Why are black people so particular about how they are portrayed in the movies? It seems like unless they are filthy rich living in a suburban neighborhood there is no right way to look at them. Makes no sense.

i find it funny that “THE BLIND SIDE” came out at the same time as “PRECIOUS”

hmmm….

oh well….

This is comical!!! The truth should be told no matter how hard a truth it is!!! By speaking the truth, others can be helped and maybe find hope in what can easily be seen as a hopeless situation. “PRECIOUS” is real talk real life for a lot of people. Some will choose to “sweep the truth under a rug” rather than testify (talk) about it. It is only when we shine light on darkness(evil) that the darkness will lose its power. Just because a truth is ugly, does not mean it should be kept a secret.

The writer of this article is a moron, and proof positive that some people will find fault with any and everything. At the end of the movie, the director included a line “For Precious girls out there everywhere”. This movie is a beacon to all of the girls like Precious who are overlooked, abused and beaten down that they are not alone and that there is hope. I have worked in the juvenile justice system for a decade and can attest that girls in Precious situation are very real as are their struggles. I commend all those involved with the film for turning the light on a sad reality that exists yet is often overlooked.

And “Birth of a Nation”??? Really??? Note to Mr. Armond White: If you want to be taken seriously, tone down the ridiculous hyperbole.

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ALL I HAVE TO SAYS IS STFU….TO THE WRITER U COMPARED A MOVIE THAT IT WAY DIFFERENT TO THIS MOVIE ….WOW DUECES****

(Precious steals and eats an entire bucket of fried chicken)

That comment cracked me up.

This is a whole mess lol One thing he needs to do is actually come to sense and meet some of the woman who actually go through what that girl has been through…hell being a black woman period and then come back with a comment that makes sense!

This only a movie extremes always have to be carried out toward hatred on someone everytime a black character play a part in a movie. If Armond White feel this way than don’t go see the movie stop trying to spoil it for other viewers who want to view this movie.

u can’t b scared of reality. can u? if so then go jump off a cliff. reality is reality. if they show Black girls pregnant in Middle School, would u call them wrong? hell naw u can’t because Black girls get pregnant in Middle School. and not 2 mention High School as well.

this article is dumb… point blank

what stupidity that was just displayed here in this article…for someone to dare to say that the things that occurred in this movie are racial cliches, these things are very real and apparent even today of friends and family members that I know personally, that is insulting to dare say that these things do not exist…these things are very real and need to be spoken about and touched on and made known to the rest of our society, so we can work on changing them, everything from illiteracy, incest, abuse, low self-esteem, lack of self worth etc. these are all things that are very very real…how insulting this writer is…im disgusted

WOW NO WUR NEAR THE SAME!!!
WHY EVERY THING BLACK GOT 2 B POSITIVE OR NICE
THIS JUST THE SH!T PEOPLE REALLY GO THREW IN LIFE AND IT AINT PRETTY
SO BODY GOT 2 TELL THE STORY CANT STAY BLIND 4 EVER!

What this movie does show that black people are still overwhelmingly color struck. A dark skin guy will do all he can to get a light skinned or non-black woman. A dark skin woman will avoid almost all dark skin men at any cost so that she can have a child from a light skinned guy or even a white guy.

This behavior is way too predictable. I see it everyday. If I look at her face and she’s dark; before I look down I can almost say with certainty the child will be profoundly light.

Furthermore we as blacks/Africans know our issues we don’t need anymore more media that allow us to wallow in our shame. We need balance. We need images that show us where we can go. Try a movie about the Moors who occupied Europe for 700 years, which have whites paranoid about that mess to this day. Have a movie about the Ethiopian civilization better known as Egypt, depicting Egyptians/Nubians as black. Create a movie about Marcus Garvey.

WOW, I THOUGHT I WAS THE ANYONE WHO FELT THIS WAY ABOUT THIS MOVIE.

There is no denial that cliches and stereotypes are illustated in this movie. Yawn.

Now, can we please fast FORWARD to move beyond the “same ol’, same ol’” to continual creativity, inclusive of positive imagery…for OUR future generations?

Oprah/Tyler–all eyes ARE on you. You CAN do better. See the same view for others that you see for yourselves. Out.

So…In his mind how was the movie suppose to b potrayed?!?….
I haven’t seen the movie yet, but been read the book and as soon as u start it you instantly get a feel of who “Precious” is. And what may be considered a “brazen cliche`” is actually real life!

How dare you say “its agreed-upon selection of the most pathetic racial images and social catastrophes helps to normalize the circ**stances of poverty and abandon that will never change or be resolved”….Life, Society, Culture, Time, Neglect, and Disinterest for anyone besides self caused that! And if Armond White would STOP lookin at the movie as a form of propoganda for those ways of life n start to see the ACTUAL story of patience, endurance, and slowly-but surely a WANT to better herself he would’t have s**t to say!

Sad but true, this movie is timely! It taps into a WIDE demographic of people. Because the overall story is about self-image and alot of people today are dealin wit that. And sadly most self-doubt does stem from the home….Whateva he’s written needs to b burned cuz he’s off his s**t!!

The only thing I can tell people is “GO SEE THE MOVIE FOR YOURSELF!!” Everyone will be given the opportunity to see the movie and then come back and form an opinion. Mr. White is the Chairman of the the New York Film Critics Circle. And just because he is the chairman doesnt make him the official spokesman for this movie. He isnt speaking for all black people or for all critics. He can criticize it all he wants but the movie is based off the novel, PUSH by Sapphire. So unless he can comment on the novel too then, I will form my own opinion. I am not thinking about what this man has to say. What is the real problem. It seems like Mr. White has nothing good to say about any movie. He just likes being the “underdog” in his profession. So I am not moved or bother by him and this article. When I go see the movie then and only then I will pass judgement on this movie.

I believe that this article is more so about how we as african americans should depict ourselves in a better light then what Perry and Winfrey have done in the movie. I have yet to see it but have been told by many of my peers that the movie has many disturbing scences. I think that we are more ashamed of showing the reality of being black and living below means to other colors such as WHITE because we feel we have something to show them. We do not. I truly believe movies like Precious makes us sit back and think about the struggles that we go through in our everyday lives. I mean yes, it would be nice to put a movie out about african americans living the good life and doing so much better for themselves. But the reality of that is really slim. Not saying that we can’t do that but lets take for example Tyler Perry’s “Why Did I Get Married” in that movie all the couples were successful in their own ways. But is that truly realistic in the african american society? Or is that dream that few accomplish if they make the right decesions in life? Also we rarely see a movie about WHITE folks and how they are living in the trailer parks… no offense. But they don’t like show casing their what we call not to worthy standards for others to see. I believe we should find a common ground and just stick with it. We as a people are so indecisive we either want them to depict the glits and glamour and then on the other had we want them to depict the horror stories of the projects. When it is all said and done and the credits finish rolling each person will make their own opinion about “Precious” be it with good judgement or bad judgement. I hope to leave with a new mind set about somethings that I can say I never experience and probably won’t experience. I am taking this one as an educational adventure.

Once I saw this critique was from Armond White I no longer cared. Many feel he’s a “contrarian for the sake of being contrary” on many films. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armond_White

So I would take this opinion with a grain of salt.

You know what gets me its funny how when a movie like this comes out everyone has something to say about how BLACK people are being put down or it show’s were stupid or some of the other sort but what about the movies where were gang banging or shooting each other hell look at the world it self kids killing kids 5yr old being sold by their mom but all of a sudden when a movie like this is being made its so wrong i haven’t seen it yet because it has not made it to my city yet but when it does i will be the FIRST in line to see it but by the previews i think it’s a GREAT movie and every young woman coming up in the world should see this and just how hard it is to be a single young mother and should not want that for themself and i can talk the talk cuz i lived through it i had my son when i was 16 and it was hard for me by the grace of GOD i had his father and plenty of support by my side but like Precious not everyone is that lucky so it should be more like a heads up and learning experiance thats the way i look at it

lakerdude19

Let’s be honest: Until the last 20 years or so (and that’s being generous) blacks haven’t had it great as far as portrayal in the media goes. We’ve been portrayed as stepping and fetching, kowtowing , fried chicken and watermelon eating, lazy, ignorant, gangbanging good-for-nothings, and now that, for the most part, things have gotten better, we still have a hard time trying to distance ourselves from that.

I haven’t seen it yet (and don’t have any really interest to pay money to), but I can understand where a lot of people are coming from. I’m not saying it’s not a powerful movie, but I am saying that sometime being shown the underbelly of our culture isn’t something blacks wanna be faced with.

I guess he is saying that we should only show white america that we live like the Huxtables(the cosby show) or the Evans(good times). This is one of the reasons we as black people dont accomplish more together. There is always some fool that has to put down something that shows real situations of our Struggling brothers and sistas. Instead of helping the situation, they like to critize and belittle it as much as possible to make themselves the authority on life of ALL black Americans.

