sweat and tears and made them something is a beautiful thing. If you thought his role is mediocre you are waaaaaaaay off base!!! I guess that supports YOUR argument that you are not a TP FAN and you go right ahead and not be. At the end of the day he has a huge fan base and much success and you can add yourself to the roster of blacks who criticize and sit on the sidelines spewing negativity but do not make any positive or profound contributions to society yourselves (smh)! We can agree to disagree on that one….

@baby_01_grl..thank you too dear…you made my point AGAIN for me…The dark man had the nice wife etc…BUT HE ABUSED IT AND DIDNT REALIZE IT UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE!! Nuff Said…

For the ppl who say he’s not genuine in using christian influences in his movies obviously never saw all of is plays..or kno the history of his career…this man started out with absolutely nothing putting on plays here and there the only way he got out was through bootleg now tell me if he wasn’t genuine in his Christian faith y would he have gone out of his way to keep producing Christian driven plays…..It’s soooo much easier to break into show-biz doing worldly shows but he continued to do it that way because he wasn’t going to settle for what they wanted him to do…he wanted to do it the right way in Gods eyes which is ALWAYS the harder road to take

@Shamel_ First of all my dear, dont say that I dont make any contributions to society …because you do NOT know me…im not in the media spotlight for everyone to critique and or see like Perry is..and second I have children too and yes it is a great job and very rewarding…my point was..the ONE dark black man in his movie was the good guy, but he wasnt the ‘got it goin on light skin guy’ he usually portrays…with the great career etc…and while you talkin ms lady…I do make great contributions to society…its called graduated from college in 2006 with a degree in healthcare services admin…NOT runnin around drinking, smokin embarrassing myself in society like many others…so next time, step to the side and ask me those kinds of facts first, before you once again stand in the forefront spewing that STUPIDITY like ya boy Perry…

CaliFemme23…u know what’s funny either way TP cant win @ all wit you because you will always complain because The Paynes are a fully functional family and there aren’t any men portrayed badly there in fact its CJ’s wife who is really depicted badly but u don’t like that so he switches the story-line up in his movies and you still complain!!!

THE SHOW HOUSE OF PAIN THEY MAY BE MIDDLE CLASS BUT THE STEROYTYPES ARE THERE, THEY PARENTS ARE OBESSE, THEY ARE LOUD, AND ALSO IGNORANT. CAN U DENY THOSE THINGS? ARE THOSE NOT EQUALLY DEGARDING? AND ALSO ISNT ONE OF THE SONS BABY MAMA A CRACK HEAD?

@CaliFemme23 did I strike a nerve luv??? Ooooh, somebody mad! I am educated,successful, “AND” do volunteer work in my community WITH my son. I am a firm believer in giving back to my community and not “talking the talk” but WALKING THE WALK!!! The point I was making is don’t be the problem but the solution!!! If it didn’t apply to you no room to repond. I ignore a lot of dumb s#!t I read on hear because it doesn’t pertain to me *shrugging my shoulders*. I won’t resort to name calling because I have far too much class for that. Not to mention the fact I couldn’t be stupid on my WORST day–HAHAHA!!! If you are getting that defensive and hostile about things maybe you need to log off for a while & chiiiilllll. It will never be that serious. Unfortunately none of your remarks offended me to the degree of name calling and since you are so educated you would know how to “agree to disagree” and keep it pushing—->>>. Be Blessed ;) .

Pantherg08…first of all i dont consider black parents being obese a stereotype…i don’t think so but to each his own…umm but just to clarify Califemme23 was referring to MEN in TP’s work always being broke or abusive so that is y i used House of Payne as an example

Oh and Pantherg08….so what if they are loud they do those things within the walls of their own home (unlike the ppl on reality shows yelling and fighting in the streets) and i get loud in my house….so what…and as far as them being ignorant obviously they are not especially the men they are house full of FIREMEN!!!!!

@ baby_01_grl, make sure you watch 60 minutes tomorrow (I have my DVR set). I am sure during his interview he will bring to light a bunch of misconceptions that have been played throughout society regarding his film (smh)! Not sure if you saw “Black In America 2″ on CNN but he discussed some of that then as well. When you have reached are certain pinnacle of success as a black man this comes with it.

IM STILL TRIPPING OFF SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT TYLER PERRY AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT SPIKE LEE THINK ABOUT-MARTIN L,EDDIE M,WILL S,RED FOXX,JAMIE F,ICE CUBE,SNOOP DOGG,AND DAVE CHAPPELLE? THOSE SHOES ARE SOME WHAT LIKE TYLER PERRY AND THEY ARE FUNNY AND DO HAVE SOME MEANING TO EVERYDAY LIFE…JUST LIKE TYLER PERRY MOVIES AND PLAYS.

I don’t understand why people are getting upset by Tyler Perry dressing in drag and his gay undertones in movies. First of all, he is portraying a woman (not a man in drag). It’s a character. No one questioned Tootsie or Mrs. Doubtfire, Eddie Murphy in Norbit or even Martin as She-ne-ne. And guess what? There are gay black people. Then people are complaining about too many dark-skinned and fat people in his movies. If there were only light-skinned, skinny people that would be a problem too. As far as people feeling they are not being personally represented…Get over it! We are all different (looks, personalities, etc) Just because he used a bus driver instead of a mail man, don’t get pissed because you feel you weren’t represented. Tyler Perry should not be a role model for you or your children. I am a mother of one and teach my child, along with my husband, right from wrong and not to believe everything she sees on tv. Spike Lee does not have experience in television comedy and if he or anyone else doesn’t like it, don’t watch or come with something “better”. It’s a free country.

cvalrie17, I am giving you a “STANDING O” right now (lol)! I left this exact comment a couple pages ago but NO ONE responded. I wonder why?!? As long as Robin Williams played Mrs. Doubtfire and John Ritter (RIP) dressed in drag on Three’s Company it was ok. Oh, and we loved the Klumps. However, TP has reached a high level of success and with that comes the criticism, naysayers, negativity and degradation! It is the name of the game. I love my blacks I just wish everyone loved and embraced each other more. We would have way more successess and a lot less failures!!!

@ Shamel….I completely agree and its really sad that when one of our own gets ahead “WE” are the ones that shoot them down another example Obama the first thing out of a lot of ppl’s mouth “oh he’s NOT black” then whites start singing the same song…”WE” are the ones that give them a leg to stand on…it’s funny how white ppl never do that to there own tho…***food for thought****

Hollywood Shuffle should be required watching for some of you bamboozled women comparing Tyler Perry to Jesus Christ.

I am one who disagree with Tyler Perry’s depiction of Black people! He have his characters act’n a total fool on his shows as though they have no knowledge or education! This is the type of s**t that White folks want to see! They wanna see us struggle, they wanna see us act a fool! Tyler need to make a show that’s more positive! Than he always singn the same damn song in every movie! My man Left me, he beat me, I’m on drugs, I need love etc! He know he need to stop! Black people need to look positive for a change! The reason why White people love him so much is because, he show’n them what they wanna see! Now Spike Lee has the right to say what he said because, he does make movies most of the time that shows the positive side to us! His movies have meaning!

I agree with Eolufemi..and @ Shamel_, no one called you a name, I implied that you spew stupidity like your savior tyler perry…just as you implied me spewing negativity like spike lee does. And I only responded that way becasue you made a statement without even knowing me.. I too also volunteer in this community and im not even from here..Boys and Girls club if you want specifics before you judge me AGAIN and WRONGFULLY so. I am fine with disagreements, we are all different and feel different, but this is an OPEN forum, if I dont agree with the foolishness of Perry, so be it, but that didnt give YOU the right to A*SSume that I do nothing in my own part of the world. Which you did A*SSume. This site, the people nor any other can make me mad or angry..its JUST words, thoughts. I can handle that. No I didnt need to logoff to cool down or whatever you think, because no human on this earth ESPECIALLY a mere female can determine my mood. Im just surprised at how many females worship Perry and his embarrassments to the black public…I stoutly agree with the majority of the men on here..Maybe my man is right when he says the majority of men these days are smarter and more informed and aware than MOST of the females of today…And trust me, you dont have to respond to this post either, since you say none of it applies to you anyway sweetie…go ahead and ‘shrug your shoulders’…

<——-standing up applauding 'toodelicious4u'..I thought I was the ONLY woman that can recognize the ridiculous way in which Perry depicts us. Reality shows DO NOT apply to this topic because that is the direct embarrassment of thsoe people individually. If they want to do that to themselves then fine…BUT Perry puts it out there as black as a whole entity. He claims he reperesents homes,people,lives, family of blacks everywhere..and he doesnt…THANK YOU GIRL!!! im not the only one! It surprises me the way MOST females of today are not informed enough about our culture in the media and the undertone of which we are presented in..

@Eolufemi….i cant speak for anyone else but i know i was not comparing TP to Jesus Christ because everyone on this measly little planet pales in comparison but i was merely commending him for trying send/speak positive Christian messages and influences into our communities through entertainment because its more than obvious that we need it more that this reality show garbage.

@Eolufemi….i cant speak for anyone else but i know i was not comparing TP to Jesus Christ because everyone on this measly little planet pales in comparison but i was merely commending him for trying send/speak positive Christian messages and influences into our communities through entertainment because its more than obvious that we need it more that this reality show garbage.

lol…sry i just meant to post that once…my bad…lol

Reality shows are NOT in the same genre as TP movies/plays..reality shows are supposedly REAL people doing their thing…TP has the POWER to depict black people however he chooses to…and he chooses to depict in the WORST way. Why do people keep throwing in reality shows? They are not paid to act so to speak..they are paid to proportedly be themselves..

And I most def agree with all of CaliFemme23 points!

<——–standing applauding 'toodelicious4u'…THANK YOU GIRL for seeing the light like the rest of us in regards to 'Uncle' Perry…I thought I was the only female that recognized how stupid and ridiculous his 'work' really is…

CaliFemme23…ok lets leave that out then how about movies like Dance Flick/White Chicks/Scary Movie 1,2, & 3/Epic Movie/Friday/Friday After Next/First Sunday???…they are all non-sense!!! but guess what “WE(the ppl)” BOUGHT IT!!!!

Thank you @toodelicious4u…now there are TWO women in here who can actually SEE what mistakes Perry makes as opposed to just laughing like entertained children at the BS..

@baby_01_grl. No, I did not like ANY of the ‘friday’ movies, or white chicks, never seen dance flick or ANY of the ‘scary’ movies parodies. Didnt want to, doesnt appeal to someone like me. I dont like to see black people look bad, period. Ill put it like this..we do it good enough all by ourselves..we dont need someone putting it out there as if it represents all of us…

@ baby_01_grl, those movies were “deemed” accepable because Tyler Perry didn’t write,produce or star in them (lol)! Just like ALL the movies that “cvalrie17″ mentioned. You noticed NO ONE responded to her comment??? I am still laughing at those who think Madea and Mr. Brown are stars in all his film and that the premise of all his movies are comedy (smh)!!! WOW! People take “one” element of his productions and run with it but not look at his work in it’s TOTALITY. Tunnel vision at it’s best! *still laughing*

“Meet The Browns” and “The Paynes” may be ‘entertainment’ for some people, it isn’t for me. It is nothing more than making fools out of ourselves. I agree with Mr. Lee. We’ve been there and done that because we had to, “Amos and Andy,” “Sanford and Son,” “That’s My Mama,” etc.

I don’t mean we need to have shows like the Utopia “Cosby Show” because we all know that wasn’t real to a degree. I mean, a black doctor and his lawyer wife live in a ritzy NY suburb and their kids are NEVER accosted by the cops? Please.

But what I do mean is that we can have a dose of reality without being silly.

And for the record, I’m a female and I don’t follow the sheep watching everything that Tyler Perry does. I want to be entertained intelligently not marginalized.

Black folk amaze me at times. The fact that they mainly want to ‘laugh’ makes TP oh so acceptable…But why is it when someone like Spike Lee points his finger at the culture itself, puts a mirror to our faces we call it negativity? So because Perry gives everyone a big ole’ hug at the end of his movies and does the electric slide after 2 hours of gospel songs on stage, the hundred and one horrible mistakes he has made in the creation of house of payne and meet the browns is perfectly acceptable as long as he made YOU all laugh?? WOW!

@CaliFemme23… well just to let you know some of the ppl supporting you/your arguments in bashing TP’s movies for “coonery” are the same ppl who paid to go see all/some/most of those movies and probably even own some of them…and that my friends is what you call a paradox.

NewsOne, Black America Script and Wemeetonline are all Black based internet news sites..and they have all dubbed Perry “The King of Coonery” for a reason.. Like my grandmother used to say…”If more than one person says it, must be some truth to it”…

@baby_01_grl..No I cant believe that all the people that agree with TP being the king of coonery own or viewed the movies YOU previously mentioned, thats too big of a categorization about people on here that I dont even know as well as the fact that you dont know them either. And no, thats not what you call a paradox…its what you call being judgemental to a bunch of strangers…lol. So until you take a survey of the movies you listed as to who has seen them and who hasnt…you shouldnt generalize like that. Which is why when I dont have FACTS on someone, I dont speak on them…

And on that note, im done with this forum…im going to go find toodelicious4u and pantherg08 and pat them on the back for not buying into the consistent BS that Perry puts out just because so many people find him so very funny…Deuces and Peace to you all…I would say Jesus loves you…but Christianity is also VERY OVERRATED…

CaliFemme23…umm excuse me there are a whole lot of ppl who say the world is going to end in 2012 or that there is no God or that racism is doing right by God…just because a lot of ppl say it DOES NOT make it true

CaliFemme23….just to clarify I said SOME of the ppl…NOT all

FROM THE WAY I SEE IT HE MANAGES TO KEEP GOD IN ALL THAT HE DOES.HE DEVELOPS A CONCEPT OF NO MATTER WHAT FAULTS A PERSON HAS IN THEIR LIVES THEY CAN BE OVERCOME EVEN SOME BLACK PEOPLE ARE SUCCESFUL SOME STILL HAVE IGNORANCE THEY WANT TO BE NOTICE LEAVE A LEGACY OR FAME AND FORTUNE DEFINES WHO THEY R. PEOPLE R PURE DIRT GIVEN LIFE BY gOD AND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR DAY YOUR LIFE CAN BE TAKEN AND YOUR POSITIVE ROLE MODEL AND MONEY AND EDUCATION WILL NOT GET YOU A BARGIN INTO HEAVEN.WHAT IS POTRAYED IN HIS MOVIES ARE REAL HERE IN LIFE A LONG TIME AGO BLACKS WERE NOT ALLOWED AN EDUCATION BUT THANK GOD FOR CHANGE. DONT BE SO OFFENDED BY TRUTH BUT IT IS SHARED IN ALL GENERATIONS BUT IT IS AFRICAN AMERICANS CRYING ABOUT IT. WE ARE NOT DESTINE FOR HELL BECAUSE OF OBESITY, BAD CLOTHES,AND LACK OF EDUCATION.PEOPLE STOP BEING SO JUDGMENTAL BE GLAD THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGES GOD AND NOT MONEY,SEX,MURDER AND IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY IN OUR BLACK SOCIETY.THERE R PROBLEMS WITHIN THE BLACK SOCIETY AND THOSE OF YOU THAT MADE GOOD CHOICES WANT TO BE PUT IN THE FOREFRONT BUT WHAT R U IN NEED OF BUT TO BE NOTICED BUT WHAT IF YOU HAD NOTHING OR TAEN FROM YOU IN THE BLINK OF EYE AND YOU HAD TO TRADE PLACES WOULD YOU WANT TO BE HIDDEN FROM SOCIETY AS IF YOU DONT EXSIST. TRY TO FIND POSITIVENESS IN ALL THINGS NOT JUST WHATS FITTING TO U

That is one man’s opinion. I could care less what people say about me as long as I know I’m doing the right thing inlife.

it dosent matter….christian r not…the issues tyler perry references in his work are relevant to any and everyone. y wouldnt we celebrate the fact that for once there are people on the big screen that not only look and talk like us, but are also addressing issues that are true to the black community….im sure the last time a white person did that, “”the color purple” premiered in a SELECT amount of theaters.