OH NO LET’S NOT PRETEND THAT SOME YOUNG GIRLS DONT HAVE MOTHERS LIKE THIS
THIS IS AND LIVE IN THIS KIND OF ENVIRONMENT A EXCELLANT BOOK AND MOVIE…

Who is this b***h assed writer with is f**king head inthe sand!? Art imitates life you f**king idiot! The assclown that wrote this article would have us believe that there are no abusive blackmothers in his world huh, where most of us that live in “hoods” see or hear about this everyday, and one need look no further than the national headlines at Shaniya Davis to see that indeed some of them are worse! ‘d ike to b***hslap whoever wrote this piece of s**t!

that “writer” is a hater. its a shame why people think we should hide situations like this. this is reality some children get abused like that on a daily basis. but for some reason its degrading to some people because they only see color and always throwing the race card in these situations. whether you like the moive or not, dont criticize the movie and producers because they are the ones that are very successful; try helping people that are going through these situations.

KERRY WASHINGTON IS SOOO FREAKIN HOT I WOULD BE TOTALLY LESBIAN FOR HER…

AND I REALLY WANNA SEE THIS MOVIE !

@lakerdude19

For you to be so dim-witted to even ask a question :

“Why are black people so particular about how they are portrayed in the movies?”

SHOWS THAT YOU ARE A F**KIN IDIOT AND PROBABLY WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER, SHOULD I TAKE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU ! Like, I really hope that your display of SHEER IGNORANCE doesn’t reflect that of most white people !

Blacks folks can be tiring with all this mess about it being stereotypical.

It happens and its often swept under the rug.

Funny how when Spike Lee came about against Perry, all of a sudden all of these NY writers (Armond White) start to have what they call legitimate issues with Perry’s work.

What is also funny is how all of these bloggers on BP using these other writers as Proxy to voice their oppinions.

I wonder if this guy (Armond White) find any of the very negative rap as damaging as birth of a nation??? Or if they even write about it, or would write about it if they did.

my problem is: “when was the last time that there was a movie out about an obese white woman, from a trailer park, who has had kids with her father? Are you telling me that it doesn’t happen? What about a movie about a boy that is molested by a woman? Are you telling me that doesn’t happen? It’s always the same thing: women will always be the victims, white people will always be the heroes, and blacks will always be villains.

I’m so tired of black folks sweeping the truth under the rug! If you don’t want to air the dirty laundry, then DO the darn laundry!!!!!!!!!

I think this guy is saying we have enough protrails of us in a negative light. Its a never ending thing to see. Look at Franky and Neffy, look at rap although I love it there is always a dismal or unreasonable frivolous portrayal of life for African Americans. Look at the Color Purple, there was not one positive reflection of a black man in that whole movie for they all were foolish and evil spirited black men. Is that right? There are not enough positivie images of black people and its not sweeping under the rug its offering a balanced portaylal of our people. We aren’t all abused poor hurt angry people. There are many of our people who live good lives and face other types of struggles. Those people most times feel they identify with white people because they only see them with the same struggles when there are plenty black people with the same struggles minus living the darkest, dankest, incest laden identity that we keep seeing Oprah endorse. I hate that.

I Hated Seeing Halle Berry get fuked like a tramp
I Hated Seeing Denzel Washington act like a gangsta
I hate seeing Video chicks look like hoes all the time
I hate the portrayal of the token African American on Reality TV
I hated seein flavor flave and New York Act stupid on tv

When will you hate it too? When will you be tired?
When will there be balance?
That sh*t is up to you

I WANNA SEE THIS MOVIE! NOT EVERY “BLACK” CAST MOVIE IS ABOUT POVERTY! THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS…S**T LIKE THIS HAPPENS TO “A LOT” OF US EVERYDAY! HE NEVER SAID THIS MOVIE WAS A SCRIPT FOR EVERY SINGLE BLACK PERSON IN THE WORLD…HES SIMPLY SAYIN THIS S**T HAPPENS! YOU LIVE IT. YOU WRITE ABOUT IT…AINT NOBODY SAYIN THEY TIRED OF THE SAME S**T IN ALL THE RAP MUSIC! AN INDIVIDUAL WILL INFACT TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY THEMSELVES GO THROUGH OR HAVE SEEN!!!!IF IT DOESNT APLY TO YOU??? KEEP-IT MOVIN!!!!

As of right now in this nation anything that stars or evolves around blacks are going to be criticized.Our president,if you let them tell it, cant do anything right and they have nothing positive to say about him right now.Oprah and Tyler Perry have been nothing but positive since they have even been in the picture but now they make a movie that sterotypical,but they can make a hair raising tail of whites taking in a black boy and makes something out of him wow,now thats sterotypical.As blacks we really need to face the truth that racial sterotype is there and even heavier than what it was,I live in ms and the govenor is trying to combine all historically black universities and that is the one thing that we and our parents can be proud of.The race thing will always be a factor no matter who the president is or what movies are out.

I haven’t seen the movie yet, they not playin it around my way yet. HOWEVER, I hope, I really, really HOPE this “writer” has spent a millisecond in the ghetto, the hood.

I truly hope this “writer” has spent more than 10 seconds with a Black family from the hood, a Black person who’s a product of a broken home and or foster care. If NOT, then this “writers” opinion is less than irrelevant, its immaterial!

I haven’t seen the movie yet, they not playin it around my way yet. HOWEVER, I hope, I really, really HOPE this “writer” has spent a millisecond in the ghetto, the hood. I truly hope this “writer” has spent more than 10 seconds with a Black family from the hood, a Black person who’s a product of a broken home and or foster care. If NOT, then this “writers” opinion is less than irrelevant, its immaterial!

I think the author of the article has a gripe with Perry and Oprah and is completely ignoring the reality of the film. This is American life people. Not BLACK American Life or even just POOR American life. People of all walks of life are discouraged and abused. This film tells the story of one who has very few “societal” reasons to feel good about herself yet through preserverance manages to do just that.
Its a beautiful story about the unsightly under belly of human nature and I don’t see why it can not be told by a black cast.
Films with disturbing subject matter portrayed by White Americans is touted as deep and insightful. Yet when the same amount of talent is applied to disturbing subject matter by a black cast the accusations of coonery and setting Black folks back start flying. And this blind and insecure self censorship that our people do in the face of bleak realities is probably the reason why we don’t have MORE excellent black films like this one.

Lest we forget some Black folks made a big sting about THE COLOR PURPLE when that came out. Stop being ashamed of your color and berating those with the courage to portray the art and beauty in the worst of us as well as the best of us.

First in foremost dont be mad at tyler perry I read the book when i was in middle school this move should have come out then …but no one had the guts to put it out there… second of all i work at a childrens hospital i see horrible thing every day that have happened to kids maybe if we opened are eyes than this s**t wouldnt happen i have not seen the movei but if it is anything like the book than i dont see why everyone is upset…. Get over it Do some thing about the reality of the situation and stead of trying to place blame on some who had to the guts to tell it like it is…..

@Dr_Beat_Itup- I agree with almost everything you said HOWEVER…. as Black people what we should really REALLY be tired of is being lumped in a group!!!! Just because Flav gets on tv and makes an ass of himself does that really reflect me? No, HELL NO! Does Marilyn Manson reflect all white people? No! Why is it when one Black person does something WE ALL have to be accountable for it?

We are individuals, culturally connected, at times spiritually connected, but you stand alone as a man, I stand alone as a women accountable for what I do, and what I do alone! Its the idea of Rosewood, the belief was ‘a Black mans raped a white woman’ now every Black man, child, and women will have to take apart of his punishment ( I know it wasn’t a Black man who did it, but that’s what they thought and that’s how THEY reacted)!

We(Black people) can say (about another Black person) “that’s not me, maybe I wouldn’t have done that, HOWEVER I UNDERSTAND”

I enjoyed the movie. The movie helped those see what takes place in “somebodies” life daily. Many times we get so caught up in our day to day activities and forget that child abuse is still going on. The movie can help remind us, that all homes are not homes at all, but merely houses of hell.
I am a teacher, mentor and counselor of MANY young teens that deal with this kind of abuse and some think its a “normal” type of lifestyle. So, for me and to me, this movie is just a movie, it’s a wake-up call, to let those that are in their own little worlds, know there is life outside of thier worlds.

I give hats off to Tyler and Oprah, for a job well done.

I saw this movie tonight and it was horrific. I pray to God that this is not a reality for many of us or for anyone. This was a hard life for anyone to live. Monique did a wonderful job, I hated her from beginning to end.

And by the way, Kerry Washington was not in this movie that was Paula Patton. That pic above has nothing to do with the movie.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS EVERY OTHER THING THAT BLACK PEOPLE DO BEING CRITICIZED AND SHOT DOWN BY OTHER BLACK PEOPLE GOODNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CAN WE STOP POINTING OUT THE NEGATIVE AND RELATING EVERY OTHER THING BACK TO WHITE PEOPLE. AND STOP BEING ASHAMED OF WHO WE ARE AND WERE WE CAME FROM!

THIS IS GETTING VERY ANNOYING WHEN REFERENCING SOMETHING BACK TO “WHAT WHITE PEOPLE DID” OR “WHAT WHITE PEOPLE WILL THINK ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE”

AND “BLACK PEOPLE BEING EXPOSED”
CAN WE JUST MOVE ON AND RISE ABOVE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CUZ IT SEEMS LIKE MOST ARE STILL STUCK IN THE PAST!

its just a damn movie based off a book anything good is bound to have haters… NEWS FLASH!!! not everything goes right in anyone’s life and a lot of ppl go throught the same thing God to you be the glory

It would be nice to see a black movie that gets embraced by Sundance and the Academy Awards that doesn’t portray all black people as living in poverty, needing a hand-out ( The Blind Side) and full of stereotypes. Every time there’s critical praise or Oscar talk about a black movie or actress, it’s usually negative and demeaning subject matter and portrayals. Halle Berry had to simulate sex onscreen naked with a racist to get her Oscar. Denzel, with all the excellent positive roles he’s done, had to play a low-down dirty, foul-mouthed cop to get his. I think Mr White is a bit harsh about the movie, Precious but I hear where he’s coming from. It’s movies like this that help shape stereotypes about our culture.

i was that little girl and this movie helped me remember the pain and caused me to notice i had some of those same shameful habbits because my family still treated me that way even now and made me muse on the fact that i didnt want to continue the pain in my feauture and that i was doing nothing but killing myself in the end so it was a b lessing to those who know what its like to be in those shoes so people need to stop wearing their feeling on their finger tips for they always get hurt that way let go and let God

Nothing by Tyler Perry will ever be nominated for an Oscar, and even if this movie does it won’t win. I refuse to support anyone who tries to make a profit from exploiting black people. When has Tyler Perry made a film that was based on historical fact, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!. He’s still an urban celebrity, not a mainstream success. When has Tyler Perry had a notable black actor in his movies,NEVER. Do The Right Thing is a classic, Rosewood, is a classic, New Jack City is a classic. Madea is the dumbest thing out. It’s still funny how black people support ignorance in it’s purest form. I don’t support Tyler Perry, and I don’t support Oprah Winfrey. No matter how hard she tries to cosign for Perry, it won’t work, his s**t is for dumb niggas, who like dumb nigga s**t.

“Birth of a Nation” portrayed blacks as savages, black soldiers as rapists of white women and white racists as patriots.

“Precious” discussed the extreme case of physical, emotional and mental abuse by an overweight, black female child. Her mother was a demon. Her life was a train wreck of torture, fistfights and an out of wedlock pregnancy. She took to abusing herself as her mother did. She was a girl without a voice.

Everyone has a right to their opinion. But, this opinion is dead wrong. While shows like COPS and Real Stories of the Highway Patrol blatantly display blacks in compromising and adversial positions with law enforcement. I didn’t see racial stereotypes, except the fried chicken reference that we need to get over! I saw more playing of stereotypes on Chelsea Lately.

Tyler Perry has often shown black women in negative light. He made his fortune and fame on blockbuster films such as Madea: Doing Bad By Myself. This movie was his most serious effort. And it showed a problem in black communities regarding child abuse and neglect.

I haven’t seen the movie nor have a read the book, but for all those that say you won’t go see it or don’t support it I hope that you don’t listen to rap music that call women b***hes w***es(hoes) s**ts or anything else degrading. if you then you shouldn’t see anything wrong with shedding more light on the things that REALLY goes on in some people life. A mother sold her daughter into sexually slavery for drugs. That is reall ife for you.Think about what you do in your own life that causes harm to another if you mean it or not. Even if yu say it as a joke or not. This is what i am taking from the movie previews that I have seen. Precious is hurting to be loved and in her eye not one person loves her for her but only what they can get from her. BLACK people find something wrong with everything that is done to highlight our problems and nothing wrong with lil’ wayne having underaged girls dancing to I wish i can f*** every girl in the world at an awards show. Get over it and move on.

miss_shai, U SAID IT ALL, GIRL

Please don’t think that all white people think as ignorantly as lakerdude19 , I have not yet seen the movie but I want to. I believe that it might help me with some things that happened in my childhood also it is a reminder of the evil that goes on all over the place no matter what race, or neighborhood you come from. This movie should be used to bring people together to fight for the children that live this story everyday of their lives. Maybe the movie should be made several times with a white cast, latino cast and an asian cast….. because these things happen no matter who you are or where you come from. I used to work in a girls juvenile home and I saw stories like this all the time from every walk of life its sad that we as a people of HUMAN race cant put color aside and think of ways to save the innocent lives that are being broken. Honestly I am very glad to see movies that are NOT a all white cast no matter the story line!! GOD BLESS

Now I want 2 take this up A notch
Denzel portrayed Malcolm Little(X) and the movie was not even worthy of being nominated for any Award. Spike Lee even ran out of funds 2 help complete the movie because in Hollywood they tell you you cannot write a Great Script and not have a White face as either lead actor/actress or supporting the lead role!
now Denzel plays A DIRTY BLACK DETECTIVE that schemes his way through-out the movie breaking the law and U know the rest…the flipside of this mindfuk…his counterpart A BY THE BOOK WHITE DETECTIVE goes bye the rules and does everything he can do 2 stop this psychopathic cop…..Halle Berry and her “make me feel good” got her an Oscar playin a Jezebel

Hollywood and these devils that run it hasn’t changed since DW Griffiths Birth of A Nation….What is odd is Monique’s role she plays and her name is the name of the Son of Man’s mother Mary….these devils are gettin gangster with their satanistic input in2 Movies, Music and Fashion
It is a part N transformers 2 that says these Alien Robots come back 2 Earth 2 reclaim something they left N the Pyramids that they built see you have 2 understand when something is not understood it will be tarnished…these devils know how the Great Pyramids were built and the Engineering involved is so unprecedented that they still are standing this day…WOW….they took everything from us and TRIED 2 ERASE OUR TRUE INPUT IN2 THIS EARTH SINCE THE INCEPTION OF CIVILIZATION!!!!
Africa is the Empire of this Earth. you must know your heritage people they always hoop and holler about the Jewish Holocaust but noone speaks of Benito Mussolini coming 2 africa and Slaughtering millions of Ethiopians(1935-1941)

so many people talk about blacks being exploited and black this and black that this is real life people these things happen because of the nations we live in, its the truth yea its a hard truth but thats what it is. many of the kids today parents were on crack and they were crack babies. their is soo much emotional pain and phycological pain with our children and adults… read the book , this book takes place in the time of the hardships of the late 70′s early 80. . i really hate to see people play this black history i love my black when they cant face the fact that our lives have been exploited from day one over here.true life hardship happen to every group of color we arent the only people .We just have it harder, Opah, tyler perry, shine the light on things that every one needs to see. instead of putting the hush facter on it,, and we black and we proud on it …. if that is the case talk to the youth help these people that need the help,, just cause u dont see it or hear about it dont mean its not happening ..If you are black and proud go out and show it by helping and seeing the problems going on in our black homes, try to come up with some ways to you love your black people instead of talking bout the BS