To Ms Shamel FYI I an a concious brother who knows how to spend my dollar and whom to support with it and whom not. I have heard different discussions about his movies. And as my brother Red Clay pointed out all of them seem to have the same formular. My misguided sister if you are so shallow that you can sit down for over two hours. And get entertain by the same thing over and over and repeatly spend you money to see it in different forms? Then you have some serious issues and need to seek professional help. As a blackman, I never condone and man entertaining in drag black or white. How many women you see playing men roles? What is the ratio Black men to white men playing these roles? Now if he use these characters once in a movie, maybe exceptable to some. But only a moron would get amused by the same person in drag movie after movie. Unless you are just some imbecile stuck on stupid. I say your intelligence is getting played on. I watched spike shoot Malcolm X around Harlem and personally know brother and sisters whom got employment on various project of Spike Lee`s. So if you are implying that Spike doe not walk it like he talks it? Then you are waaay off base. Spike has intregrity and you would never find him involved in such swallow projects.So for you to suggest that I am not familiar with the quality of Perry`s work because I would never pay my hard earn money to see it. You have missed the point. Wake Up!

…and Duhamel, you still talking about what you “HEARD” so all your rantings accomplished yet NOTHING once again (smh)!!! Mr. Brown and Madea is not in EVERY Tyler Perry movie. Sorry luv :( .

TYLER PERRY MAY NOT PLAY MEDEA IN ALL THE MOVIES THAT HE WRITES, PRODUCES, DIRICETS AND ACTS,(IF U NOTICED HE DOES ACT IN PRACTICLLY ALL HIS MOVIES)BUT IN SEVERAL MOVIES MEDEA HAS MADE APPERANCES THE MOST RECENT I CAN DO BAD, AND HE ALSO MAKES CAMEOS ON HIS OWN SHOWS LIKE HOUSE OF PAIN. THE GUY DAD FROM HOUSE OF PAIN WAS IN DADDYS LITTLE GIRLS, HE IS ALWAYS RECYCLING HIS ACTORS. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THEY SUCK!!!

Shamel: Mr. Lee was asked a specific question, which he gave a thorough answer to. You seem to just feel the need to criticize him, solely because he doesn’t agree with the stereotypical, contrived, demeaning nonsense that makes up the majority of Mr. Perry’s body of work. Honestly, I enjoy some of the movies that Tyler Perry puts out…I own Daddy’s Little Girls & The Family That Preys, along with Why Did I Get Married…pretty decent. That being said, I’ve seen Meet the Browns, as well as House of Payne…it’s coonery. Personally, I’m not impressed by it, and I don’t feel the need to agree with the portrayal simply because it’s a Black man producing it. In fact, it sickens me to see the constant portrayals of our people in this fashion….Black women are always helpless, in need of a man to support them. The Black men are generally low income & uneducated, or well educated & moraly corrupt. This is not ALL of his work…it’s the majority of his film work, though. Also, you asked about why there was no backlash in the case of Dance Flick, the Scary Movie series, First Sunday, etc. First Sunday is the first film by a playwright…which means that this brother isn’t constantly cramming this down our throats. Dance Flick & the Scary Movie series are SPOOFS! They’re intended to show stereotypes…similar to Bamboozled…guess you missed that part, huh? I do kinda love how you vilify everyone who disagrees with your views, though…shows how profoundly ignorant you are.

See now I was JUST reading the posts as to not get into the thick of things…but Red_Clay_Chronicles…I think YOU have summed it all up in a very convincing manner…I AGREE!! TOTALLY! @Pantherg08…I agree also..we dont mind seeing the same people in movies that impress us…Lee has featured Denzel quite often…and we keep going back for more..because Denzel doesnt SUCK like the casts of HofP and MtheB’s….Sorry ‘G’..I had to come back and read the latest….lol

IM JUST HAPPY THAT THERE ARE INTELLIGENT AFRICAN AMERICANS (HOW FEW THERE ARE) ON THIS FORUM THAT DOES NOT RIDE WITH EVERY AFRICAN AMERIAN JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK! I MEAN TO THINK THAT HIS SHOWS ARE REMOTELY ENTERTAINING SHOWS WHERE THERE INTELLECT IS AT. I APPLAUD ANY AFRICAN AMERICAN THAT CAN TELL THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN SMART ENTERTAINMENT AND STEREOYTIPICAL SLAPSTICK HUMOR!!!

Pantherg08 & CaliFemme23: Y’all have both been making great points for a few pages, and even though it’s essentially fighting a losing battle, had to give y’all your just due. Keep it up…it seemed for a minute like the folks with a sense of self-worth & cultural identity were all but gone from here.

@ Red_Clay_Chronicles, you got me confused w/ someone else boo boo. Sorry luv :( . There is NOT ONE COMMENT on here in which I asked about “Another Dance Flick” or “Scary Movies” so PLEASE DON’T GET IT TWISTED!!! If you gonna call me out on something let it be something that I actually said. Otherwise, you are just bumpin’ your gums about bulls#!t that is immaterial to the topic at hand. If you took this as an opportunity to make a personal attack against me just because you don’t like me…well I can accept that too. Word of advice: IF YOU GONNA CALL SOMEONE OUT ON SOMETHING MAKE SURE IT WAS THEM THAT SAID IT (LMAO)!!! I actually LIKE and advocate Spike Lee’s efforts and equally the same for Tyler Perry. They are not portraying blacks as hoodlums, gangbangers, gangsters, thieves, dope dealers etc. However, you can’t please everyone. If he opts to please the small percentage of naysayers that don’t like Mr. Brown or Madea than you will be on the next blog calling him a SELLOUT or a CONFORMIST. WHATEVER!!! Can’t win for losing with some of you. I applaud his success. It is what it is!!!

ACTUALLY I WOULD NOT CALL TYLER PERRY A SELL OUT IF HE DECIDED TO MAKE MORE POSITIVE ( AND WELL WRITTEN BECAUSE HIS WRITTING SKILLS ARE LIMITED) MOVIES MAKING US LOOK BETTER AS A PEOPLE, I DIDNT THINK DAVE CHAPPELE WAS A SELL OUT WHEN HE TURNED DOWN 60 MILLION DOLLARS!!!

So you didn’t make a comment regarding Dance Flick, First Sunday, et al? I could’ve sworn that was your comment on page 10….if it’s not, I apologize.

“@ baby_01_grl, those movies were “deemed” accepable because Tyler Perry didn’t write,produce or star in them (lol)! Just like ALL the movies that “cvalrie17″ mentioned. You noticed NO ONE responded to her comment??? I am still laughing at those who think Madea and Mr. Brown are stars in all his film and that the premise of all his movies are comedy (smh)!!! WOW! People take “one” element of his productions and run with it but not look at his work in it’s TOTALITY. Tunnel vision at it’s best! *still laughing*”

That’s not you, Ms? Because it’s credited to you. Far as me referencing you trying to blast folks, I read your little chatter directed @ CaliFemme & Duhamel. I know exactly what I’m speakin’ on, darlin’. Oh…1 more thing…I don’t know you not to like you, I just made note that you sounded ignorant in your posts.

Hmmm Like really Im listening to SOME females here talking about the Tyler Perry/ Spike Lee issue and its amazing how the pot can call the kettle black sometimes….When I as a black woman myself look at some of your pages…u r taking body shots of yourselves…sucking on blowpops…popsickles..whatever they are to exploit yourselves for men to talk to you…I call that coonery and boofoonery!! When one can be TRUE to themselves and about themselves I applaud them…. When I see Tyler Perrys movies…I dont look at the man in a dress because I KNOW that this man is talking about the hidden strength behind someone that WE all have in our familys… MADEA represents that image that he portrays. When I watch these movies I look at the underlying messages that are portrayed in these movies…When I look at some of you young ladies pages…I think to myself Now this IS one of the aspects that he addresses in his movies…WAKE UP!! Sometimes we dont like when things hit too close to home because we dont like looking back at that reflection in the mirror that stands before us. We have been conditioned not to like ourselves…sell ourselves short on every spectrum that man has placed before us. Tyler Perry addresses alot of issues that hit so close to home in many of our own lives…We talk about how he makes the dark skinned brothers look like the bad guys…have u ever thought that he wanted you to notice that on purpose…so that u would know that the stereotype is there?? the pitting of one skin tone to another has been going on for years…its in alot of our homes anyways….evrything that u view in Tyler Perrys movies is there for a reason…You must open your eyes…ears an hearts so that u can recieve what God wants you to get from it. Alot of you have an issue with Tyler dressing in drag…why?? Let your conscience be your TRUE guide…Our black men are taught and reared that its not okay to show compassion….it not okay to cry…and when something hurts or is bothering you u sit idly and hold it all in side…what happens when all of that presure is hidden?? YOU EXPLODE!! oUR WOMEN RUN AROUND HOLLERING YOU CANT FIND A GOOD BLACK MAN ANYWHERE….Well gee I wonder why….could it be because they are sooo hardened in their hearts and souls that they cant give us what we want an need because they lck the sensitivity that Tyler keeps trying to tell you that its okay to have?? What I beg some of you to do is sit down and watch at least 3 of his movies in its entirety….dont sit there in judgement…just sit quietly and wait for Gods message..then log back on to BP in another week…and if your opinion is still the same then thats on you….Young women…WAKE UP…The movies address us most definitely…ad witha purpose…Its all about respect….look at your web pages..and then come back here and talk about coonery and boofoonery…remember when u point one finger you have three pointing back at you….Dont go by what people tell you about his movies…everybodys words and opinions aint gospel…do your homework for yourself…and remember there are alot men and women out here with Book sense and no common sense…to get up here and brag about what you do and your skills means nothing…GEORGE BUSH had skills…and look where he is..Because you got a lil something goin on with the books means nothing if you cant back it up with real life skills…

I can also applaud Perry’s ‘success’ as a person who wanted to do something and accomplished it tenfold..hands down the man has made great ‘success’ with his attempts…BUT at what cost to black people and the already meddled image of us thats out there….Is it really ‘success’ when you make fools of US in the process? I think its more like a great step backwards…It’s what the white culture usually expects from US. Spike Lee has ALWAYS caught some kind of ‘heat’ for most of his productions because hes NOT doing what white america wants him to do like Tyler Perry is.

AND FOR U PEOPLE SAYING THINGS LIKE HE REPERSENTS GOD IN ALL HIS MOVIES DONT U REALIZE THAT HE IS SELLING US OUT AND HIS SOUL TO MAKE A PROFIT? WHY DO U THINK DAVE CHAPPELE TURNED DOWN THAT MONEY? BECAUSE HE REALIZED THAT THE MATEIEAL HE WAS MAKING WAS MAKING ALL OF US LOOK VERY BAD! HOW CHRISTIAN IS IT TO SELL YOUR SOUL TO MAKE MONEY????

@ Red_Clay_Chronicles, you sound IGNORANT to me. Now what??? You came at me don’t think I wasn’t gonna give it back. I commented to SOMEONE ELSE’S remark on this blog. You got a lot of time on your hands to be going back pages and digging for someone’s comments to copy and paste. LMAO! WOW!!! I did not ASK about these film nor initiate the topic on those because I already know the premise behind “Scary Movies” and “Another Dance Flick”. What was your point of DREDGING up something from “page 10″ as you say??? Another BASELESS argument that resorts in name calling. I don’t have to make personal attacks to get my point across. However, I am done talking with you. I am all for a MATURE debate but this is became quite cynical and petty. People never cease to amaze me!!!

@try2btru, WELL SPOKEN!!! I couldn’t agree with you more :) .

WOW I WASENT AWARE THAT GEORGE BUSH HAD SKILLS! I HAVE BEEN WATCHING MSNBC, CNN, AND FOX NEWS ( HOW BIAS THEY ARE) FOR YEARS AND NEVER CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT HE EVER HAD SKILLS DO YOUR HOMEWORK! AND TO THE POINT THAT WE BLACK MEN ACT HARD ALL THE TIME SO WE CANT OPEN UP?? THE BLACK MEN IS A PRODUCT OF THE BLACK WOMEN, MOST OF U WANT THIS IMAGE, THIS THUG IMAGE, WHEN WE DONT ACT LIKE THAT U LABEL US SOFT, WHEN WE GET A EDUCATION AND WANT TO WORK HARD ALOT OF U LABEL US A UNCLE TOM! SO BEFORE U GO AND SAY WE DONT OPEN UP, ALOT OF U ONLY GIVE US RESPECET WHEN WE ACT HARD!!!

LOL…because I read the page that populated when opening the article, I’ve got too much time on my hands? The game’s @ halftime…don’t flatter yourself. Since you’re educated, but can’t seem to read what’s written…that’s fine. I sound ignorant to you, that’s fine…no basis…but I’m not surprised in the least bit. You take it easy, and have a good one.