this is exploiting

ARTICLE ON SAARTJIE BAARTMAN/HOT N TOT VENUS.. South African President Mbeki on Saartjie Baartman Letter from the PresidenT “In the early nineteenth century, when the study of Khoi women became fashionable in European society, she was convinced to leave her home to become a dancer, with a contract that she may or may not have seen. A man from England promised her that she could make money to bring home to her tribe. What followed was five years of exhibition in museums and at fashionable parties, her spectacular buttocks and breasts bare, French and British men and women clustering around her, mocking her at the same time that her body made them uncomfortable with their own desire. Her days were punctuated by rape and scientific examinations. “She died, probably of syphilis, and her body was given to Georges Cuvier, a French scientist who made a plaster model of her brain and preserved her buttocks and %#&@$! to be displayed at the Musee de l’Homme. They remained on display until ten years ago.” Another article says: “The effects of climate on the physiology of black women were used to support theories about the sexual promiscuity and fertility of black races, exemplified in the description by J. J Virey, of the ‘degree of lascivity unknown in our climate’ among black women ‘for their sexual organs are much more developed than those of whites.’ “Similarly, David Spurr quotes Richard Burton who ‘merely affirms the conventional wisdom of his age in claiming that in damp-hot climates …the sexual requirements of the passive (female) exceed those of the active (male) sex; and the result is a dissolute social state, contrasting with mountain countries, dry-cold and damp-cold, where the conditions are equally balanced or reversed’.” Nancy Stepan explains the Victorian mindset that created the gory exhibits in this Paris museum, which included the remains of Saartjie Baartman: “Of all the boundaries between peoples, the sexual one was the most problematic to the Victorian mind. In the area of racial thought, there had been since the earliest of times a prurient interest in the strange sexual customs of alien peoples, especially the African. Did African women, for instance, mate with the great apes who came out of Africa? Were the sexual organs of Africans larger than those of whites? Did a tropical climate encourage an unbridled sexuality that resulted in promiscuity? It was not surprising that anthropological accounts of strange peoples provided a surrogate pornography for Europeans.” This Letter and the preceding quotations are occasioned by the return of Saartjie Baartman from France to her homeland, South Africa. The scientist who dismembered Saartjie’s body when she died, Georges Cuvier, the founder of comparative anatomy, said when commenting on Africans: “These races with depressed and compressed skulls are condemned to a never-ending inferiority. (Saartjie’s) moves had something reminding (one) of the monkey and her external genitalia reminded (one of) those of the orang-outang.” Saartjie Baartman, a daughter of the Khoi people, was born in the Eastern Cape in 1789. Later she served as a slave or servant in the employ of a white colonist. It was while she was thus employed, that a British Naval Surgeon, William Dunlop, had her transported by ship to London in 1810. Dunlop, intent to use her to make money for himself, told her she could make a fortune by displaying her naked body to curious Europeans. She was paraded at circuses, museums, bars and universities. At times, she was displayed in a cage and forced to behave like “a wild beast”. Especially on display were her prominent posterior and her genitals. In 1814 and 1815, she was exhibited in Paris by one Henry Taylor and then by someone called Reaux. By the time she died on January 1, 1816, she was owned by an animal trainer. During this period, she was also forced into > prostitution and, in despair, resorted to heavy consumption of alcohol. After her death, her body was handed to the scientist, Georges Cuvier. He cast her in plaster and then dissected her body, removing the brain, the vulva and the anus, which were placed in glass jars in a preserving fluid. He then removed all flesh from the skeleton. These remains were kept in the exhibition rooms of the French Museums, open for public viewing, until 1974and 1976. When we gained our freedom in 1994, we requested the French government to assist in returning the remains of Saartjie Baartman to the land of her birth. Ultimately, this required that the French Parliament should pass special legislation authorising the release of these remains to our country. The debate of this law in the French National Assembly took place under the theme “Repatriation of the Hottentot Venus”. This is the circus name that Saartjie Baartman had been given by her European owners. On the day the necessary legislation was adopted, on 21 February 2002, Research Minister Roger-Gerard Schwatzenberg, said: “Saartjie Baartman was firstly a victim of the exploitation suffered by South African ethnic groups during colonisation. Secondly, Saartjie Baartman was the victim of colonialism and sexism because her dignity as a woman and her rights were denied. Thirdly, she was also the victim of racism which was the characteristic of anthropology at the time, the latter being very much > turned to ethnocentrism. “I see in this bill a double symbol. Firstly, it gives us the opportunity to turn the page of decades marked by colonialism, racism and sexism. It will mark the end of a painful period, when non European populations were not viewed as equal to the European ones. Secondly, it marks our will to acknowledge equality among people. This is an important moment of unity around an essential principle – the dignity of any human being, whatever his/her religion, origins and condition.” Saartjie Baartman was called Saartjie Baartman by those who colonised her, her people and her country. By depriving her of her Khoi name, they took away her identity. By turning her into a non-person, they defined her as sub-human. As such a subhuman, she became an object intended to be fully owned, used at will and freely disposed of by those who had robbed her of her identity. Her few years in Europe gave the fullest expression to this reality that she was nothing more than an object to satisfy the needs of those who were her owners. The inhumane and barbaric fate she met exemplified the destiny of the colonised and oppressed in our country, including the Khoi and the San. Denied their identity, defined as subhuman, dispossessed of their land, their country and their freedom, millions became chattels in the ownership of others who convinced themselves that they were true masters of all they surveyed. Even scientific inquiry was perverted to serve the cause of racism and the domination of human beings by other human beings. Thus did Saartjie Baartman become a mere biological specimen to be dissected and dismembered to arrive at predetermined conclusions that justified her categorisation as a mere biological specimen. And thus did entire peoples fall victim to racist beliefs, underpinned by false intellectual propositions and a corrupted theology, which justified the perpetration of crimes against humanity on the basis that these peoples, including our own, were proper objects of a civilising mission. The struggle for the return of the remains of Saartjie Baartman to her motherland was a struggle to uproot the legacy of many centuries of unbridled humiliation. It was a struggle to restore to our people and the peoples of Africa their right to be human and to be treated by all as human beings. Her return stands out as a defining moment in the continuing process of our emancipation. The Khoi people of our country and the descendants of the Khoi have every right solemnly to celebrate the return of one who was their daughter. They have every right to demand that this historic act of redress should be given its true meaning by the restoration to the Khoi and the San their place of pride as Africans equal to all other Africans. Those who sought to dehumanise Saartjie Baartman also have the responsibility to join hands with the millions whose fate she exemplified, to help rebuild South Africa and Africa, in a common effort to give meaning to the vision that all of us, regardless of race or colour, were created in > the image of God. As our ambassador to France, Thuthukile Skweyiya, together with Deputy Minister Bridgitte Mabandla and her delegation from South Africa, received the remains of Saartjie Baartman at our Embassy in Paris, she said: “Saartjie Baartman is beginning her final journey home, to a free, democratic, non-sexist and non-racist South Africa. She is a symbol of our national need to confront our past and restore dignity to all our people.” Speaking on behalf of the government and people of France, Minister Schwatzenberg said: “After suffering so much offence and humiliation, Saartjie Baartman will have her dignity restored. She will find justice and peace.” The remains of Saartjie Baartman returned home a few days after our Freedom Day, 192 years after she left her motherland. Welcome home, our Saartjie! Thabo Mbeki, President, South Africa * * * * * on January 1 1816, probably of pneumonia. But even then she was to suffer indignity. Less than 24 hours after her death she was carved up by Baron Cuvier. He had her body cast in wax, dissected and her skeleton articulated. Her genitalia and brain were pickled and displayed at the Musee de l’Homme (Museum of Mankind). They were finally withdrawn from public view in 1974, and her remains were assigned to a storeroom and forgotten. But some Africans never forgot Baartman. Nelson Mandela made a request to France in 1994 for her remains to be handed back. Her cause gained momentum amid post-apartheid South Africa’s new awareness of tribal identity. All over the country, aboriginal peoples are asserting their heritage rights, claiming not only political and cultural recognition, but also the restitution of ancestral land and the protection of intellectual property rights. The San, once known as the bushmen of southern Africa, have successfully reclaimed historic tribal land and won a share in the proceeds of internationally marketed drugs made from their traditional medicinal plants. And now Baartman’s Khoisan tribe, which has been recognized by the United Nations as an indigenous “First Nation,” has won a victory for tribal recognition by securing the return of the ‘Hottentot Venus’ to South Africa.

ARTICLE ON SAARTJIE BAARTMAN/HOT N TOT VENUS.. South African President Mbeki on Saartjie Baartman Letter from the PresidenT “In the early nineteenth century, when the study of Khoi women became fashionable in European society, she was convinced to leave her home to become a dancer, with a contract that she may or may not have seen. A man from England promised her that she could make money to bring home to her tribe. What followed was five years of exhibition in museums and at fashionable parties, her spectacular buttocks and breasts bare, French and British men and women clustering around her, mocking her at the same time that her body made them uncomfortable with their own desire. Her days were punctuated by rape and scientific examinations. “She died, probably of syphilis, and her body was given to Georges Cuvier, a French scientist who made a plaster model of her brain and preserved her buttocks and %#&@$! to be displayed at the Musee de l’Homme. They remained on display until ten years ago.” Another article says: “The effects of climate on the physiology of black women were used to support theories about the sexual promiscuity and fertility of black races, exemplified in the description by J. J Virey, of the ‘degree of lascivity unknown in our climate’ among black women ‘for their sexual organs are much more developed than those of whites.’ “Similarly, David Spurr quotes Richard Burton who ‘merely affirms the conventional wisdom of his age in claiming that in damp-hot climates …the sexual requirements of the passive (female) exceed those of the active (male) sex; and the result is a dissolute social state, contrasting with mountain countries, dry-cold and damp-cold, where the conditions are equally balanced or reversed’.” Nancy Stepan explains the Victorian mindset that created the gory exhibits in this Paris museum, which included the remains of Saartjie Baartman: “Of all the boundaries between peoples, the sexual one was the most problematic to the Victorian mind. In the area of racial thought, there had been since the earliest of times a prurient interest in the strange sexual customs of alien peoples, especially the African. Did African women, for instance, mate with the great apes who came out of Africa? Were the sexual organs of Africans larger than those of whites? Did a tropical climate encourage an unbridled sexuality that resulted in promiscuity? It was not surprising that anthropological accounts of strange peoples provided a surrogate pornography for Europeans.” This Letter and the preceding quotations are occasioned by the return of Saartjie Baartman from France to her homeland, South Africa. The scientist who dismembered Saartjie’s body when she died, Georges Cuvier, the founder of comparative anatomy, said when commenting on Africans: “These races with depressed and compressed skulls are condemned to a never-ending inferiority. (Saartjie’s) moves had something reminding (one) of the monkey and her external genitalia reminded (one of) those of the orang-outang.” Saartjie Baartman, a daughter of the Khoi people, was born in the Eastern Cape in 1789. Later she served as a slave or servant in the employ of a white colonist. It was while she was thus employed, that a British Naval Surgeon, William Dunlop, had her transported by ship to London in 1810. Dunlop, intent to use her to make money for himself, told her she could make a fortune by displaying her naked body to curious Europeans. She was paraded at circuses, museums, bars and universities. At times, she was displayed in a cage and forced to behave like “a wild beast”. Especially on display were her prominent posterior and her genitals. In 1814 and 1815, she was exhibited in Paris by one Henry Taylor and then by someone called Reaux. By the time she died on January 1, 1816, she was owned by an animal trainer. During this period, she was also forced into > prostitution and, in despair, resorted to heavy consumption of alcohol. After her death, her body was handed to the scientist, Georges Cuvier. He cast her in plaster and then dissected her body, removing the brain, the vulva and the anus, which were placed in glass jars in a preserving fluid. He then removed all flesh from the skeleton. These remains were kept in the exhibition rooms of the French Museums, open for public viewing, until 1974and 1976. When we gained our freedom in 1994, we requested the French government to assist in returning the remains of Saartjie Baartman to the land of her birth. Ultimately, this required that the French Parliament should pass special legislation authorising the release of these remains to our country. The debate of this law in the French National Assembly took place under the theme “Repatriation of the Hottentot Venus”. This is the circus name that Saartjie Baartman had been given by her European owners. On the day the necessary legislation was adopted, on 21 February 2002, Research Minister Roger-Gerard Schwatzenberg, said: “Saartjie Baartman was firstly a victim of the exploitation suffered by South African ethnic groups during colonisation. Secondly, Saartjie Baartman was the victim of colonialism and sexism because her dignity as a woman and her rights were denied. Thirdly, she was also the victim of racism which was the characteristic of anthropology at the time, the latter being very much > turned to ethnocentrism. “I see in this bill a double symbol. Firstly, it gives us the opportunity to turn the page of decades marked by colonialism, racism and sexism. It will mark the end of a painful period, when non European populations were not viewed as equal to the European ones. Secondly, it marks our will to acknowledge equality among people. This is an important moment of unity around an essential principle – the dignity of any human being, whatever his/her religion, origins and condition.” Saartjie Baartman was called Saartjie Baartman by those who colonised her, her people and her country. By depriving her of her Khoi name, they took away her identity. By turning her into a non-person, they defined her as sub-human. As such a subhuman, she became an object intended to be fully owned, used at will and freely disposed of by those who had robbed her of her identity. Her few years in Europe gave the fullest expression to this reality that she was nothing more than an object to satisfy the needs of those who were her owners. The inhumane and barbaric fate she met exemplified the destiny of the colonised and oppressed in our country, including the Khoi and the San. Denied their identity, defined as subhuman, dispossessed of their land, their country and their freedom, millions became chattels in the ownership of others who convinced themselves that they were true masters of all they surveyed. Even scientific inquiry was perverted to serve the cause of racism and the domination of human beings by other human beings. Thus did Saartjie Baartman become a mere biological specimen to be dissected and dismembered to arrive at predetermined conclusions that justified her categorisation as a mere biological specimen. And thus did entire peoples fall victim to racist beliefs, underpinned by false intellectual propositions and a corrupted theology, which justified the perpetration of crimes against humanity on the basis that these peoples, including our own, were proper objects of a civilising mission. The struggle for the return of the remains of Saartjie Baartman to her motherland was a struggle to uproot the legacy of many centuries of unbridled humiliation. It was a struggle to restore to our people and the peoples of Africa their right to be human and to be treated by all as human beings. Her return stands out as a defining moment in the continuing process of our emancipation. The Khoi people of our country and the descendants of the Khoi have every right solemnly to celebrate the return of one who was their daughter. They have every right to demand that this historic act of redress should be given its true meaning by the restoration to the Khoi and the San their place of pride as Africans equal to all other Africans. Those who sought to dehumanise Saartjie Baartman also have the responsibility to join hands with the millions whose fate she exemplified, to help rebuild South Africa and Africa, in a common effort to give meaning to the vision that all of us, regardless of race or colour, were created in > the image of God. As our ambassador to France, Thuthukile Skweyiya, together with Deputy Minister Bridgitte Mabandla and her delegation from South Africa, received the remains of Saartjie Baartman at our Embassy in Paris, she said: “Saartjie Baartman is beginning her final journey home, to a free, democratic, non-sexist and non-racist South Africa. She is a symbol of our national need to confront our past and restore dignity to all our people.” Speaking on behalf of the government and people of France, Minister Schwatzenberg said: “After suffering so much offence and humiliation, Saartjie Baartman will have her dignity restored. She will find justice and peace.” The remains of Saartjie Baartman returned home a few days after our Freedom Day, 192 years after she left her motherland. Welcome home, our Saartjie! Thabo Mbeki, President, South Africa * * * * * on January 1 1816, probably of pneumonia. But even then she was to suffer indignity. Less than 24 hours after her death she was carved up by Baron Cuvier. He had her body cast in wax, dissected and her skeleton articulated. Her genitalia and brain were pickled and displayed at the Musee de l’Homme (Museum of Mankind). They were finally withdrawn from public view in 1974, and her remains were assigned to a storeroom and forgotten. But some Africans never forgot Baartman. Nelson Mandela made a request to France in 1994 for her remains to be handed back. Her cause gained momentum amid post-apartheid South Africa’s new awareness of tribal identity. All over the country, aboriginal peoples are asserting their heritage rights, claiming not only political and cultural recognition, but also the restitution of ancestral land and the protection of intellectual property rights. The San, once known as the bushmen of southern Africa, have successfully reclaimed historic tribal land and won a share in the proceeds of internationally marketed drugs made from their traditional medicinal plants. And now Baartman’s Khoisan tribe, which has been recognized by the United Nations as an indigenous “First Nation,” has won a victory for tribal recognition by securing the return of the ‘Hottentot Venus’ to South Africa.

lol ever heard of the saying “elephant in the room”? i think this guy is upset that someone chose to talk about the elephant in the room. Shame on him for comparing it to that movie, if he is trying to make some kind of big statement to impress anyone or the African-American community, well……i am not impressed.

Who is this writer? are you freakin’ kidding us all!! I seen the movie PRECIOUS. I don’t see Perry or Oprah in the wrong. there are children being abuse right now while I’m typing this moment. Only by the Grace of God these folks that are doing this will come to light.

and get their punishment here on this law of land, and then after their death, He (Jesus), will give them His punishment. Evil is everywhere, just like Jesus is everywhere, and just because, someone who been abuse all their life, really don’t grow up being abuser. (speaking from experience.)

Evil is a choice its not a birthright. Color has nothing to do with it whatsoever!! God is watching us all. if anyone been abuse. don’t let the devil steal your JOY!! and if you are abusing a child or someone STOP IT!! God don’t like that and your SOUL is in GREAT danager!! ..PRECIOUS did not let that devil steal her JOY!! the movie was EXCELLENT AND BRAVO!! in my book.

OGslim30 you must have been dropped when you were baby, based on your dumbassed, comments, or perhaps your parents were related, which is it?

closed narrow minded people are everywhere to many times people are so busy picking things apart that they miss the whole point .not that they need me to take up for them but im sure Tyler perry nor Oprah would of put their name on this if it was something that was damaging to black people. the story line for the character precious is not a a color issue and if that’s all the person got out of this movie maybe that’s what they were looking for just to pass judgment. low self esteem, incest, child abuse, self hate and mental illness (which i feel Monique character was)affects all cultures and races although depicted by a black women the film represents a sick secret in alot of families and an ongoing issue today and im so sorry that this person only got we setting our black culture back out of this.

I’M SO UPSET ABOUT US AS BLACK PEOPLE ALWAYS PUTTING EACH OTHER DOWN… HOW BOUT WE TRY WALKING 2GETHER NSTEAD OF TRYING WALKING IN FRONT ARE BEHIND EACH LET’S WALK TOGETHER AN HOLDS HANDS LEARN TO PRAY TOGETHER AS WELL FOR EACH OTHER. OK SO WHAT IF TYLER PERRY ARE OPRAH WINFREY IS NOT WHAT YOU FEEL THEY SHOULD BE INSTEAD OF PUTTING THEM DOWN REACH OUT TO THEM GET ON THERE WEBSITES LEAVE COMMENTS ON WHAT THEY COULD DO BETTER AN IF THEY SEE ENOUGH PEOPLE STANDING FOR THE SAME THINGS MAYBE IT WILL BE A POSTIVE CHANGE. IT’S TIME OUT FOR BLAMING,HATING ON EACH OTHER LIFE TO HARD AN SHORT AS IT IS LET’S TRY TO STAND TOGETHER. I FEEL THAT THE MOVIE SHOWED REAL DOWN TRUE ISSUES N EVERDAY LIFE, THAT WE SOMETIMES OVER LOOK AN IT’S JUST NOT A BLACK PERSON FILM,MOVIE IT’S FOR EVERYONE WHITE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE SAME ISSUES. I FEEL IT’S TIME TO STOP COVERING UP ISSUES THAT WE AS PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL TO TALK ABOUT I THINK WE AS BLACK PEOPLE ARE SO FEARFUL OF TAKING RISKS CAUSE OF THE FEAR WE WILL FAILED. I FEEL THE MOVIE WAS A RISK THEY TOOK AND A EYE OPENER, I JUST THINK IF WE STAND TOGETHER AN TAKE CHANCES,RISK TO TRY THINGS WE COULD COME SO MUCH FARTHER,AN LEARN FROM EACH OTHER NOT DOWN EACH OTHER ,I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD LOOK,LISTEN, AN MOST OF ALL LEARN FROM EACH OTHER NSTEAD OF HATING ON EACH OTHER. THANKS GOD BLESS ALL!!!!!!!!!

slit_lcka005 Maybe if you knew how to spell, or better yet, maybe if you knew how to read on more than an 8th grade level you understand what I’m getting at.