@RED_Clay_Chronicles…..ok first of all i mentioned those movies NOT Shamel…..second of all ok sure Scary Movie and Dance Flick were spoof but what about the others I mentioned . And its funny how you mentioned the TP movies you enjoyed AND owned and then want to COMPLETELY write him off just because he didn’t cater to you and your opinion for some. HELLO!!!! Being a TP fan does NOT mean you have to like every film and play the man has ever written…And its funny how you will give the person who directed First Sunday a break…tell me when does his apparent “get out of coonery jail card” expire? And NO I DIDNT miss that and having to insult ppl to make your point shows how ignorant YOU are. Those of us who have solid arguments don’t feel the need to insult ppl to appear credible….hmmm….well i’ll be isn’t that another black stereotype….wow

Hmmm, I think red_clay_chronicles touched on some cold hard TRUTH and it wasnt well received…I to went back a few pages in posts to read what people have been saying throughout the forum to have a FEEL FOR THE FLOW OF ‘CONVERSATION’. Youre right @red_clay…some of US do still get it and we do exist!

@try2btru, when did George Bush EVER have skills? I can only hope that was an attempt at mild sarcasm. He didnt have any skills, what he had was a very wealthy family who has held status for a long time.

Well CaliFemme23….when it comes to George Bush we agree 100%!!!!!!!!!! lol

LOL thank you @baby_01_grl…we found one subject so far we vibin on and since its a pretty deep subject (george bush) im glad we agree…lol

@ baby_01_grl, are you speaking the TRUTH yet again (lol)??? Too much knowledge for the masses girl…too much knowledge. I have come to the realization it is like “a dog chasing it’s tail”…you are just going in circles. Some don’t know what it is to agree to disagree (RESPECTFULLY) and keep it pushin’. Can’t beat a DEAD horse! *throwing hands up*. Have a blessed night luv.

Hmmm, “spewing negativity from the sidelines like Spike Lee and not doing anything for yourselves communities” I think someone said that to ME earlier…sounds pretty negative to me…I think someone can dish it out (and not very well at all i might add) but SOMEONE cant take it…

Hmmm lets see…She’s Gotta have it…was a movie that depicted a Black woman in a very negative light..Spike Lees movie mind you….what was so positive about that movie?!? I luv Spike Lees movies…I thought they were powerful and poignant..and yes They had a message…my question is at what point do we stop with the madness of being angered?? When do we learn to show love to our brothers and sisters even when we have been wronged?? Spikes movies leave you with a thought process that yeah…weve been wrong so lets go out and get em…thats just me..because each movie that I have watched angered the hell out of me..and I wanted to bash some people at one point!! After I calmed down from watching his movies(Spikes) over again I came to realize that Spike wasnt trying to make me angry…He wanted ME TO WAKE THE “f” UP!!I NEEDED to address some issues that were before me but without all of the violence. Tyler Perry addresses the same types of issues but in a family scenario and witha softer tone than Spike Lee…They BOTH should be appluaded for a job well done…we dont need to be sitting here arguing over who is right and wrong…they just exploit whats going on in OUR COMMUNITIES with the beat of a different drum!! I am saddened that Spike has raised such a division between th mindsets of us all…I think that they both need to get together and make a movie…Not only would it be powerful but edification for our souls on a whole new level…Spike with HIS thought process and Tyler with HIS….all of it would be dealing with aspects OF THE BLACK FAMILY…only those who have truly sat down and watched both of these men and their movies would understand what I am talking about…anyone who has yet to sit down and watch at least 3 of both of their movies u really arent going to have a valid opinion…and thats just ME saying it!!!

baby_01_grl: Well gosh…I’m unsure what to say to that one. You say that you feel I’m ignorant, because in your opinion I insulted someone to make a point, yet you’re attempting to insult me while making yours? I said that the young lady that posted previously sounded ignorant…not that she was a dumbass, was full of bulls**t, or some other nonsense…I just said that her posts made her sound profoundly ignorant. If you find issue with that, oh well. Yes, I own a couple of Tyler Perry’s movies, and the three that I own are decent enough. I spoke on his television shows almost exclusively…they seem like modern day blackface to me…that’s my personal opinion. Also…that’s the topic of this forum…hence the comment. I didn’t give the man that directed First Sunday a break…I said that he’s made one film, and that he wasn’t shoving coonery down our collective throats in film after film. Why is that? Because he’s only made one film! His plays, from what I’ve seen, are decent enough as well…the only one that pops to mind is Fabric of a Man. Anything else, ma’am? If not, take it easy & have a good one.

@ CaliFemme23, you don’t have to talk “AT” me you can talk to me. I can have an objective conversation…in spite of what you THINK ;) . Going over the same TIRED A$$ dialogue is getting old and redundant! You can have that if that makes you feel good about yourself. We have a DIFFERENCE of opinion which is stating the obvious but what was your point in bringing that back up…YET AGAIN??? You got a couple people siding with you so you feelin’ good huh? I hear ya, I hear ya…do ya thing (LOL)!!!

Hmm…lets see….I dont know u Cali but George ran this country SUCCESSFULLY into the ground!!! I call that SKILLS!! George managed to run this country into mass hysteria and panick during 911 along with his croonies…thats mad SKILLS….Geoege has OUR family members fighting a war that we have no buisness in and we dont know why…agin Mad skills…and I emphasize the word MAD!! Lets see if u understand the nnotation behind the word MAD!! Anyways when I mentioned George it wasnt because I was giving him any props…Im sorry if thats how your mind interpreted it. I was merely saying that if any body that dumb can do wht he hsa done and get away with and you nor I have truly addressed it thats some kinda skills that he has..even if Daddy Bush had to help him along the way. Im not trying to come down on you….just trying to enlighten you a lil bit…sorry if the brain didnt comprehend it….

Yes @ Shamel_, I do have what..I think only three or maybe four people that side with me? But its never about quantity its always about QUALITY with me. I would rather have ONE well informed, intelligent, articulate, collected person agree with me on this particular subject, as opposed to jumping on the ‘yay Tyler Perry makes me laugh” bandwagon with the rest of the knowledgable masses…And in your quest to ‘voice’ your opinion, you judged who I am and what I do all this way over here on the west coast. Like I said, I would rather have ONE Spartan on my side as opposed to a million Persians…by the way, the Persians ultimately LOST the battle…

I HAVE SEEN SOME OF HIS MOVIES AND PLAYS THATS THE ONLY REASON I HAVE A OPINION ON IT. I WILL GIVE ALMOST ANY MOVIE A CHANCE CAN U GUYS SAY THE SAME. HOW MANY OF U GUYS SEEN WEATHER MAN? HOW MANY OF U GUYS SEEN LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE? HOW MANY OF U GUYS SEEN EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMON? IVE SEEN ALOT OF SPIKE LEE’S MOVIES AS WELL MALCOM X AND DO THE RIGHT THING ARE MY FAVORITES SO IM NOT JUST JUDGING HIM ON THINGS THAT I HAVE NOT EXPERIMENTED ON! HIS SHOWS HOUSE OF PAIN AND MEET THE BROWNS ARE TERRIBLE! IT WOULD BE ONE THING IF THEY WERE FUNNY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART THEY ARE NOT!

LMAO @ CaliFemme23, instead of laughing at Tyler Perry how about I laugh at “YOU”??? You SUCCEEDED at “entertaining” me…MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

Ok @ try2btru, I guess you missed the part where I stated “I hope thats some mild form of sarcasm” So yes I did get what you said and the meaning behind it because I used the word ‘sarcasm’. And my brain comprehends just fine, if it didnt I wouldnt have the three more informed, intelligent people on my side in this forum now would I? (smile). That paragraph you wrote where you mentioned Bush was so all over the place. You went into God, the masses, young people, hosuewives etc..it was so ill dictated and scathy that I shouldnt have even responded to your comments anyway. Not trying to come down hard on ya..just trying to enlighten you a bit…

OH AS FAR AS THE GEORGE BUSH THING IF U CAN REMEMBER HE DIDNT EVER WIN HIS FIRST ELECTION THE SUPREME COURT GAVE IT TO HIM! AS FAR AS HIM STARTING THE WAR IN IRAQ KARL ROVE WAS BEHING MOST OF THAT AND A REPULBLICAN RAN CONGRESS! IF U SOMEBODY WAS AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ THEY WERE LABLED UNPATRIOTIC ESPICIALLY BECAUSE OF THE 9/11 THING. SO HE DID NOT HAVE TO BE INTELLIGENT TO STARY A WAR, HE WAS A REPLUBLICAN FRADULANTLY ELECTED WITH A REPLUBLICAN CONGRESS, THEY COULD AND DID DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED ESPICALLY WITH PASSING THE PATRIOT ACT!!

pantherg08, I HATE George Bush so you won’t get any argument out of me on that one (LOL)! Maybe I shouldn’t use the word “hate” huh???

I am perfectly fine with agreeing to disagree…Shamel_ definately took it a step further taking personal shots at others…That is not respectful in any sense of the word. The difference between intelligent/mature people and those that arent is the mature adult doesnt resort to sniping when they are challenged. YOU my dear resorted to sniping in earlier posts. Now whether you want to admit that or not is on you…Maybe you should do what red_clay did and hit up some previous pages on here to pinpoint where exactly you did it…IF all of you dont mind or have a problem with Perry making black people look like fools, then so be it..

I dont watch Meet The Browns..or House of Pain…Not because Of Tyler Perry but because the shows dont do it for me…just like many of shows…It has nothing to do with coonery or buffoonery either…I just dont watch it…I like Panther have watched Spikes Movies…Skooldaze…Do the Right Thing…etc..etc…and they were Great movies…dont knock em..wouldnt knock em…I think the man had something to say and he did just that….Tyler is doing the same just with different measures and I respect him for that. Im one of the ones who didnt go to watch Tylers movies to get a laugh…I watch them because of the undertones that are dealt with…One must be willing to deal with your own inner demons I guess…and thats not a bad thing…

@pantherg08….stop that now…seems like making sense and KNOWING what youre talking about makes people upset in here…(wink)

try2btru, we are COMPLETELY on the same page when it comes to TP’s television shows. The shows are NOT funny to me or my brand of “comedy”. However, I do respect his efforts. I know plenty of people who do like it so it is working for him. School Dayze was one of my FAVORITE Spike Lee movies. LOVED IT!!! The message behind it was profound. It is still relevant today. CaliFemme23, if you took anything I said as a personal attack I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE and I do mean that. I am all for uplifting my fellow sisters and I don’t want anyone to feel as though I was PERSONALLY attacking them. I can sometimes come off abrasive with words (I will be the FIRST to admit) when I am passionate about what I am saying. However, I take major stakes into volunteering in your community and giving back that’s all. I respect everthing you said and you made VALID points I just don’t “share” your views that is all. Are we “NOW” on the same page???

@try2btru

The movie, She’s gotta have it, represents the first movie of the 1980s to place the achievement of individual desire at the forefront of the black liberation movement, in the same manner the individual is at the center of the hip-hop revolution. The movie also gave blackness a universal face, through the eyes of Mars (Spike Lee) and a universal home, Brooklyn. It is the story of Nola Darling, a young black woman, a source of conversation both in and out of the film. The film’s narrative style is taken from the challenges and pleasures of the competing views on who Nola truly is. This signifies the major source of controversy of the sexism in the movie as the viewer is reluctant to accept Nola’s voice as authoritative.

Nola idealizes having what men in the black community have—multiple sex partners—which symbolizes her as an individual struggling against the group. “A woman (or, at least Nola) can be a sexual being, doesn’t have to belong to a man, and perhaps shouldn’t even wish for such a thing.” Above all, Nola’s voice is the most revolutionary element in the film, a representation of the struggle of Black women in society at the time.

Therefore, it can be said that Spike was ahead of his time. The topic and plot of his movies because even though you see the physical part of it.There’s a bigger picture that symbolizes true growth and questions the norm within our community and white man run society itself.

@Shamel_ I couldnt have said it better..I appreciate that, very well said, point taken. I too am VERY harsh in my words at times…(southern women usually are..) I respect your point of view as well, our opinions differ and that is just fine…I always like to know what other people think in opposition to what I think..makes the world go ’round. We are NOW on the same page as women, people, educated, opinionated…Dont ever change that!

Peace…Andrea

rofl Cali…Like I said sorry if your brain didnt comprehend what I was saying…But anyway…What I was saying was that Bush had skills to a certain degree and those skills were from the backing of his FATHER…sure they werent his own skills but he was smart enough to use many others to his benefit..soooooo he has to have known something…. manipulation is a powerful thing and he used it well…despite the fact that he had the backings of others…a skill is a learning craft..one that Mr Bush has incorporated by manipulating the minds of the masses…Wouldnt you call that skill?? It may not be a good skill…but it is one none the less….The dude stayed in Office making life hell for alot of us for 8yrs…and then left us dirt poor struggling to survive and HIS family is still intact..wow…thats SKILL to me despite like I said once again the backings of others…….:)

IM GLAD PEOPLE ARE GETTING IT BECAUSE SPIKE LEE WAS TALKING ABOUT TP’S TELEVISON SHOWS! THOSE SHOWS ARE NOT INTLELLIGENT PEOPLES KIND OF COMEDY IM GLAD WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.

AND I RESPECT ANYBODYS HUSTLE, BUT RAPPERS, DRUG DEALERS HAVE A HUSLTE ALSO BUT AT WHAT COST????? ITS STILL DEGRADING

CaliFemme23, WHAT!!! So I can call you Andrea? Loving it (smile)!!! I too love (THRIVE) on good debate. These blogs are like crack to me. With that being said let me stir the pot just a little. This question is for you (or whoever else wants to answer). Boyz In The Hood just went off on BET and now “Hustle & Flow” is on. How do you feel about The Hughes Brothers and John Singleton and the type of film they put out???

Jazz I know that and thankyou for commenting…Im am not here to put EITHER of these men down..I admire them both….I think we all share differences of opinions in our thought process on the way that we view things…I myself didnt like “Shes Gotta have it” thats just me…that will probably be the only movie of Spikes that I kinda fuss about to a certain degree…When I first saw Spikes movies all I could think was WOW…this man has something to say and hes not afraid to say it…I was and still am very proud of his accomplishments. All I am saying is that we should give Tyler the same respect that Spike was given and not justvrespect but the CHANCE to prove his self worth…:) Dont criticize him cuz hes in a dress just listen to what he has to say and at the end of the day if you still feel that way then its your right to the opinion that you have chosen…Im not talking about you…just to the ones that disagree with me..:) Again thanks for the response..and as for you Cali…thankyou for yours aswell…Im not up here tryin to start anything just wanting to voice my opinions as some of you have and are doing….:)

TP’s coonery is off the charts realistically there is nothing he can say in his own defense, especiallly since his bread winner a mammie stereotype is himself in drag

THIS IS A REPOST, SINCE I CANT GET ANY TYLER PERRY AND SPIKE LEE VIEWER OR SHOULD I SAY CONSUMER TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

lets some this up in two questions, and these two questions will tell you whats exactly going on between who’s the coon and who’s of substance.