Good looking keyanna_d I 4got all about her

She was on display because the truth of the matter is back in Africa along the Nile River was the Greatest of civilization of the Nile Valley and the Black Woman was God….her v****a was able to impregnate her womb…..this is where Christianity gets most of it’s Religion from the immaculate conception and Jesus and all these stories they stole our heritage but our ancestors was smart enough 2 build the pyramids and leave us the truth carved on the walls….many stories of Empires…imhotep…Kush…etc..,, and how we were great Kings at war CRUSHING our enemies with the blow of death atop the forehead….rich in history but they teach you of Abraham Lincoln who hated black folk him and his son and the Emancipation proclamation was nothing but A power war of the South counting 1 slave as 3/5th a human being and with that slavemasters ruled the House of Representatives and the North had no political power 4 this reason…..even Blacks owned slaves during those times in South Carolina and throughout the south and i’m not talking about buying their family NO I’m talkin bout oppressing their own because mentally the mindfuk is so excrutiating that we are still in a state of psychological torture from the Reconstruction Era up in2 Civil Rights movement and even this present day!

U all have 2 understand that we are not trying or are at odds with what our own people do but it’s the content of what they do that is appallin 2 us sometimes…..U have Tyler Perry A cross dressing feminist male basher who is lost with himself….and Oprah Winfrey that will uplift women….not black women but women period and I find that disturbing especially when these mufukers know our situation and struggle and you tune in2 their shows and all you see is white face and they feed in2 the BS and have you thinkin that U SHOULD BE INFERIOR and comfortable for the way you and your people struggle and strive 2 better yourself day in day out with the oppression that has plaqued us since we came in2 this country in bondage!

I want you all to take note of all the wealthy black folk in America (Entertainers, Athletes) the wealth proposed altogether is averaged out 2 enhance our Social Ills this Country has imposed upon us Since they brought and Stole you in Africa….so I ask…WHERE IS OUR NATIONAL AGENDA TO TAKE OUR ECONOMIC ORDEAL AND ELEVATE IT THROUGH PROGRAMS INSPIRED BY US???? and not the fuking government because you are in your situation thanx 2 the Government and the Federal Reserve.. and America killin your BLACK Leaders and Killing your Leadership qualities bamboozling you in2 thinkin you need A BLACK LEADER and not standin up and UPRISING 4 YOUR NATURAL GOD GIVING RIGHTS…this God’s Land when did you have 2 start PAYING TAXES ON LAND YOU OWN??and you don’t even own sh1t..the land will never be giving away freely nor will your FREEDOM…they will KILL you 2 keep the status quo..WHAT WILL YOU DO

Guess Spike Lee was right………….smh

This writer completely ignores the fact that this movie is based on a novel written by an African-American woman, so most likely she would surround her story about the people she knows. I dont think when Sapphire wrote the book she thought *Oh I have to write it with all white characters so ppl wont think I am stereotyping my own race.* I have neither seen the movie nor have I read the book but its pretty unbelievable that he compares it to something that was created by KKK. Fact is: rape and abuse happens anywhere in every race and color everywhere in the world and I think its great that some people are actually not afraid to address this unconvenient part of life.

If this movie prompts one person to get out of an abusive situation and strive towards goals and happines, it served it’s purpose. I’m sure that’s what Mr. Perry and Ms. Winfrey were attempting to do. Abuse is no longer a dirty little secret and race has nothing to do with it.

SMDH… Prescious, the character, is a composite figure. Meaning, different aspects of her character were taken from several different real-life students of Sapphire, the author. These social issues arent black nor white. They exist in all racists. It just took Black entertainers to shed the light on the subject and the book. They didnt write the story-damn. Would it have been better if it were an all white cast, or would it still be what it is, a sad but triumphant movie about the social ills of our society? Everything is not always black and white, good grief. She was eating chicken because food comforted her. I see mostly white people at our Popeyes, Church’s and KFC. Armond White stinks–smells just like hater-ation.

I read the book “push” maybe 7 years ago a few times. I encouraged my daughters to read this book as well. My oldest didn’t like the book at all, but the baby (who I believe to be a more compassionate person– cried like her mother).

The man who wrote this.. obvivious is one of those people who would only want to see a cosby scenerio.. the perfect family, perfect children. Black professionals. Well, I’m from Harlem and 4 blocks from where that book was based upon and Yes there are a million preciouses out there. These are the people who have been left behind.. ingored and invisible. And if it was left up to this writer they will remain that way.

Blacks are so concern about an image that they truly have lost sight that in the urban communities there are tons of issues. Mothers who don’t go outside due to obesity, children who are illerate. Young men pretty much hanging out and getting into trouble because they believe they have no hope for the future.

I myself took a young girl down to the seaport and she’s pretty much never been out of the hood. Maybe this writer doesn’t want this view to be brought to the light. But all he has to do is go to any community where there is a large poverty gap.. and HE will see tons of preciouses who are dying to be heard.

FYI_ for those who will make a judgement on something without reading the book.. I say.. — you shouldn’t speak until you actually judge it for yourself.

Oh yea.. btw- I saw the movie.. the opening weekend.. The line was awesome.. and IT’s worth it’s weight ….

PUSH= no matter where you are right now in life. if you push yourself, you can rise above your situation.. !

personally i think tyler perry is jealous of this movies success. At one point in time i thought that Spike lee was really off based when he made comments about perry and his movies;however, I’m starting to see the merits of his words now. To be completely honest, perry’s movies are becoming boring. Here is the plot of every perry movies. there are usually two women, a bad one and a good one. then there are two men a good one and a bad one. The bad woman gets reformed, while the bad man is over exaggerated! As someone as black, it makes me a little angry. I know that plays are usually focused on women simply because women are usually the one primary viewers; however do you not have to constantly down men to make more women come. He is suppose to be chrisitan, but he is diverging from that aspect as well. All in all, I think Mr. Perry is jealous because both men and women can enjoy the movie precious but only women, shallow minded women can thoroughly enjoy a substance which constantly down play and degrade our men

I learn alot today, from the ones who posted a comment or paragraph. Thank you

Why do we trip out about a simple lil movie. White people don’t trip when they show a movie on a poor white girl. Stuff like that happens to some girls.And if they can’t tell there story why make movies. Look at how rap music makes us look, but know ones talking about that. where’er the olny race that tears down each others accomplishments. tyler perry had did a good job to show what happen to some black people. And bring it to the light. However I do agree with some of the blogers, he does put blackmen down alot in his movies . Evey bad thing that a blackman has did to a blackwoman. There’s a blackwoman that did the same thing to a blackman. I just think he should show both sides. Just look at the movie Antwoine Fisher and that was a true story.

OGslim30 said “Nothing by Tyler Perry will ever be nominated for an Oscar, and even if this movie does it won’t win. I refuse to support anyone who tries to make a profit from exploiting black people. When has Tyler Perry made a film that was based on historical fact, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!. He’s still an urban celebrity, not a mainstream success. When has Tyler Perry had a notable black actor in his movies,NEVER. Do The Right Thing is a classic, Rosewood, is a classic, New Jack City is a classic. Madea is the dumbest thing out. It’s still funny how black people support ignorance in it’s purest form. I don’t support Tyler Perry, and I don’t support Oprah Winfrey. No matter how hard she tries to cosign for Perry, it won’t work, his s**t is for dumb niggas, who like dumb nigga s**t.” Nope you’re an absolute dumbass og, with a touch of haterade! And my spelling was correct see you’re a DUMBASS!

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ITS A NOVEL A FICTION IT HAPPEN TO MONIQUE WEN SHE WAS YOUNGER I MEAN DAMN PEOPLE THE MAN DO MAKE SOME GOOD MOVIES YA’LL MAD CUZ HE RICH AND SUCCESSFUL AND DOIN HIS THING I LIKE HIS MOVIES THEY ALL GOOD QUIT HATING ON PERRY FOR REAL

i drove all the way from baltimore to dc to see this movie i really didnt care for the movie that much i was thinking it was going to be a tear jerker more then a comedy and it made me laugh more then anything just wasnt serious enough for me i loved the cast and i think everyone did a great performance but i guess i was expecting more and i dont se MO getting an award for this one but i still love her

BLAH BLAH BLAH!!