1) why is it so easy for Tyler Perry to get the capital backing of white Jewish zionist owned hollywood to produce his movies?

2) Yet, why is it so hard for Spike Lee to get any backing for his movies that has substance, historical implications, and positive imagery about black people?

All you need to do is look below and look at the body of work. The ones that actually has a brain will articulate, who made good positive black movies.

Spike Lee’s Movies:

1)Kobe Doin’ Work (2009) (TV)
2)Passing Strange (2009) (TV)
3)Miracle at St. Anna (2008)
… aka Miracolo a Sant’Anna (Italy)
4) M.O.N.Y. (2008) (TV)
5) Lovers & Haters (2007)
6) “When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts” (2 episodes, 2006)
… aka “When the Levees Broke” (USA: short title)
7) Inside Man (2006)
8) All the Invisible Children (2005) (segment “Jesus Children of America”)
… aka Les enfants invisibles (France)
9) Jesus Children of America (2005)
10)”Miracle’s Boys” (2 episodes, 2005)
11)Sucker Free City (2004) (TV)
12)She Hate Me (2004)
13)25th Hour (2002)
14)Ten Minutes Older: The Trumpet (2002)
15)Jim Brown: All American (2002) (TV)
16)Come Rain or Come Shine (2001)
17)A Huey P. Newton Story (2001) (TV)
18)Bamboozled (2000)
19)The Original Kings of Comedy (2000)
20)And Ya Don’t Stop: Hip Hop’s Greatest Videos, Vol. 1 (2000) (V) (video “Fight the Power”)
21)Summer of Sam (1999)
22)Pavarotti & Friends 99 for Guatemala and Kosovo (1999) (TV)
23)Pavarotti & Friends for the Children of Liberia (1998) (TV)
24)Freak (1998) (TV)
… aka John Leguizamo’s Freak (USA: complete title)
25)He Got Game (1998)
26)4 Little Girls (1997)
27)Michael Jackson: HIStory on Film
28)Get on the Bus (1996)
29)Girl 6 (1996)
30)Lumière et compagnie (1995)
31)Clockers (1995)
32)Crooklyn (1994)
33)Malcolm X (1992)
34)Jungle Fever (1991)
35)Mo’ Better Blues (1990)
36)Do the Right Thing (1989)
37)School Daze (1988)
38)She’s Gotta Have It (1986)
39)Joe’s Bed-Stuy Barbershop: We Cut Heads (1983)
40)Sarah (1981)
41)The Answer (1980)
42)Last Hustle in Brooklyn

Tyler Perry movies:

I Can Do all bad by myself
Madea goes to jail
Meet the Browns
the family that preys
Daddy’s little girls
why did i get married?
Family Reunion
Mad Black Woman

TV shows:

Meet the Browns
House of Payne

WELL I WAS BORN IN COMPTON SO IVE SEEN FIRST HAND HOW GANG VIOLENCE IS I CURRENTLY LIVE IN SANBERDINO AND HAVE HAD MANEY FRIENDS KILLED FROM GANG VIOLENCE SO GANG VIOLENCE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, AND BOYS IN THE HOOK MENANCE TO SOCIETY ARE PRETTY AUTHINTIC AND MY OPINION WELL ACTED!

OH YEAH INSIDE MAN WAS A VERY SMART WELL ACTED DIRECTED MOVIE HOW MANY OF U GAVE THAT MOVIE A CHANCE! GOOD ONE JAZZPAST!!

Also, if one get a chance to read through the transcript of this blog. People will see one of the illness in our community:

Black Men vs. Black Women

And I can say that this has to be the dumbest regressive conversation because of the fact that we can talk about TP i.e.movies, shows,compare him to god. However, when its really about US and our relationship with each other no one will speak in an adult mature manner.

and whats up with folks comparing TP to God? thats like how this sheeples looking at Obama as a freaking Messiah. Stop with the BULLishhhhh!

@try2btru: You need to change your screen name to ‘I_Say_Stupid_Sh*it’. First of all NOTHING Bush did can be accredited to skill of any caliber. He had advisors, family, friends, colleagues, etc…making ALL of his moves for him. All he did was jump on the podium and RECITE what he was told to recite, doesnt take skill to do that. He did NOT manipulate anyone, I would say he cheated in elections, lied (which all of his lies were found out, so he wasnt skilled there either), attempted to USE his fellow republicans, but as you well know even that was a lost skill because A LOT of them jumped to Obama or Hillary’s ship when it came down to it. And who told YOU his family is still in tact? One of his daughters was sighted leaving a rehab clinic a month ago, the other twin daughter has been stopped on too many DUI’s to count, his wife is now suffering from acute Rheumatoid arthritis, so she’ll probably be immobile in a little over a year give or take. Now if you mean he still has money, then so be it if thats your point…but I hardly consider that ‘intact’ to say the least. I wouldn’t prefer to have money over peace of mind within my family. But hey thats just MY BRAIN hard at work I suppose.

Im going to leave you alone now dear, because YOU are speaking out of ‘passion, feelling and emotion’ NOT facts. And as ive learned, you can not impose intellect on someone who isnt READY or well equiped to handle it. The passionate, ill informed person is his, or in your case HER own worst enemy because you havent stated any facts or reasoning behind your mindless, FEMALE ramblings on here so far…read a book, watch some CNN and holler back..I take it you’ll be at that reading task for a WHILE, so im gonna be out now…very respectfully from my brain to yours…

PEACE!

@pantherg

Thanks brother, peace and blessings!

IM GLAD THAT ANOTHER BLACK MEN DOES NOT LOOK AT OBAMA AT THE SAVIOR, WHENEVER I SAY THAT PEOPLE LOOK AT ME LIKE I WORK FOR FOX NEWS!!! AND I HATE FOX NEWS!!!!

@Shamel_ Yes, feel free to call me Andrea..its all good…Now on the Hughes Brothers and John Singleton….oooooo, I had this talk with my dude a few weeks back. He and I dont see eye to eye on this simnply because I dont feel that the movies are relative to me at all..I know I know, im black and all that..BUT, when i watch movies that are intent upon stirring me racially/ethnically, I always look for relativity as in ‘does this apply to me as a person?, Can I pull some knowledge and apply it to myself?” I have yet to really appreciate The Hughes Brothers/John Singleton films. Dont get me wrong, I respect what they do because im sure the basis of the movies do apply to many, many can relate or pull from them. Being where im from and where I grew up, as a child/teen/early adulthood, I NEVER came across the experiences that the characters in those movies portrayed. I lived a very sheltered life growing up ill admit…There was no ‘hood’, no baby momma drama back then, I never saw a drive by, gang violence, shootings, none of that in my impressive years..

@jazzpast…i agree…Obama is just another president whos trying to prove if he can do the job remotely better than the last man…period. He was not born to Mary and Joseph like the masses think he was…

rofl…u r too funny Cali…now whos speaking out of emotion….Nothing I have said stems from emotion…all u have to do is read my psotings..not from just talking with you…but in alot of other spaces aswell on the subject…now u can sit here and try and balst me if that makes you feel good go for it …give it your best shot..its all good….At the end of the night Im still gonna rest with peace in my heart and know that all that I have said here tonight was from my heart and with good intentions…I have no ill will for anyone here…Im not here trying to show how college oriented (thoughI major in Social work) I am only saying that the guy has skills and he should be applauded for it….Skills are warranted in how the eye interprets them…you and I just disagree with our definition of it. Thats okay with me….You keep trying to “Put me in my place” and I am realizing that you are still young with more to be absorbed…I commend you on the fact that u r in school but realize my dear sister you still have alot more maturing to do….all ya gotta do is keep on living…and u will get it…:) Thanks for the chat….

and on the part where Im talking about skills Cali…this time Im talking about TP and his being applauded for it..:)

@try2btru.. I said, reply with facts, not emotion..you say you dont apply emotion, but you turn around and contradict yourself and say all you have said here tonight comes from your ‘heart’..is that not emotion dear? When you say ‘thanx for the chat’ does that mean you are FINALLY going to STOP typing? If so then I will now applaud you as you have Bush for all of his skills…

@try2btru

Thank you for your opinion, and i do respect what you have conveyed. However, i have to disagree and agree with my brothers regarding the Madea character. If it is much important for our community especially the children to see and reminded of our family’s central foundation, a GRANDMOTHER or MOTHER. why cant TP just take the step of hiring someone to play the role? I do understand that we were able to replicate this in movies like Soul Food, This Christmas and countless others. Hire great actors like Cecily Tyson,Irma Hall, Gloria Foster etc. etc. to play bigger meaningful roles as a grandmother/mother.

At the same time, I do understand your point of just looking beyond the dress he is wearing and listen to his message. However, how many of parents in the black/brown community sits down there kid during a movie and explain the things thats going on in the movies? lets just say that the number on that is very skewed to not too many. The psychological effect on kids who are very impressionistic in a very young age cannot comprehend the go beyond the dress semantics because they think with their eyes. Hence, the argument of left brain vs. right brain learning patterns.In addition, it is given that in hollywood black men has to act feminine and put a dress on in order to maintain there status in the hollyweird world they live in. When such thing is being projected to the kids then you are easily seeing the psychological effects today.just look around you.

@try2btru. if you applaud TP for his ‘skills’ then you my dear should read further on society and its social workings since you say you are in social work. And you cant commend me on the fact that im still in school because im not..I graduated in 2006. Once again..please get some facts before, BEFORE you speak…and youre right, I do still have growing up to do, we all do, and on a constant basis at that, and that makes me all the better for recognizing it. You need to grow more, open your eyes and step into this thing called reality where everything doesnt work off “God, good intentions, heart and Tyler Perry”

I mean is this really the day and age where we need to glorify a MAN dressed in women’s clothing? People of today will follow ANY and all things that are seen or portrayed as ‘cool’ or ‘funny’ or acceptable…not the impression I would want to give my children.

@cali

Thank you, and folks wonder their kids act gay, homos and whatever else.

I wish we could transfer some of this conversation into the political articles… but this goes to show…nevamind, some people will never get it

Yall funny as hell !! Look TP is doing what he does and people who don’t like it… didn’t like long be4 my man Spike said anything, but I remember when Bill Cosby said J.J. Evens was a buffoon, but how many black folks said “Good Times” was the bomb ( and trust im from the Desire housing projects and knew A LOT of kids who’s daddy wasn’t their.) Come on my people check this out TV is not a place for reality… real life is. I am a BIG Spike Lee fan, but TP does his thing and he hopes it’ll help someone and yall know it does. As black people we need to ( again ) stop kicking each other in the ass about things that mean a thing. Cuz all the KIDS are listening to lil Wayne nobodies tripping on that! Hell he doesn’t ware a dress but he did kiss a dude on mouth. So if we’re going to “Fight the power” ( each other ) lets start with the bull crap we call art and pick that apart and see if it still measures up to our neighbors expectations.. Oh 1mo thing a quote from my main man Spike Lee “All directors are storytellers, so the motivation was to tell the story I wanted to tell. That’s what I love.”

OH and I AGREE WITH Da_J_Rok 100% lets drop this!!

@rok we should start one, a website with monthly articles.If blackplanet will give us a blog spot, shoot i’m down. So sup blackplanet?

Spike lee is a f**kin hater FA REAL he just mad cause Tyler Perry is doing it BIG i feel like if he don’t like none of Tyler stuff then DON’T F**KIN LOOK AT IT TURN THE CHANNEL OR DON’T GO TO NONE OF HIS MOVIES and i personally don’t give a lovely f**k how many movies Spike Lee then made cause his movies or NOT BETTER then Tyler Perry plays,movies nor shows and then what i love about Tyler is that all his movies has meaning and then u can relate to it so SPIKE LEE needs to go sit his ASS DOWN SOME F**KIN WHERE REAL TALK !!!

I AM SO DOWN WITH THE POLITICAL DEABATE BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE PROBLEM, ALOT OF AFRICAN AMERICANS(IM SO SAD TO SAY REALLY) DONT KEEP UP WITH SUCH ISSUES AT LEAST THE YOUNGER ONES. I NOT ONLY WATCH CNN BUT MSNBC AND THE HYPROCRITICAL FOX NEWS BUT ALOT OR THE YOUNGER ONES RATHER KEEP UP WITH BET (WICH IS OWNED BY A WHITE MAN THE FORMER OWNER OWNES PART OF THE BOBCATS)AND MTV. I ALWAYS BRING UP THESE KIND OF DEBATES TO MY PEARS BUT THEY DONT EVER TRY TO HEAR ME. WE NEED TO START FROM THE GROUND UP BECAUSE THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT DEBATES BUT A MAJORITY OF US ARE SO CONCEARNED WITH IMAGE, INSTEAD OF BEING KNOLEDGEBALE.

AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP WITH THIS HATING ON SOMEBODY THEORY. I DONT LIKE DICK CHENEYS TATICS SO IM HATING ON HIM? I THINK SARAH PALIN IS A IDIOT SO IM HATIN ON HER? JUST BECAUSE I DONT AGREE WITH THEIR PHILOSPHY DOSENT MEAN IM ENVIOUS OF THEIR SUCCESS. SPIKE LEE IS NOT HATING ON ANYBODY HE WAS THE REBEL PERSON WHEN IT MEANT THE MOST. HE TOOK ALOT OF HEAR FOR MALCOLM X AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND JUNGLE FEVER. HE STOOD ALONE WHEN HE COULD NOT GET EXTRA FUNDING FOR MALCOLM X AND IT WAS STILL A GOOD MOVIE. IF ANY BLACK FILM MAKER HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO STATE HIS OPINION ITS SPIKE LEE.