NOBODY WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT TYLER PERRY WHEN HE WAS A NOBODY. I NOTICED THESE WRITES START TO COMPLAIN WHEN OTHER WRITERS AND PRODUCERS ARE BEING RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR WORK.

slhm this is what I mean by NIGG3RS

“ya’ll mad cuz he rich”???

THIS IS WHAT UPSETS ME WHEN A DUMBAZZ INSUBORDINATE TO OUR PEOPLES PLIGHT NIGG3R SAY SOME ILLITERATE SHlT LIKE THIS…..LET’S TAKE IT FOR GRANTED HE IS “RICH”
BUT HOW WEALTHY IS HE OR OPRAH WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR SOULS???
I AM RICH WITH MY SOUL AND I HAVE A PIECE OF MIND BECAUSE THIS IMMATERIALISTIC SHlT WILL COME AND GO BUT WHERE’S THE FOUNDATION THAT YOU WILL LAY WOTHIN YOUR OWN RECKONING AND SALVATION??
Tyler Perry takes trannies to award gala’s in Atlanta(Babylon) because it is openly accepted aka Faglanta and D.C.
Oprah well I won’t speak on Oprah because she shows her worth and she is worthless 2 Black women and specially Black men

First Tyler Perry took the Black Grandmother which, was at one time was untouchable and made her into Madea. A gun toting, Cursing Buffoon. I have no desire 2 follow Tyler because he is not my type of writer. For I am a black man.! Negatively is how Mr. Perry sees me. Just look at his characters.! HYPOCTITE.
Oprah. Try Helping as U needed help. Mistah in the Color Purple set all Black Men back 50 years! Harpo, Weak… Stedman lost 2 Gayle. She attacked a baby, Chris Brown instead of guiding. Oh she is not a Mother,Thus no Maternal desires to Nurture. A Billion Dollars, No Kids and no man! This is the Image of the Most succesful Black Woman in American History.!!!
Something is wrong Family. We are in a State of emergency. Black folk need 2 be defined by negative images no more. ENOUGH.!!!
Tyler feeds his family with the negative imagery he concocts. Not His Fault. Nor should U Blame the Crack Dealer for selling Crack. He feeds his Family.. Right.? Just food for thought.

If you’ll notice, this writer who doesn’t even show his face, was able to show his disapproval of other black works. This is typical. What I’d like to see is a writer able to show his support of this black work getting exposure. Oh it’s no accident. In white america, you will always have it where someone can criticize black works and get plenty of exposure. The problem is, if you want to support black works, there’s hardly no one who want’s to expose it. This works much the same in politics. If I ever want to speak out against my black people, I’d have more exposure than I would know what to do with. I’d probably have a spot on television as well, but if I wanted to lift up my people, no newspaper reporter or television station would have the time. We as black people should learn to at least talk to our people and get their side of why the did the movie how they did it before running to the whites and proclaiming how our people are so wrong. Whites will always entertain this type of dialogue. It’s up to us to send a message that we won’t be this easily manipulated. Someone should tell this uncle-tom of a writer that he could have just as easily brought his concerns to Tyler and Oprah first to her their reasoning before deciding to help white america declare us as idiots who turn on each other. I think bad should be exposed along with the good. Oprah and Tyler, you make me proud. Keep up the good work. Oh and by the way, I’m an educated, intellectual thinker, who is not blinded by races of any kind, who lives in the whitest state in America. My friends don’t require that I remain friends with them by gathering negatives about my own people. They are mostly white, and yet we can get along even when I constuctively criticise their race and vice-versa. Writer, perhaps it is you and your methods that should be compared to the movie “birth of a nation,” not the movie “Precious.” I look forward to more movies by Tyler and Oprah. I will of course support them as they have both demonstrated a continual love for their race.

Well the verdict is still out for me on this film. I am not a huge Tyler Perry follower so I can not accurately predict when or how soon I will see this film. I do know that for me, the previews that I have seen did make me raise a brow to the films main character.

I would not advise anyone to compare films such as Do The Right Thing, SchoolDaze, New Jack City etc to anything Tyler Perry has made. Tyler Perry films, especially about Madea should not be taken too seriously. Unfortunately for those that complain, and I cant say I dont see why, will have to understand this is what mainstream is demanding and sadly it is not the best way to make an example for Black society, for our males in particular, but somehow, this is what is being generated by demand. Just as the negativity about the Black female in our music is demanded.

I know this; Black people always got somethin bad to say about another black person because its hard to prove otherwise. When all you see is bs about yourself on tv and movies and radio we can’t even see ourselves in a different way and we start to believe our own bullsh*t. Our self esteem as a culture is and has always been troubled. In order to lift this lack of real pride in ourselves as a people we gotta endorse better images of ourselves. The truth is not just down-trodden, sad, poor, slummy, bummy unrestrained, uncooth, depraved simple minded living. The truth is a diverse story of a diverse people with diverse issues. Stop actin like the effed up story is the only truth cause it isn’t. I’m done with this blog.

I SEE PEOPLE DIDN’T GO SEE THIS MOVIE AND FIRST OFF UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MOVIE WASN’T PORTRAYED AS THIS IS A STEREOTYPE ON BLACK FOLKS THIS WAS A RAW REAL ASS MOVIE THAT SHOWS WHAT WE WOMEN GO THROUGH HOW SOME WOMEN ARE BRAINWASHED PLAIN OL’STUPID TO LET THEY KIDS GO THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ITS THE TRUTH WOMEN GET RAPED BY PEOPLE IN THERE FAMILIES ALL THE TIME THIS AIN’T NEW BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, THIS CROSSES RACE, CAUSE EVERY RACE GOES THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME. WAKE UP PEOPLE OPEN YOUR EYES STOP BEING SO CLOSE MINDED TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON AROUND YOU. I HAPPENED TO LIKE THIS MOVIE CAUSE IT TOUCHED ON THINGS THAT VERY RARELY GETS TALKED ABOUT I WAS MAD AT THE END WHEN I FOUND OUT THE TRUTH AND REALIZED WOMEN DEAL AND GO THROUGH THIS CRAP ALL THE TIME HOW SOME ARE BLINDED USED AND ABUSED. IT RAISED THE QUESTION OF DADDY ISSUES SOME WOMEN HAVE.

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huh? Is this really a topic for discussion?

Armond White can take his opinion and shove it where the sun dont shine. Its an issue that needs to be brought out in the open and it affects all cultures and all genders so piss off.

And precious is not about hatre, nor about clowns wearing sheets that they should be hanging theirselves with because their stuck on stupid thinking their s hit dont stink when they are the biggest losers in the world.

I rarely go to the movies. I want to see the MJ movie and Precious as well. I trust Tyler Perry and Oprah so I believe if they are co-signing on this movie, it must be worthy.

Simply put, I do not believe they would produce something that does not educate the masses.

By the way, Monique has already won an award for her acting….wake up people.

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This has nothing to do with black people or white people. It is a movie about an extremely rarely discussed topic…child abuse. Thats it. It just happened to be that the characters were black and in the ghetto. The movie would not have struck so much of a cord if the movie was set in an affulent suburb..why? because 9/10 if there is abuse in the affulent suburb, the victims have access to the mental help that they need and support.

I don’t get why people are sooo upset over a movie that for all we know could help victims discuss their pain and seek the help that they need.

The writer is such a crybaby. We’ve got too many hypersensitive whiners.

That said, can’t these black film makers make something other than comedies or movies about hard, black inner city life?

I agree with NANASTROKER and WilSmith5. I have NO love for Tyler Perry nor Oprah. And I am sick of media defining them as ‘The Black America’ symbol of success. Now im not ‘hating’ on them because they are succesful, I just dont think success for black people has to ALWAYS come down to the degredation of our race as a whole. Yes im including rappers,actors,all of them in this assumation who are black, successful yet doing it while making US look bad. Once again I say, what is success worth when you have to make a fool of yourself (T Perry) or you dont even CONNECT with black people (oprah). When do we see Oprah in the rally of black people? When shes making a movie about them…other than that, her TV show audience is 90% middle aged WHITE women. I say she is only “Down for the black struggle” when its convenient for her pockets….

i saw the movie last nite and it was very good and sad bc these things do happen in all families black, white, and other races. the problem is that noone wants to talk about it or help them. the public waits for bad things to happen then they want to talk about it. look at that little davis girl that just died i wonder how hard the father tried to get custody of his daughter or did the system just push the mother throw the cracks bc they dont want to deal with it. this movie should make the powers that be crack down on the well-fare system and social workers to find out whats going on in these homes bc children should be loved by their parents not abused. im glad that at the end precious saw that she was worthy to be loved and not abused anymore by her hateful mom. u need to see the movie or read the book before u call it demoralize black people its a wake up call for us as black people to help one another not hurt them. maybe this film can help one girl break the silence in abuse and if it has then the movie has done its job.