@ Cali, I am DEAD LATE responding but I TOTALLY AGREE with you on John Singleton and Hughes Brothers. Can you believe it (lol)? In all seriousness, I grew up very sheltered, went to a predominantly white school, and we were the ONLY blacks on our street. It was hard for me because I had to prove my “blackness” often times. When I came, I came HARD!!! Although I cannot relate to those directors films I do think they do a great job and placed good actors to portray them. After all John Singleton did introduce Morris Chestnut to the world. Ahhhhh, what a blessing :) . I try to support black actors, black film, black businesses and enterprises at large if they are doing the right thing. Speaking of which, there are a LOT of independent filmmakers that don’t get their just desserts. A lot of them are out there in California where you are.

Jazzpast thankyou…Ive addressed that in posts from earlier in the day when I first started reading about this TP/Spike thing…I talked about how we as Parents need to address alot of these issues at Home…Alot of things start from Home…How we talk and how we act around our children…Some of us (and Im talking about in our community) dont talk about the things we need to address for the edification of our childrens wellbeing. I will be one of the first to say that I dont like the dress issue with TP…If u look Ive never said in any of my post that glorify that part. All Im saying is that I wish we could pass that part sooo that we can see what he is truly saying. Some of us are thinking along the lines of homosexuality when they see him in that manner I guess this is what bothers me about the opinions Im seeing….BUT what Im saying is the message is sooo much deeper than that…I know that Cali thinks Im basing my thoughts off emotion but I see Everyday….what a molested child looks like…I see how they are closed off to the world because they are told not to say anything…I see Young ladies coming in and telling of being pregnant by fathers…uncles and cousins…I see women and men being battered by the ones who are supposed to you…and afraid to fall asleep at for fear that someones coming back to hurt them…I see all of this…When I watch Tyler Perrys movies…I see the reality behind it all..and this reality PLAGUES OUR COMMUNITIES AT AN ALARMING RATE! Are other communities affected like this?? Ya bet they are!! But what Im saying is about us is that its NEVER REALLY CONFRONTED!! Tyler Puts it out there for US to recognize THAT ITS A PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! Does he have to wear the dress to tell the story..maybe not…Is all that he shows in his movies Real…Yes It is…We may not agree with how the story is being told but what I think is good is that hes addressing it!! Can we at least agree on that?? Cali…of course there is always room for improvement in all of our lives..and all that u have come to recognize about yours and have come to approve upon is a good thing…Good for you…You graduated in 2006!!! Congratulations!! I hope that you continue to grow because Im definitely STILL growing and am a everyday WORK IN PROGRESS…I strive to learn from your generation aswell…What I definitely know is that there are things that I can learn from you young people…But please dont push those in generations behind you as if we have nothing left to offer…None of us are never too old or too young to learn…I came in this room because I truly found the conversation engaging…I like the fact that people are not afraid to speak their minds here…I came in here just to share a bit of what I know…I came in here to try get everyone to see past the barriers that are being talked about in regrads to whats being talked about…and to get people here to just search out for the true meanings behind this mans movies…Im not here to cause contention…just wanting to be heard like the rest of the people here…Thankyou!!!

To ADD to “try2btru” statement, I think that the MAN IN THE DRESS is to “lighten the mood” on OFTEN grim topics. The “man in the dress” approach may be deemed offensive, stereotypical and insulting but I can say (in all fairness) that is not TP’s intentions. As I have said before you cannot please everyone…it is what it is. The moment he 86′s characters like Mr. Brown and Madea he will lose his core audience. Tyler has even talked about killing Madea off (LOL)! He says that it is time consuming and rigorous to go into wardrobe,makeup and aesthetics to create this character. I can respect and understand where some of you are coming from and although you make good arguments MANY of you are not being fair and giving this brother a chance. I can better accept those who say they don’t like him or watch his film then those who go on hearsay,generalizations and stereotypes. Tyler is still relatively new and a “work in progress” and I think he is making major strides. We all have room to grow. Some of you are coming down too hard on one of your own and that is not cool. As try2btru has said…view at least 2 or 3 films WITH AN OPEN mind and in it’s ENTIRETY and let me know how you feel then. I have given Spike Lee my support as well as TP and will continue to do so.

thankyou Shamel..I really do appreciate it…Im sorry If Im not wording everything in the manner that some feel it should be stated and that I dont deem it necessary to be articulate at all times but hey it is what it is ya know?!?…Im just happy that I got to say my part…and if anyone here cant understand what Im trying to say well….thats on you!! Call me a rambler…say it dont make sense….ohh well…I guess we are entitled to our opinions….thats what makes conversation entertaining…and stimulating..

I think its funny how folks love to make excuses for others in order to make a point. a man in a dress approach is your way of saying to lighten the mood on grim topics.How convenient, so you are saying that a man cant discuss such topics without putting on a dress? I am younger than TP, I could careless what he does, but I have been in the field going around different places in this country to spread the words on the reality of sexual assault, and in not once did we have to wear a dress in order to make the mood a little less grim.The reality is, our community is messed up whether you like it or not, and reality of it has to be blamed more to black WOMEN than the good black MAN. And how do you know that it wasnt intentionally created by TP? Did he tell you this personally? Do you even have any idea of the reality of Hollywood especially for black thespians? i can give you some stories that my friends went through, and i can even bring up some stories of black actors. Like ive been saying we make excuses for everybody else and their actions and no one take the time to put accountability in the forefront.If ya’ll ok with that then dont ever complain to why negroes act the way they do.

you already know im down Jazz, I have to hold back sometimes for lack of understanding, so I try to be as ebonically inclined as possible

In the meantime for everybody I ask you to check out this group:

http://groups.blackplanet.com/myintellectualmind

Anything goes except disrespect, and u may can get away with that if u are smart enough!

And if TP needs help to kill the Madea character off, I volunteer to be the bus driver to obliterate “it” in that scene, no wages will be requested.

Stop hatin Spike!!! I love all of Tyler Perry’s movies. I think they are funny and black people need to stop worrying about what everybody thinks of us and learn to laugh more!!!! It is the best medicine. He needs to think of the times we live in, someone needs to counter this gangsta s@@t with laughter! Funny I haven’t heard him talk about that! Guess cuz it doesn’t compete with his pockets!!! Get a life and step up to keep up with competition!

I can agree with both Tyler and Spike… There are issues that need to be discussed and, there are some that would rather keep this type of dirty laundry on the hush or just assume to look the other way… However, some things are being sacrificed and, in all of Tyler movies, it seems to be the image of the black man that suffers the worst…Now don’t go and get it twisted, I too, like Tyler’s movies and characters but, after watching his movies, one might ask themselves; Are all black men abusive and non caring?? Must every strong black actor throw on a dress or act a fool to gain notoriety???? Of course it is without surprise that, black women would see this topic as one sided because, most of Tyler’s movies are basically about the plight of black women… I hope not to offend anyone, its just how I personally see it and, I am in no ways hating, I just simply agree and disagree on some levels…

WHAT THE HELL! IT’S JUST COMEDY! SHUT THE HELL UP SPIKE “DUMBAZZ” LEE…

I agree@darkrthnmost_ TP’s movies are aimed at the so called BLACK woman’s plight, BUT what TP fans fail to realize is, he puts us in a weak, inferior position. As in we cant find a good black man, cant stay married, we always get cheated on, we are angry, we get stuck with the kids, struggling etc…and personally I havent experienced any of that, so it insults me because hes worldwide with his presentation. Never have I seen a TP play/movie (yes i have seen many), that I felt like he was touching on a point that had to do with me or my plight…

ACTUALLY SPIKE LEE HAS ADDRESSED THE CURRENT RAP CULTURE BY STATING THAT HE DIDNT UNDERSTAND THE NEW RAPPERS AND ITS FOLLOWERS. THAT IN HIS DAY HIP HOP WAS ABOUT INSPIRING OUR COMMUNITY AND TODAYS RAP IS ABOUT DESTROYING IT SO GET THE FACTS BEFORE U START MAKING ACUSATIONS! AND TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY IS HATING, IS SO VAGUE! SPIKE HAS ALOT OF GOOD MOVIES UNDER HIS BELT, AND IF U LIKE ALL OF TYLER PERRY’S MOVIES AND SHOWS THAT EITHER SHOWS U JUST FOLLOW EVERYTHING HE DOES BECAUSE HE’S BLACK AND THAT U ENJOY LOW LEVEL, BAFOONERY, SLAPSTICK HUMOR AND IF THATS THE CASE GO AHEAD KEEP YOUR IQ LEVEL WAYYYYYYYY DOWN!!!

CaliFemme23 I apologize for making it sound that way, but unfortunately, you bit into the bait that I’ve set to get a point across… The point is this; In that scenario, I was the mainstream community who actually believed the negativity and you, were the intelligent one who knew the actual truth….Now do you see what I’m trying to say??? If this sort of crap gets drilled into your head long enough, it does at some point (to some people) become a type of reality that WE know is in fact stereotypical garbage.. I personally have raised my son without his mother in his life and have custody of my son’s best friend as well but, when mainstream looks at me, would they see the positive or negative brother from a TP movie or, a human being!?!?!?!?!!??!!??!?!?! Out of those three choices, which do you think mainstream will pick and remember, Flava of Love and Ms. New York was a number one show????

@darkrthnmost_you had no reason to apologize…I AGREE with everything you posted in your previous comment. I agreed and added to it myself…No need to apologize at all for making it ‘sound that way’ because thats exactly what it is…

DARKRTHNMOST U JUST MADE CALIS POINT A BROTHER LIKE U ARE ME WOUDENT CATCH TYLER PERRYS ATTENTION I KNOW PEOPLE CAN SAY LIKE DADDYS LITTLE GIRLS WAS A EXAMPLE BUT IN THAT MOVIE THE FATHER WAS A STRUGGLING MECHANIC, PROABLY NOT WELL EDUCATED, YOU HAVE TO SEE THE POSTIVIES THAT HE IS LEAVING OUT AS WELL AS THE NEGATIVE HE IS PUTTING IN NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THE MAJORITY OF HIS MOVIES ARE MAKING US LOOK REAL BAD!!!

Daddy’s Little Girls in my opinion, was one of the most piece of crap movies that I’ve ever wasted my time on… I say this because, there’s no way in hell I’d let anyone put their hands on my little ones, especially some drug dealer pimp… The brother in that movie (both negative and positive) was weak as hell!!! So, now the question is; How do we as a TRUE people get past those types of labels!?!? And, how can we, as brothers and sisters have each others back??? I ask this because, we all are guilty of jumping to conclusions after watching stereotypes of ourselves, even though we know better..CaliFemme23 I’m glad to hear you rebut so well, it is sisters like yourself that are not only the bearers of the truth but, also, a vital support system who’s true powers have not yet been tapped… We (Brothers) need you…pantherg08 it is not out of coincidence that an icon like TP is making us look bad… Our image has been drugged through for millenniums… I don’t want to start sounding all preachy because mine is not without conviction as well… Mya Agelou said “When we know better,we do better”….

I can say what I’m about to say without any biases because I like both TP and SL. MAN UP SPIKE!!!! That’s just like a black man to knock another black man’s hustle cause he don’t like and/or appreciate it. Spike has the right to his opinion, but why knock another black man down? Why try to hurt one of your own over mere opinions? Spike get a life better yet, mind your own business. There’s enough work out there, enough movies for you to make without being worried about what another man is doing – you don’t have the monopoly on playwriting/directing/producing. And even better still, learn the difference between ridicule and construtive criticism. As a black man, a veteran in this thing, why not work with Tyler? Why not offer “veteran” advice? If you’re not going to help him, then why hurt him? It’s uncalled for. I don’t like House of Payne and Meet the Browns either, but I respect his right to appeal to a fan base that does. Damn, we as black people are so fukking stupid sometimes. Get over yourself Spike, the black movie industry does not revolve around your azz. And in all fairness, had TP made those type of comments about something you were doing…I’d say the same thing. But if you pull your head outta Kobe’s azz long enough to get back to your roots then you wouldn’t have to be worried about what another man is doing.

~One

@evolution_824, my sentiments exactly. For Spike ‘the turtle’ Lee to come out and criticise like this, it makes him look jealous in my opinion. I believe he won’t offer ‘advise’ because Perry is doing quite well without it.

PS, I don’t know nothing about him and Koby tho. LOL

@EVOLUTION…….. WE NEED TO GET OF THIS BASHING ANOTHER BROTHER IS A BAD THING BUISNESS. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM BASHING PEOPLE OF DIFFRENT RACES WHY WHEN WE DO IT TO OUR OWN ITS A PROBLEM? AND SPIKE LEE WAS TALKING ABOUT TYLERS SHOWS HOUSE OF PAIN AND MEET THE BROWNS NOT HIS MOVIES!!! AND AS FAR AS GETTING BACK TO OUR ROOTS HOW WHEN SHOWS LIKE THAT AND THE MOVIES TYLER PUTS OUT ARE WE GOING TO PROGRESS AS A RACE? WE NEED TO CRITICISE ONE ANOTHER, WE NEED TO CRITICISE PEOPLE LIKE AL SHARPTON, AS WELL AS RUSH LIMBAUGH. BEING BLACK DOES NOT GIVE U A PASS!! SO EVOLUTION U NEED TO EVOLVE! BECAUSE UNTILL WE ADDRESS PEOPLE THAT SPEAK FOR US WE WILL NEVER BE REPERSENTED RIGHT!!!

IF WE DONT START CRITICISING OUR SELVES AS WELL AS OTHERS WE WILL NEVER BE CREDIBLE, WE WILL NEVER BE TAKING SERIOUS. WE CRY RACISM AND STEROYTYPES WHEN OTHER RACES DO IT BUT WHEN WE DO IT WE GIVE IT A PASS! THATS WHY PEOPLE CANT TAKE US SERIOUS!! TRUST ME SPIKE LEE IS NOT HURTING FOR MONEY THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT TYLYER PERRYS SHOWS AND MOVIES DID NOT JUST START WITH SPIKES COMMENTS, ME AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A LONG TIME AGO!!

@Panthergr08…I wasn’t adressing you personally when I made my initial comment. But since you adressed me, I’ll address you. If you read my comment, I said there is a difference between tearing someone down and constructive criticism. Spike wasn’t offering construstive criticism, he was ridiculing someone because HE didn’t like what TP was doing. So! It’s a control thing, I guess if Spike ain’t doing it then it ain’t being done right. And I also said in a nutshell, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one and his isn’t right just because he’s Spike. Also, and to reiterate, I was referring to the article and not anything you or anyone else said here…matter of fact, I didn’t bother to read anything you said prior to posting my comment and I still haven’t…my comments were not addressing you it was addressing the article. And when I said “roots”, I was referring to Spike’s passion of writing and producing – his words, not mine. I also think I specifically mentioned House of Payne and Meet the Browns in my comment. You taking this way too personal to be an internet post. I stand by my original comment.