Case and Point

LADYBREEANN1
11-21-2009 11:00 pm
look at that little davis girl that just died i wonder how hard the father tried to get custody of his daughter or did the system just push the mother throw the cracks bc they dont want to deal with it. this movie should make the powers that be crack down on the well-fare system and social workers to find out whats going on in these homes bc children should be loved by their parents not abused. im glad that at the end precious saw that she was worthy to be loved and not abused anymore by her hateful mom.

Typical way 2 either Blame the Father(now is he REALLY the reason) this tragedy happened or is it the system ladyB? Let’s choose the latter…the System has accomplished their goal 4 the structure of the Black family….can you receive welfare if the Father is at home?? how many women are on welfare and child support and the Father spends time with his child so during this time the father spends more money during the time he spends so the Father is already isolated from the “family” and the father has 3 different forms of financial issues and the Mother is touted as a champion 4 being an INDEPENDENT SINGLE PARENT WOMAN while the Father is not giving any accolades for his issues he has 2 deal with dealing with the Mother and the System combined and let’s say 4 instance the father happens 2 be unemployed….now the nature of this issue has comprimised many elements of the Family structure.
Let’s look at the fact if the Father is at fault:
U stated that “why didn’t the Father try and get custody of his child” this is A somewhat honest question….so lets look at the reality of this….the severity of a Father achieving custody of his child is a slim chance 2 none and ANY Lawyer will tell you this and this is not a cheap ordeal…..now if your dealing with a situation of this magnitude you have a up Mt. Everest battle because the deciding factor has been placed before hand assuming the child is concieved out of wedlock…..99.9% the MOTHER is stated as the LEGAL GUARDIAN in(I believe)Any State….If the child is concieved during Marraige the Father has slightly a better chance pending on the issues during the Divorce and the factors that has been established during the Marraige (let’s say the Mother abused the children or xposed them 2 A potentially LIFE THREATENING ORDEAL) I mean even if the Mother committed Adultery she is still going 2 get the children. So how many BlackMen will go through with all that this Country has put up roadblocks and spikestrips in your path dealing with the system and Women or babymama drama.

killadyme is right. this movie is about child abuse and the psychological and physical side effects from it. wasnt american beauty about a disfunctional and abusive white family? white people thought it was a moving and brilliant movie. there are a ton of white movies that deal with physical, sexual, and emotional abuse and all kinds of fugged up shyt and no one said it degrades their whole race. lets get a grip here… this story should be told.

I havent seen the movie yet but i will before i make judgement. tyler perry did not direct or write the movie so it might actually be good! despite the images that seem to be potrayed in the movie, if it is written well i will give director Lee his props!!!

I agree again @NANASTROKER- Even as a woman, parent, it is extremely hard for men to gain custody of their children. The system is NOT fair and it is definately not aimed at helping the fathers. The system does not care what the father is going through, what issues he has, trials or tribulations…it only wants to ‘Pocket Rape’ (child support) them to no end. And as a woman with female associates that have children and receive child support, these females don’t even use the money for what its for…But the system doesnt even check into any of that.

On a second quick note…I thought I wanted to see this movie when I first heard about it and then read the book ‘Push’…But now, nah, I dont think I want to anylonger.

never understood wanting so badly to see a really good movie of such a bad story.
how depressing.

This movie is a must see and those who don’t want to see well atleast you’ll be hearing others talk about lol…

Well lets just put it this way the more fathers who continue to fight for the custody of their children will see that it’s not as hard as it use to be and like some say.

And in some cases the courts are seeing that some fathers have the abililty to take care of their children as some mothers and are even a better parent.

As for child support they tell you it’s not their job to montior how the money is spent just like welfare they don’t montior what happens with the money the receiptent is given. It would be nice if it worked that way but not enough time nor man power in their budget

I agree with C4pricorn

I must say that Armond White hits it on the nose except he has his movies wrong. This is exactly how I felt about Hustle and Flow. That movie was an exaggeration of black life told from the construal of a white man. I’m sorry but I do not agree with white people telling “our” story especially the story of struggle and tragedy. I have to give tyler and oprah some credit for attempting to tell the story from the correct side of the lense.

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If you value your HEALTH and your Childrens health you need 2 spare 1 hour of your time 2 view something I found very disturbing 2 say the least and it may come in2 fruition on December 31, 2009
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I think what a lot of you are not seeing or wanting to acknowledge is Precious is real. Precious is as real as real can be. We do not want to even imagine that someone can live a life like this. but they do. What I am hoping is that other women or young ladies who may have been molested come forth and get healing because if they don’t they will continue the vicious cycle. Did I hate her mother, yes, but as you can see from the movie, she was a victim too. In her own twisted mind, she wanted to know why she was not enough to keep him from wanting her daughter. Are they mothers that speak to their children like this, Yes and I have witnessed it from a far and I was totatlly speechless. Everyone does not live in our bubble. Some children are living like Precious. But in the end, she survived it and was beginning to find some peace in her life.

F*ck The Movie
Read the Book:”Push”

If u seen the movie w/o reading the book than u wasted money because of the obvious: the whole book is never included in the movie.

If you value your HEALTH and your Childrens health you need 2 spare 1 hour of your time 2 view something I found very disturbing 2 say the least and it may come in2 fruition on December 31, 2009

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I believe they have always been contaminating foods

Is it just me or has America become an overly sensitive nation of complainers about the slightest thing. I’m sure the movie Precious wasn’t meant to suggest this is every American American. However you must realize it is someone’s work of art that is expression that person’s feelings. Get some balls America and suck it up!!!

slit_lcka005 …..have you seen Daddy’s Little Girls???

I have to agree with Shelby and Dr beat it up (not liking that screen name, though lol)

Blacks should be fed up with constantly being portrayed as low lives who love fried chicken (and drugs) who sleep with their relatives. When are we going to see more positive images in the media. But how soon I forgot that the media is racist, homophobic, and sexist….mainly because the people have allowed it to be that way.

I watched the movie Precious last night, and no it was not damaging. yall feel that just because they were black that other races dont go through the same thing. ugh just shut up and let “our” people make their money.

not worthy for oscar…

WRONG. It’s time for BLACK PEOPLE to stop letting other people define them. NOBODY tells me who I am. NOBODY tells me what to think or what to feel.

It’s a movie about ONE BLACK WOMAN, not ALL black women, so all this jibba-jabba is completely unnecessary and tiresome. Moving right along…

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well here we go again playing the race card this movie was not about race it was about abuse which has been happening for hundreds of years and here we are still sticking our head in the ground .this is not a race problem but a people problem .Wake up and pay attenton to our daughters and sons

What worries me about this article, are the people that are going to read this article without ever seeing the movie or reading the book and they are going to form an opinion based upon these faulty words. I have read the book as well as seeing the movie, and it made me realize that it is time for us to start taking accountability in our community. I totally disagree with the author, she was not saved by white people, she was victimized by her own community and brought from the bowls of hell by her community. That was a major point of the movie. The problem lies in the fact that whenever we are told the truth about what is going on around us, there is a finger that is pointed across the racial lines but we don’t take the time to realize that three fingers are pointed back at us. Another issue I want to bring to the table is that “every woman” no matter how big or small the incident may have been has been a victim of inappropiate sexual contact whether it was a remark or a touch. As a community the criticism needs to stop and action needs to be taken

The only damage being done is this author. It was certainly written from ignorance, how can someone’s life be damaging and compared to the kkk. How is this TRUE story harmful to the black community? We need to realize that in order to make this better, we need to face our reality, change can only come when we do so. We need to look at the positivity of this girl’s struggles and how she over came it. It sad to say that her own community wasn’t reaching out and helping her. At times it’s a stranger who will treat you better than your own relatives. Notice I did not say family, a family is what you build from love and understanding no matter if it’s a relative, friend or stranger.

well till mrw i will never believe any body born of woman can look down on any one cus u will never take part in anywork of creation done by creator and no matter ur color or ur scholastical attentment nor ur financial statues its make no diffrencs. an am still wondering whether in heaven black and yellow ar nt going to stay together. pls people of God lets look up cus the great judge will judge every one accordingly irrespective of ur color or wht everever u can think of. i love u black,brown, color yelow and white.thanks naija 4 life

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The book is better…the movie is ok. I get what people are saying, and I agree with both sides. It is a visually damaging movie (I grew up on the Southside of Chi and never met a Precious), and it’s simply a movie…I think what the writer is asking: why is that when it comes to oscars and African American movies it seems the more negative the images and story, the more likely it’ll win awards…it’s more than about making money…what ever happen to films like “Love Jones?” “Boomerang?” “Waiting to Exhale?” “Love and Basketball?” “A Thin Line Between Love and Hate?” “House Party?”

WE ARE OUR WORST ENEMY!ONLY WE CAN SAVE OURSELVES!MAINSTEAM BLACK “SENSITIVITY” MAKES ME SICK.WE NEED TO CHECK OURSELVES!!!

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I was thinking nobody care but it true I hate that movie and when I see my ppl saying they love it I want to care

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