And I’ll evolve at my own pace thank you very much…you can evolve at yours. Not that you know me at all to make comments like that, so I’ll take it that something I said must have offended you…interesting when the article wasn’t about you or anything you said. But oh well…peace.

@EVOULUTION SPIKE WAS NOT TEARING TYLER PERRY DOWN JUST BECAUSE HE CRITICISED HIS 2 SHOWS HE DID NOT COMMENT ON TYLER PERRY AS A PERSON BUT THE MATIERIAL THAT HE PUTS OUT. U SEEM TO BE THE ONE TAKING IT PERSONALL NOT ME! AND MY COMMENTS ARE FOR ANYBODY THAT READS THEM IF U DO NOT CHOOSE TO READ THEM THATS FINE, BUT I WILL READ EVERYBODYS.IT IS FACINATING TO ME TO READ THE COMMETS OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT TYLER PERRY THATS WHY I READ ALL OF THEM. AND I WAS ADDRESSING THE ISSUE THAT U SAID THAT SPIKE SHOULD GET A LIFE. I DONT THINK THAT U KNOW THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND RICICULE BECAUSE SPIKE LEE DID NOT ATTACK TYLER PERRYS PERSOANL LIFE HE CRITICISED HIS ART AND RIGHTFULLY SO!!!!

So! It’s a control thing, I guess if Spike ain’t doing it then it ain’t being done right.

Evolution you hit the nail on the head when you said this, I don’t care what nobody says. And this is not the first time Mr. Turtle has come down with both feet on a black director/writer/actor.

He does think he should be the only one. I bet Perry has made more money than him, if not more, he is gaining on him. Perry is more popular also.

Tsk tsk tsk!!!! Can’t even have an intellectual disagreement without an argument…
“To revolve to evolve the self respect,
cause we got to keep ourselves in check,
or else it’s…………. As said by Chuck D on Self Destruction..

I guess those two are the next to sit down with Oprah and have a meaningful heart to heart about why they can’t just get along… You have got to love the way the media got nigga’s hatin on each other while other folks just sit back and laugh…

@ DarkrThnMost, I didn’t read all of your comments but I do agree wholeheartedly with your “initial” comment because it was fair and objective. You started off by saying you AGREED with both Tyler and Spike. Now let’s work with that as a common ground and go from there. EVERYONE has opinions (that is stating the obvious) and Spike is entitled to feel the way he does. However, what was so hard about him calling Tyler up and having this discussion in private? There will be a million rebuttals to that question but at the end of the day that was “messy”. There is room for both of them. Whites want to “conquer & divide” but they can have a front seat to this because we are doing it to ourselves. If I have a problem with you I am not going to call News 13 on my fellow brother in the community…I am going straight to the SOURCE! If we can sit down and hash things out I want to do that. Most of the TP supporters are also Spike Lee advocates but I see the MAJORITY of the comments I read that are “anti TP” are placing the greatest emphasis on Mr. Brown and Madea when they are NOT in every Tyler Perry movie. I am not saying the man is genius, praising him or holding him in some regard larger than life but I do RESPECT he is making a honest hustle and had the “rags to riches” climb to success. Furthermore, he has brought undiscovered talent to the forefront. As someone else has said before if you want to point fingers place them at churches, entertainers, community leaders, politicians etc. etc. Hell, even some of these lousy parents. Ya’ll placing too much responsibility on one man and that is not fair. I don’t know…maybe I try to give people the benefit of the doubt because I am SICK & TIRED of blacks being “crabs in a barrell”…dragging each other down. We will always be where we are with that attitude and conveniently sitting in that comfort zone of blaming everyone else as opposed to the real culprits which is waaaaaaaay bigger than TP. I guess I just see the bigger picture!

@kuchicruckngdnglng just what i’ve been saying all along!!!! lol. im glad somebody eles sees whats really going on here!

BTW, evolution_824, I agree with you and a lot of other brothers who came to TP’s aide. At the end of the day it’s fighting a losing battle. OVER 300 comments back & forth over the same s#!t and no common ground. This is indicative of Black America…so divided and that is SO SAD (smh)!

In a way this reminds me of Kool Moe Dee (sp?) and how he had a problem with LL Cool J. He had lots of criticism for young LL, such as his fan base wore high heels, he only knew how to lick his lips and say “know what I’m saying”. I can’t remember it all, but Moe Dee had some of the same things to say as Lee. LL had not initiated any of this, he was just a young aspiring rapper at the time. But you see who is still here and who fell off. It sounded like desperate jealousy then and it sounds like it now.

This is not some great divide and I refuse to believe that we as a people will be conquered for something this damn petty…Nor is this some way for us all to find a common ground, PUHLEESE spare me.. What this is, is a healthy discussion on opposing opinions.. The fact is, both directors have something to say…They are in the position to make sure that it reaches the masses and, the masses WILL sometimes go with what they see.. I, want TP to try and even things out because, I sincerely believe that we are so much more than what we are being fed…In the meantime, for those of you who can’t seem to discuss issues without jumping down someone’s throat or belittling someone simply because they disagree, my suggestion is for you to stay off of these forums until you learn that, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and will not necessarily see things your way…

Kool Moe Dee and LL Cool J was a good analogy. I also look at it as simple as a DIFFERENCE in opinion. I love Italian food….you may hate it. Should you criticize me for indulging in carbs just because you don’t eat it? Silly comparison but this is even more REDICULOUS to me. I respect Spike Lee and his work. He has the “black activist/supremist” view on things and TP is a bit more lighthearted. However, what is wrong with respecting ones DIFFERENCES??? He should’ve agreed to disagree and keep it moving. I actually think it is a good thing they don’t make the same kind if film beccause it offers a “variety”. Hell, there is plenty of room for them both. My thing is they should be sitting down plotting on a TAKEOVER of Hollywood instead of squabbling over this bs that white America is laughing “AT” us over. I suggest people on this blog do the same and quit jumping on one side or the other without looking at the FULL SPECTRUM of things. Being too quick to take sides causes many to miss out!

WOW! If I knew you weren’t going to “READ” (mentally absorb) all I typed I wouldn’t have wasted my time typing it. Another one proves my point…a LOT of talking but very little listening (smh)!!!

I agree with ‘kuchicrunk…’ Maybe Oprah does need to have the two on her show to hash it all out in person so we all can get to the true meaning of both sides…And I dont think most people know that Spike didnt just come on out and say ‘hey Perry is garbage’..He was actually ASKED what did he THINK/FEEL about Perry in the media and his two TV shows..Spike just gave his honest opinion which he had the right to do. If no one wanted to know how he felt..they shouldnt have asked him…

I’ve seen people have Flamin’ Hot Cheetos and Dr. Pepper for breakfast. Just because people do it doesn’t mean it’s not junk.

Tyler Perry has every right to coon and buffoon and cross-dress til his heart’s content… all the way to the bank. And people have the right to go and pay good money to see it.

But just because people pay to watch doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not buffoonery.

I don’t usullay agree with Spike Lee but. he is right on onthis…this simlple cooner/bafoonert esp..Madea..character is also so played out ..on a comedic level also overdone by black comedians stated out w/Flip Wilson as Greladine… ok funny haha back in the day OKAY??? but we do we really need to be clowns to be funny..Putting on the dress routine streotypes is what comedians do when they can’t think of anyotherto be funny white or black..and when blacks do it..It is usual negative over the top stereotype.. inrcedibly stupid .overweight, overbearing.or .ghetto auntjemima…Black comedy can be more sophisticated than this ..but when the creative juices stop flowing or we are only intrested profit or the easyway out coonin nd bafoonin.. When white comedians “sell out” do this no one cares.. they just bomb out at the box office or the the networks cancels them…when black comedy goes for cheap stereotype we flock to..and all the Rush Limbaughs of the world couldn’t be happier…

Lots of good points people, especially this one prev posted:

He should’ve agreed to disagree and keep it moving. I actually think it is a good thing they don’t make the same kind if film beccause it offers a “variety”. Hell, there is plenty of room for them both. My thing is they should be sitting down plotting on a TAKEOVER of Hollywood instead of squabbling over this bs.

Don’t hate! participate and congratulate! and espcially agree to disagree, without name calling because of an opinion.

Oh PUH-leez Spike! Let the man live! He’s giving blacks a job and doing his thing. I love me some T.P & Madea! Hell, if he were writing the same kinds of films you were, hell, you’d be jumping your short a$$ up and down hollerin’ about he’s (biting) your style! This is like the R& B star being asked what does he or she think of the successful, black Country & Western or Japanese singing star! Just because you are black doesn’t mean you can’t dare to be different and do what YOU WANT TO DO!

Stop trying to CONTROL people and let them be themselves! I wonder if ole Spike distanced himself when he played “Noxeema” the Transvestite in Wong Foo..? I wonder what he’s thought of other black actors playing Transvestite roles on the screen in order to pay the bills?!? Stop hating on my man, Tyler and just let us enjoy him until we don’t anymore. Don’t be mad ’cause his movies, plays and DVD sales continue to break box office records, like yours don’t. It’s T.P’s time to shine and shine on he does!

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I MEANT to say: I wonder if ole Spike distanced himself when ((WESLEY SNIPES)) played “Noxeema” the Transvestite in Wong Foo..? I hope and pray that we don’t find out that behind CLOSED DOORS, Spike takes a ‘shine’ to those specialized…um, ladies! You know what they say about someone crying the loudest and most publicly about an ‘issue.’ They’re usually the MAIN ones taking enjoyment of it! So WATCH yourself Spike. Something (a size 13-15 pump) might come falling out your closet! Hahahahaha!!

BlackMiss62: OUCH! That hit hard. LOLOL!

Spike is simply jealous of Tyler Perry’s overwhelming success.

1st, momono3..it was Canibus, and not Kool Moe Dee.
But i understand where Spike is coming from. He’s the only minority director being taken seriously. Even Tyler knows this, thats why he’s considered given Madea up. Soon people will be sayting “remember that tall guy in the dress…” and Spike will STILL be a controversial (but still taken seriously) figure. Spike WANTS more people out there with him, LONG term an seriously considered.

Totally agreeing with Spike. When I watch Tyler Perry movies, I, along with several friends, get very angry. Think about it like this. He has taken the image of the most precious, most honored and revered figure in the Black community, THE BLACK GRANDMOTHER, and made a mockery of it. She is viewed at ignorant, illiterate, “ghetto”, and all kinds of negative monikers. Perry’s interpretation is the modern-day man in blackface in the food stamp line instead of shining shoes and hanging out clothes. Black people get enough negative press without us making a**es out of ourselves. As a matter of fact, as the Lord is my witness, I was working yesterday (I’m a nursing home nurse) and I was angered when a white families were trying to tell me about Madea’s Family Reunion and was talking about the people’s actions right before the bell was rang. They really think this is how most black people are and they commented on how they are so glad that most of the staff are not “typical black people.” Ignorant on their part, yes, but equally so that Perry sticks us as a race out there to be viewed as a bunch of ignoramuses. I am not an imbecile and do not like being referred to as such. Successful my behind!

Would you sell our soul to take a pic eating watermelon, chicken, and grits in a food stamp line with a grill and a chain with a noose around your neck? Is it not enough that we almost have to hide anything ethnic about ourselves in order to climb the latter and make real money outside of the entertainment industry? (I wear my afro as a nurse because I refuse to conform.)Or that I children are forced to learn history in school that is nothing but lies (like the White People landed on Plymouth Rock and the Native Americans “helped” them, knowing the whole time Black people came here before they even thought about it and the Native Americans bury their family with food and items needed for the afterlife and white people robbed graves and forced them into slavery and tried to kill the rest)? It kills me to hear them holler that “we’re pure blooded Americans and this is our land.” Everything about this country was designed to exclude people of color. Ever notice any ethnicity with light/white complexion and slick hair can come to America, even going to college for free on Visas, and be successful, and Black people, education or not, still have serious issues? From the car lot to health care, housing and education, everything is designed for people of color to fail. Tyler Perry is just reminding them of everything they hate about us and why we don’t deserve anything… Tyler is perpetuating every stereotype ever created about us. And on top of that, notice how BLACK MEN are unfairly portrayed in his movies. Hell, even the Hispanic guy got a more respectful image! And how many Hispanic men do YOU know that intentionally try to shower a Black woman with love and affection?

Black people, wake up and realize what Spike is trying to tell you all. Do not sell your soul for the almighty dollar!

Much love!

That was a very ignorant thing to say about Mr. Perry’s Madea character. If what Tyler Perry is doing is coonery, then what should we think of the films he’s made. Do The Right Thing, Mo’Better Blues and on top of that Jungle Fever, which are all African American films centered and geering towards problems in our communities and homes. I think Spike should’ve stood back and looked at the big picture on that one, because technically it’s the same thing just different aspects.

Hmmm…so now that we have a Black President in the White House suddenly Blacks can only be depicted in one form in films; regardless of the many representations of our Black culture that exist in America. SPIKE LEE offers an opinion but obviously Tyler Perry’s fan base thinks otherwise perhaps they see his work for the entertainment values it offers not as coonery or offensive. And for those of you who do feel that way… don’t support his work keep your dollars in your own pocket then! I’m glad to live in a country whereas on any given day if I want to express myself as a Black educated woman or display my “inner Madea” I can. Lighten up folks!

Calm down sister 1FYNE-Summer.What`s going on with them is happening with other races as well. People disagree about how we are percieved and sometimes with good reason. The key is to not fall into the trap of hating your self because of how others act out sometimes. What Tyler is doing is what a lot of us know and have expericenced.The fact that`s it`s funny is only cause we know people like them in our real lives.

I know people like you who are embarresed to eat watermelon in public. Cause of what someone might think of them. That shouldn`t be a concern to you.
We are too restricted by how we think others will judge us.I do the same but Iam glad that my kids have never felt that way. Once you start judgeing others by how they make us look you find yourself hating that part of yourself cause are ashamed for that persons actions. Ever noticed how white folks do so many Crazy things in our way of thinking. It`s cause they don`t give a —- what others think. We can`t killing ourselves inside with hi blood pressure and things bought on from stressing out about the actions of a few.

This is from someone who has and still does at times.
Dwalker

Spike Lee didn’t have a grandmother like Madea lol!!!

@Xsquare, LL did have a beef with Canibus, you are correct. But he also had one with Kool Moe Dee, I just don’t remember which was first.

i just how some one would even get mad over the lifestyle that us (african americans) live.whether it’s coonery or not ,that’s just the type of lifestyle that we go through or have been through.in my opinion, tyler is only trying to give his fans what they want ,not insult us as black people.he also results to the struggles and lifestyles they we all go through ,but he also creates that into a positve image of his own character by helping others as well by reineventing from a negative perspective into a positve one.people needs to stop hating and let this man do what he does best by trying to give us good plays and shows.

WOW!!!!! I’ve been gone from this topic a little too long!!! 1FYNE_SUMMER, you hit the nail dead on the head, do not allow anyone to tell you different.. I totally agree with you especially about how brothers are portrayed in a TP movie, not to mention that his movies almost always carry the same storyline of; Naive black woman gets abused by monstrous black man, she, then becomes, vulnerable black woman who ends up with pretty and gentle black man who has all of the answers…

It’s so sad because we can always count on our own race to tear one another down. I can say that I have not had characters like those in my family but I have had similar characters as so many of you has also. Spike I love ya man but you need to give Tyler his props because he has cleaned the floor up with you on it. He is a genius that can create the laughter we need today and slap you with the cold realty of everyday life. Life is hard and so da– difficult but being able to laugh your troubles away with good clean humor that have your jaws hurting makes us all feel good. You know we can always read too much into anything in life but the hard cold truth is those kind of people exist in every race. Guess what and we all have laughed about our family’s crazy stunts! What’s wrong with black men? Why must we always figure this world and it’s wealth only belong to you. Have you ever heard of sharing, there is more than enough to go around!!! Grow Up Spike And Take Lessons A New Man Is In Town, Oops My Bag, A New Woman Is In town!! Chill Out!!

I’m sorry but i think us as black people have too many damn opinions .. You don’t see white folks attacking movies … ie Something about Mary, American Pie … It is what it is>!!! Damn, @ least we have a brotha putting us on the screen and voicing another side of reality.. There will neva be a universal opinion or point of view, but there will always be another side to express … and that can happen much faster if we stop choppin our own people down by the knees>!!

jayslay34 the only thing that you should be apologizing for is the fact that you think that we have too many opinions, what the heck were thinking by saying such a thing!?!?!?!… If we didn’t have many opinions, this would be something opposite of “open discussion”.. Freedom of Speech and expression is a great thing!!!! Do not think for one second that, Spike wasn’t faced with the same dilemma of making more money at the expense of an entire race and culture as well… Every black actor, producer writer and entertainer is faced with that … Spike, Denzel, Danny Glover, Ozzie Davis, etc have all come to this fork in the road… Some chose to do better and some, continue to try and do what they think pleases others or, to make that paper.. A question was ask of Oprah Winfrey not long ago..” How much of yourself did you give up to get where you are”…. Think about it!!!

We as African-Americans aren’t a monolithic,single-minded group of people.We represent many facets of life,class,religions,etc.To suggest that we all act in a cetain way to maintain a certain level of dignity is far more demeaning than any character portrayed in a movie.Tyler Perry’s movies are a breath of fresh air in a time when Hollywood has basically ignored the black audience.

And Oh yeah.Didn’t Spike Lee have a movie called Bamboozled where the characters wore blackface?How degrading is that?

Spike Lee is just hating on Tyler Perry cuz hes makin that paper, but why? He has his own perspective on entertainment such as “Malcolm X” and “Do The Right Thing” and Tyler Perry has his. White people dont even have to put us down, criticize, ridicule, critique or hate on us because we do it to eachother and thats the saddest thing about the black culture. Every other race stick togethor and back each other up, but not us, and I use the term “us” very loosely. Every chance black people get to knock another black person down, whether on tv or on the street, they do it. Just like in slavery times when blacks were divided into house niggas and field niggas. Its sad that were still divided in that way today. With times as hard as they are, I appreciate Tyler Perrys interpretation of entertainment. Since when is comedy considered “coonery?” I love his plays and i love to laugh and his live plays are hilarious and as a matter a fact Im goin to one Nov. 6th called “Laugh To Keep From Crying”. Based on these comments most of you need a good laugh. An 1Fynesummer, Im also a nurse and i dont walk around sporting a fro but i still get hated on by whites and blacks because i dont talk like the black girls and i dont look like the white girls and most of what you said is correct and thats why its important for black parents to teach their own children about african american history because your right, they wont learn it in school. All black people dont have afros and an education just like all black people arent on welfare and criminals so whats wrong with viewing things from another perspective? How are black actors, singers, and entertainers responsible for representing a whole race when our whole race is not the same?

I guess instead of makin a honest living he should be broke, homeless and sleepin in his car like he use to be…LOL…Yall funny as hell!

Id much rather spend my saturday night at a play than at a club with a bunch of half naked drunk females trying to dance around and get attention from a man…now thats bafoonery

Spike Lee is right

a lot of ppl on here have done a lot WORST for cash(pair of kicks, hair-do,full set,ONE RENT PAYMENT) that don’t even compete with the millions he’s made.

a lot worst.

dont sweep around someone else’s door way till u sweep urz first.

@@@ DarkerThnMost… Thank you! You get the gist of what I am saying, like every black woman in his movies needs a Captain Save A…

@@@ CaramelLuv4U25, if you didn’t get my note, allow me to put you on blast. Since what I said was so ignorant and you are so intelligent and educated, my Love, let me give it to you from a TYLER PERRY BIBLICAL STANDPOINT.

Hosea 4:6 says “MY PEOPLE WILL PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE”

I will assure you I am not lacking in education, IQ, or finances. It is apparent that I am not the oblivious one here and for people like you, ignorance is bliss. Stay Happy! :X

I have an opinion and mine is this. The BLACK MAN has enough issues without him continuing to portray them like they are woman beaters who don’t want a job, don’t take care of their kids, get high and drunk or selling, and party like rock stars, cheating and living with their mamas and driving pimped out rides! I am tired of him portraying the BLACK WOMAN like she is a ghetto welfare case with kids and drama, no baby daddy and no direct, that’ll “bust yo windows out yo car”, looking for love in the wrong places and waiting on a sympathetic man with a red cape and an S on his chest to save her from herself. Then he throws Madea and friends in it acting a donkey, and starts singing songs in the name of God that remind you of Dreamgirls. LOL Can we get a positive movie about black love please? The stuff he’s talking about is the same things most of us see in our communities on a DAILY BASIS and are trying to change and not because we are afraid of being judged. It needs to be changed and it is up to us to do it. We have enough strikes against us already.

Okay. Let him make a movie like that about ***another race*** and see what kind of press he gets and how many MORE movies he’ll be able to make after that!!!

Watch this movie from the 1970′s called “Goodbye Uncle Tom” online when you all get a change. Google it please!!! It was outlawed in the United States because the images were so close to what really happened in slavery that White People feared a riot. They were having enough problems with movies like Roots… (I know white people here in the South caught HELL during “Roots Week” when we were in school.)

Oh! @@@ CaramelLuv4U25.. .SPike Lee’s movie had a moral of the story at the end. What lesson are your learning in TP’s? As a black woman I guess it would be “I wanna be saved!!!” *singing Captain SAve A* LOL

will you have my kids 1fyne_summer???
pllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzz?

well I see Tyler Perry and Spike Lee
as the Malcolm X and Martin Luther King of the days…

Different attitude.. sending message in the same manner.
indeed, we do want to set that image that should be represented.
However, Each of us can relate to a character in the tyler perry movies or know someone like that..

it’s like asking Martin to use Malcolm method or vice versa..
think about.

two brains with the same base to push an idea in different stylish way

Why would Spike Lee name call Tyler Perry-in the first place? Because in the eyes of the WHITE MAN THEY BOTH ARE N!GGERS. Spike need to STOP with the threwing of the stones.

I dont really find Browns or Payne funny but I respect Tyler Perry for filling a void that has been left ever since the The Cosby Show went off the air.

Spike is entitled to his opinion! How ever Tyler expresses himself in other ways. Ok so Spikes first movie was she’s got to have it!That movie made you famous! Then you went on to make other movies with serious overtones with some comedy.
Here comes Tyler with a light-hearted serious overtones,yet they are not so explicitly sexual and for that you call him a coon and bafoon??? What ever happend to creative license?
News flash Spike you are not the only black movie producer/director actor. Put away the bitter apples and go make another movie.

I’m not crazy about the Madea character who is illiterate and totes around a gun to resolve issues. I’m all for TP adding comedy to his work but using a stereotypical over the top (ghetto) grandma is the easy way to get cheap laughs.

From what I am reading it sounds like most people haven’t watched Tyler’s interview in it’s ENTIRETY. Furthermore, it does not appear that many have been OBJECTIVE enough to hear his side (explanation) as to why he inputs these character’s into his film and the inspiration behind it. Most people who are siding with TP have “one sided” views on things and are not willing to deviate from that. I took the liberty of watching 60 minutes Sunday and he talked about his childhood, went back into his community, and introduced the world to two elderly women who were representative of his “Madea” characters. He said that Madea is the elderly lady who may discipline your kids, carry a gun to protect herself from the hoodlums and gang bangers in the neighborhood, as well has offer up a message of hope and promise. This is HIS reality…may not be mine or your but it is his. That is what you call CREATIVE CONTROL…he owns his s#!t and can do that. At the end of the day I respect anyone’s opinion but it was very misplaced. Too many talkers and not enough listeners. We can all point fingers…but what does that accomplish???

typo below: I meant to type “most who side with SPIKE LEE (not TP)”

I grew up with grandmothers like Madea. I am from the Atlanta area and I have family in the deep south. These characters resonate with me. And in reality looking at whats being played on television as a whole. In comparison to The buffoonery of Will Ferrell and other white actors and actress of hollywood, I think Tyler Perry is doing a fantastic job of creating major films, lead black female roles (since black females are under represented in films), and story lines injected with morals. I get so tired of seeing black women typecast as naggy, loud, and b***hy, its nice to have a movie that shows that black woman cry, get hurt, or any other variety of emotions we deal with. However, I will say, Yes we do need more black writers and screen writers and directors in Hollywood. However, we need to support them fiscally to see more of that. I mean, we praise David Chapelle, who created the white “N****r Family” on his comedic show, but we disdain Tyler Perry?? That’s ridiculous. Spike Lee needs to worry about his own lack of film production and stop generating tabloid sensations by starting beef with Tyler Perry. We need to support each other as black artists and not tear each other down.

Comparing Dave Chappelle to TP is like Apple and Orange. Thats like comparing Richard Pryor to Dolomite. Then you’re going to bring up Will Ferrell, are you serious? I didnt know he has that much influence in the our community.SMH

What a shame… It seems like black people dont like to see other black people succeed. As if we are up against enough already. As if we dont know how to shut up if we dont have anything nice to say. Everybody’s a rapper these days. Everybody has beef with someone. Live and let live. The wonderful thing about movies is YOU DON’T HAVE TO WATCH WHAT YOU DON’T WANT TO WATCH! However, if you haven’t watched that many TP movies then your opinion is invalid. I can honestly say that if you think that TP’s movies are stereotypical and are casting black men and women as the same character type in every movie, YOU’RE WRONG! There are so many different views he’s showing. Funny part about it, IT’S JUST A FREAKIN’ MOVIE… Purely entertainment! TP can do worst and I’ve been dying to see another Spike Lee joint… He needs to shut up and get back to work! Speaking of stereotypes… As if his movies aren’t full of them. Spike Lee has been in the game for so long though, he needs to give Mr. Perry a chance to GROW… But, what remains true through all this drama is EVERYTHING AINT FOR EVERYBODY!

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I love Tyler Perry’s messages and get them, and I also get Spike Lee’s. I think Tyler has a great point. What would be amazing, I think they should come together and really make a difference. They have the power to make a difference.
Racism is awful and the sad thing is that EVERY race gets discriminated
against. So in many ways we are all fighting the same battle.Two wrongs
never make it right. It’s wonderful CNN has stepped up to the plate ( CNN’s “Latino In America” ft. Chingo Bling
Source: http://www.youtube.com)I think, Why the Movie CRASH was so
needed for the 20th century. Love see’s no color we must love all God’s
creations. appreciate the message..

Bait? Could he not bait with positive images? He’s a problem that must be eliminated.

Bad writing and cheap humor pisses most people off.

Spike need to sit his b***h ass down somewhere he’s just pissed cause he hasn’t had a hit movie since do the right thing or she’s got to have it… And he wants to talk about coonery? WOW… How the f**k do you explain Radio Raheem in the movie do the right thing. Or the loud and obnoxious Puerto rican chick that talked a hundred miles a minute? Spike doesn’t want to talk sterotypes depicted in movies. Let sleeping dawgs lie Spike, really… The best thing Spike Lee has ever done was, WHEN THE LEVEE’S BROKE. He’s pissed because out of all the years he’s been doing his thing he has yet to reach the accomplishments that T.P has accomplished. The smart thing to do is jump on the money train while it’s still moving, like Oprah did. Even though she doesn’t need the money she is a business woman first. Get a clue Spike, I’m not a big fan of T.P but most of his movie’s have a great positive impact on our society today (Period). I don’t see Madea or Mr. Brown when the story line comes together I just see the message.

“DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE”—PUBLIC ENEMY
DAYUM SHAME YOU ENTERTAINED THIS, THIS IS N****RDOM!!
U niggaz kill me….MAD 4 WHAT???!!!
this is the method that has been used since, 4ever(willie lynchism) and the media is not biased, they are who they are and thats 2 demonize U as a whole “by any means necessary”!!!
Now, the fascination of these Homosexuals (not Gays—thats a form of word play, definition 4 Gay N any dictionary means Happy, and we all know that Homo’s are not comfortable with themselves) back 2 da H.W.A’s=Homo’s with attitudes…what right do you want??? U really want the right 2 xpress your sexuality outside the confines of your homes where it should be kept you have A dayum Parade why??? U all parade around anyway and the Wendy Williams show is an abomination!! We are from the ORIGINAL TRIBES!!! no homosexual or caveman activities we ruled with Philosophy (ask socrates, Math, Universe, our Dialect, Artistry(pyramids and art inside the great tombs)Pottery, Time, Astrological Time, Gold, Diamonds, Spices,Africa has the RICHEST SOIL ON THIS PLANET!!)LGBT is the script U will B fed and wonder why so many black youths are turnin to this trend or phenomenom, I C a lot of young brothers on some homo sh*t and young sisters that get more pu$$y than I do now this is not hereditary(if you are born of this then U are cursed??)!!…during Slavery U all speak of the 4fathers being molesters well, who do you think they molested??? their slaves!!! slaves where brought just 4 this satisfaction, do your homework on Kush and the great empires along the nile and in Asia we never had homosexual traits, so due 2 this black holocaust..men wonder and mentally fight themselves for feeling this way and having unpure thoughts about another man and wonder why is this inside their conscious??? U come from A lineage of slaves and you may have a relative within that lineage that was used in homosexual rituals…they formed clubs (google Bohemian Grove)…do your homework and cut Tv and Cable off because U won’t get this info in school either you must INFORM AND RE-EDUCATE YOURSELF!!! slow mufukers.. and stop feedin N2 his bulls**t they didn’t even provide gas they just farted and you niggas made it ablaze

i take no sides on either party. I will say, stop going against one another, and if you got a chance to shine, shine. nothing is wrong with laughter, and nothing is wrong with telling the truth. if two minds came together, and taught history, and made us laugh look what we can accomplish.

YOU KNOW WHAT WHY DONT TP & SL, DO A MOVIE ABOUT OUR HIDDEN HISTORY.

There may be a reason that “hollywood” avoided those types, Perry! Hollyweird always portrays blacks in a negative or stereotypical light. And now you jiggaboo antics added fuel to the fire. Besides that why would you try so hard to court Hollywood? I’ll tell you why. It’s the same reason why most churches are in business……m-o-n-e-y! Perry is out trying to make a quick buck, while perpetuating the art of the minstrel show and making blacks look ignorant. And the sad part about it is that all that some of you see is the fact that he’s getting paid. I guess that some of you can be easily swayed by the amassment of funds! Can I buy your soul, too?

And it’s funny how BP would publish this transvestite (Madea was supposed to be dead by now, but he won’t stop wearing the damned costume)right in the middle of a slew of reports on homosexuality. Besides that, Mr. Perry has quite the vernacular for a professed “man of God” (He was PISSED off y’all)

You can say pissed, but not s**te…. it’s all excrement!

@cestleon

Oh i am on it too. where can I invest in eradicating zombies in our community? Bunch of products of the idiot box, flopping your gums from your emotional reactionary state rather than logical and practical.

comeon spike be proud of tyler perry im not a fan of his but i support him you of all people should know you made white people proud with that statement you should apoligize and just fallback.

Spike just mad that he’s gettn old and his time is up, and he ran out og ideas, and how u durrrrrnnnn

Sorry, but I have to agree with Spike Lee. I’ve watched House Of Payne and Meet The Browns, and I concur; it’s sheer buffoonery! Mr. Brown is illiterate. Can’t read, write, always mispronouncing words, or using the wrong word. Displaying lack of education, and this is meant to be funny??? My great-grandmother said it was AGAINST THE LAW for blacks to be educated. Now that we have the right to be, we chose to be stupid and make jokes about it? Same thing with House Of Payne; the son, Calvin has been in college for 8 years and hasn’t graduated. More jokes being made about this too. The uncle always singing, dancing and telling crack jokes. Come on! These shows are not humorous at all.

I think that Spike Lee is just mad that he didn’t think of it first!! He should just own his own accomplishments and stop negating the success of others. Different things appeal to different types of people! Spike Lee is really forgetting his movie “Girl Six” that movie was awful! And his movies are biased and full of stereotypes!

I love Spike Lee, but sometimes he should talk to the person directly instead of spreading rumours in the media. One black director dissing another black director in public like that is just bad news when there aren’t that many of them in Hollywood to begin with. What is Spike thinking about???

Being a black anything in Hollywood is doubly difficult. A black director can’t make comedies starring country black folks without being accused of buffoonery, but a white director can make all the dumb comedies he wants and no one ever questions his intelligence. Why the double-standard? Not fair.

The division between “house n****rs” and “field n****rs” is still very precident in America today…so sad. Im grateful for Dolemite, Superfly, A hero aint nothin but a sandwich, Gone with the wind and Uncle Toms Cabin because if it wasnt for those movies there would be no Tyler Perry or Spike Lee. How see we forget.

I guess people just wont understand. ive had jobs when i have heard white co-workers ask me if i live the life that is potrayed in those madea movies and tp’s tv shows it is annoying! white people already have a picture on how we are tp’s movies are more less confirming those stereyotypes. its hard enough to make it, potraying us in these ways are damaging to hard working educated black men and women that handle they buisness. And i know a lot of black women who dont need somebody to come and save them!! And on the relegion tip i beleive in god, praying does not answer all my problems, hard work and determination does! unlike these tp movies potraying that everything is gonna be fine if u JUST pray!!

Do the Right Thing, was about a pizza delivery boy who did everything but deliver pizza. Even stopped and got him a little tail. There was that hot headed Radio Rahim, the trouble maker who wondered why no blacks were on the wall, etc, etc. She Gotta Have It was about a ‘liberated’ black woman who liked multiple partners, one of which had to ‘tame’ her with his pole. There was School Daze which made a villian out of light skinned blacks, which is intra-racial racism. Again sex was used to ‘bring a woman down a notch’. Bamboozled made no sense at all and was downright depressing. Spike can’t help Perry out because he needs advice his dmm self. I would rather live a life with a woman and family like Madea has than to live like a Spike Lee movie ‘plot’.

Watched both TP’s comedies and BOTH aren’t funny. The short, stocky guy with the loud clothes remind me of Amos & Andy(better acted, but racist) but at least that guy never said “DYNOMITE”!

I LOVE TYLER PERRY AND SPIKE LEE THEY MOVIES AND SHOWS TELL A LOT ABOUT HOW WE AS BLACK PEOPLE CAME A LONG WAY FROM WHERE WE STARTED FROM SPIKE LEE’S SCHOOL DAZE TO ME WAS WORST THEN ANY OF TYLER PERRY’S SHOWS. I BELIEVE WE AS BLACK PEOPLE ALWAYS TRYING TO CRITICIZE EACH OTHER AND BLAME IT ON THE WHITE PEOPLE WHEN WE ARE OUR WORST ENEMY. SO IF IT IS BUFOONERY TO LAUGH AT A COMEDY SHOW OF ALL BLACK PEOPLE THEN YOUR BOOGSIE BEHIND NEED TO GO BACK AND WATCH ARCHIE BUNKER AND GOODTIMES AND YOU WOULD SEE THE DIFFERENCE.

So basically a white man can make Good Times (which I loved) the Jeffersons The Cleveland Show (with a white guy doing a BLACK MANS Voice) and other “black shows” and there is little outcry BUT let an actual Black Man do a show on the same level as Modern Family, The Tortellis or My name is Earl (and employ Black actors in the process) as Tyler has done and there is an issue. Black People suffer from the same issue as women… We care too much what others think. What do I care that others may call me n*gger or Uncle Tom (when most Black people never even read the book) or a buffoon if I know I am a MAN! People need to be stronger.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER CASE OF TYPICAL HATEING. SPIKE LEE IS MAD BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ITS ALL ABOUT TYLER PERRY . SHES GOTA HAVE IT COME ON SPIKE WHATS THAT ??? PORTRAYING THE BLACK SISTA AS A HOE STOP CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK TYLER PERRY.

Those of you who agree with Spike Lee’s view that Tyler Perry’s sitoms “Meet the Browns” and “House of Payne” as “coonery and buffoonery” are sticking your heads in the sand. There are black and white people that are like Mr. Brown. I live in a rual area in SC where 60% of the population is illiterate. Where people use such phase as “is you” instead of “are you”, and the misuse of there, they, and their. Weake up people and stop acting like all black folks are educated and use proper English. When are we as a people going to stop bad mouthing each other especially to the white media and start supporting each other.

Spike Lee needs to quit hating on Tyler. Somebody said it right when they said, Tyler keeps you rollin’ and that’s what we need in this stressful economy. Can’t wait for the next Tyler Perry movie.

As a fan of Tyler’s plays and movies I say plus 1,000,000 hater points for you!
I honestly feel that Spike’s a bit green-eyed by the fact that the man’s doing it big, by forging his own path. He built his audience from the ground up. I’m one of the millions touched and inspired by his work, his life, and his struggles. The man overcame a lot to get to where he is, and didn’t let it break his spirit. Instead he channelled it into a work of art that’s drawn millions to him one at a time. One of his sayings back in the day was, “I love my boot-leggers”. Bootleggers built his empire early on. As the word of mouth spread, his work and presence grew throughout the entertainment industry.
I was introduced to him through some bootleg video of one of his plays. I’ve been hooked ever since; just as millions before me and millions after me.
His plays and movies deliver a powerful message of strength, love, acceptance, and perseverance. Madea is the embodiment of all of this all rolled up into one crazy gansta’ granny with a penchant for semi-automatic hand guns and thuggish behavior.
My admonishment to Tyler is to continue to grow with your craft and share with us your knowledge, love, and strength. Don’t be discouraged or dissuaded by your naysayers/haters.

Keep doing you, and dust them haters off your shoulders because I love every last one of you plays, movies, and shows. I can personally say you helped me see things in a better perspective, and I thank you for that. XOXo

Keep doing you, and dust them haters off your shoulders because I love every last one of your plays, movies, and shows. I can personally say you helped me see things in a better perspective, and I thank you for that. XOXo

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Why people gotta be hating?!?…I doubt Spike Lee is hatin on this man one single bit. Like I said b4, yeh Spike could have chose betta words but maybe he WANTS Tyler to expand his self. Madea is one-dimensional; Plus Tyler has neva been publicly critized b4 and maybe dats what he needs to expand his self creatively!! Tyler needs to swallow dis, call dude up n confront him…As a christian u not suppose to stay offended, u confront it, learn from it n grow from it!!

tyler perry is just an inspiration over all entertainer or success wise so MADLUV keep ur head up and its obvious to see that theres all kinds of ppl on this earth including those that HATE hehe xoxo

oh n its not christian believes its BUSINESS n in the industry u dont call someone up u hit the top charts and piss evrybody off and dont feel offended wen u see tyler rollinnnnnnnnn hahahaah

oh man n i love angela bassett

THIS IS N1gg3RDOM!!

The fascination of these Homosexuals (not Gays—thats a form of word play, definition 4 Gay N any dictionary means Happy, and we all know that Homo’s are not comfortable with themselves) back 2 da H.W.A’s=Homo’s with attitudes…what right do you want??? U really want the right 2 xpress your sexuality outside the confines of your homes where it should be kept you have A dayum Parade why??? U all parade around anyway and the Wendy Williams show is an abomination!! We are from the ORIGINAL TRIBES!!! no homosexual or caveman activities we ruled with Philosophy (ask socrates, Math, Universe, our Dialect, Artistry(pyramids and art inside the great tombs)Pottery, Time, Astrological Time, Gold, Diamonds, Spices,Africa has the RICHEST SOIL ON THIS PLANET!!)LGBT is the script U will B fed and wonder why so many black youths are turnin to this trend or phenomenom, I C a lot of young brothers on some homo sh*t and young sisters that get more pu$$y than I do now this is not hereditary(if you are born of this then U are cursed??)!!…during Slavery U all speak of the 4fathers being molesters well, who do you think they molested??? their slaves!!! slaves where brought just 4 this satisfaction, do your homework on Kush and the great empires along the nile and in Asia we never had homosexual traits, so due 2 this black holocaust..men wonder and mentally fight themselves for feeling this way and having unpure thoughts about another man and wonder why is this inside their conscious??? U come from A lineage of slaves and you may have a relative within that lineage that was used in homosexual rituals…they formed clubs (google Bohemian Grove)…do your homework and cut Tv and Cable off because U won’t get this info in school either you must INFORM AND RE-EDUCATE YOURSELF!!! slow mufukers.. and stop feedin N2 his bulls**t they didn’t even provide gas they just farted and you niggas made it ablaze

Mo Better Blues, yeah I forgot about that ‘classic’ piece of work. What did I learn from that? NOthing! Everybody already knows that a man can’t handle two women and will eventually have to settle for one. That one will be the more settled woman, not the glamorous one that will quickly tell him to kiss her azz.

If a white man produced the same type of films/TV shows that Tyler Perry does he would be run out ot the country. Yet you Perry fans, mainly section eight recipents, become enraged because a handful of EDUCATED African Americans choose to take a stand against this buffoon the havoc he has wreaked on the image of black people world wide!!!!

Forgive the typo

There is nothing to be ‘learned’ from a Spike Lee joint, other than throwing a few scenes together with a horn blaring in the background will not get you box office hits. His movies have no plot, no lesson and obviously no viewers.

I have a new internet station (independent) that is trying to put positive entertainment out for US – please check it out and support it! Original sitcoms and reality shows… http://www.blackdimensionstv.com – thanks!

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Wow….all Tyler Perry fans are on section 8????…..wow…..wtf???? Can u get anymore racist than that???……stop hatin on him and make a change in the world,,,do something to make a stand or sit back and shut up…hater.

HONESTLY SPIKE LEE IS THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO STOP THE COONERY…SHE’S GOTTA HAVE IT FOR EXAMPLE SHOWS A BLACK WOMAN SLEEOING WITH ALL THESE MEN AND THAT’S NOT DEGRADING WOMEN??? SPIKE LEE IS DOING ALL THIS FINGER POINTING AT EVERYONE ELSE AND NOT THINKING OF HIS OWN ACTIONS…”JUNGLE FEVER” REALLY,REALLY??? TYLER PERRY’S TV SHOWS AND MOVIES RELATE TO WHAT LOW-INCOME BLACK FAMILIES HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN A HUMOROUS FACTION…IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THE BLACK PPL THAT ARE PROFILED ARE USUALLY MIDDLE-CLASS YOU DONT SEE HIM TALKING ABOUT WELFARE AND SECTION 8 IN HIS MOVIES…I SEE THINGS WE ALL HAVE IN COMMON NO MATTER WHAT THE RACE…EVERYONE HAD OR HAS A FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS ON DRUGS AND HAVE PERSONAL DEMONS THAT THEY NEED TO CONQUER…SO SCREW SPIKE LEE UNTIL YOU START HELPING OUT THE LOWER CLASS OF YOUR PPL YOU ARE KNOW BETTER THAN THE ONE’S THAT PUT OUR FORE FATHERS AND MOTHERS ON THOSE BOATS….KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK TYLER PERRY MY FAMILY AND I SUPPORT YOU ALL THE WAY…SPIKE LEE I GOT 2 WORDS FA YA”SUCK IT”…