the funny thing is hollyfield was always on the religious tv shows talking about the lord and god this and god that but behind closed doors he was doing what alot of so call church going black women do praise the lord on sunday then make babies on monday without even being married the sad thing is this is what most black women make babies with boody calls are hookups with no problem

d amn shame…women took advantage of the champ!

Sad. 11 kids…even throwing a few dollars at them is not love.
Love is time, attention, and being in love with the mother.

None of this is there.

don’t forget, all of these kids are 1/2 siblings and they most likely have 1/2 siblings from teir mothers.

You need pen and paper to figure out who belongs to whom.

Jack_Stephen1/6ft6 Jerk…

Ummmm they took advantage of him? So yall think he was thrown down and raped 11 times..OR did he WILLINGLY whip his DlCK out and stick it in those women? Come on now guys lets let the responsibility rest in both hands as it should…

This actually says more about the gold digging,idolatrous attitude of many black women in our society,its really a shame that much of the child support cases isnt the cause of black men but blackwomen, I personally have been approached by a black woman who after knowing me and the great amount of money I was making, wanted a baby after only 3days of meeting me,she talked as though the both of us would always be together and I was much obliged as she was an exceptionally beautifull woman and I didnt have a boy which was my passion.However as I learned just a little more about her living on the project,having 4 kids already and receiving $600 per week from all 4 baby daddies I backed out and refused to sleep with her.She got angry,went on to another guy , got pregnant as she had planned and left him 4 weeks after the baby’s birth and now she receives $125.00 per week from him 18 more years on the project and $200.00 more in foodstamps.This “baby for profit” business is popular and common amoung many black women today but it is hurting us as a race,with kids growing up without a father’s presence then turning to gangs, drugs,and alcohol.Whts even more sad isthe fact that a lot of our so called black intellectuals still havent caught on to this game and therefore are constantly blaming black males for the overwhelming fatherlessness within the black community without giving any thought to the fact that with this being a time of pills,patches,iud’s,and injections, women bare most of the responsibilty for black fatherlessness

It’s the Males who BETTER watch out, what they do in terms of being out & about slinging D**K, thinking they are some kind of Playa, because at the end of the day, when muliple cases of child-support comes & visits their A**’s when we got a Big, Grown A**s Cry Baby, acting like HE was set up by the sytem, etc., it’s always something, or someone elses fault S**T came back & bit him in his A**! All Females are not Fit to be Mother’s, neither are some Males meant to be Fathers! I’ve met a many men who is now 36 years old, MOST thinking they are going to be a Rapper, still leaning on 1 of the 3 mommy’s (Grand/Birth/Baby(s)) and he’s one pathetic, poor excuse for a man/male! 36 years old & NEVER completed nothing in life but Jail/Prison Sentences & multiple sexual rump’s with an endless parade of females! As he get’s older & more Pathetic the multiple females in his life grows old, tired & un-interested & moves on to the next up & come men/male they can melt down, manipulate as they sharpen their Mental Illiness Skills along with keeping up with the lastest way’s to hustle the system & stay qualified for the lastest hand-out’s at multiple social agency’s! To date I see up to 3 generation of kid’s born into the madness. It’s so sad and the ONLY one’s who does lose in that sick game of life IS THE KIDS! The poor souls have no clue of how to make it in the real world, being independent or self-sufficent then the males repeat what he see’s how the males survive & the females repeat what they’ve seen via females survival techniques! Sad Story’s for sure!

“Dr.” Boyce you basically wrote a story so that you could talk about Holyfield. Last i heard he was working with companies to take care of the financial obligations. It is tough times for many business men. Now as for the 11 kids. Ok Holyfield is not as educated as you and me. I am not sure what his mindset was when he started having kids. Perhaps he had more opportunities than you so it would be hard for you to deal with the temptations that Holyfield went through. Secondly, Holyfield has always been a spiritual seeker who has had difficulty living up to the path he followed. It probably has to do with his suppression of trying to do the right thing and towing the line of lusting that makes him a wild man when it is time to get busy. For the man who has not sinned then cast the first stone.

This is truly sad this story needs to be posted up everywhere because society has attached getting a big fish with money and having his baby as a career goal for some woman. When its all said and done the money is always the first to go! God Bless them kids!

Rich men and should not marry broke ones, if you rich GET A PRENUP, and put on a CONDOM.

vernontrumpet, “This actually says more about the gold digging,idolatrous attitude of many black women in our society,its really a shame that much of the child support cases isnt the cause of black men but blackwomen”

How is this MORE the cause of black women? Im sorry but black women dont go around RAPING the likes of holyfield or lil wayne etc…For every pregnant woman, guess what…there was a WILLING man not far away…And doesnt it seem funny that holyfield has 11 kids? There is another story on here about a guy that has 21 kids? lil wayne has 4 kids and two of them are the same age! So it would seem to me that BOTH parties are equally responsible…Thats whats wrong with black men now..they NEVER want to take responsibility for their actions, they always want to cry..”Shes doing this to ME!”..AND for the record who in hell said that the women he had these kids with are all black women? You know how black athletes do it! Not a black woman in the damn bunch probably. I’m sorry, but I am the same age as a male cousin of mine..I have two children, he has SEVEN(7)!!! Now what is that saying? I as the black WOMAN have more regard, respectability and good sense than he does as the black MAN..So what youre saying is its ok for black men to run around rampant, slangin seed every which way, making babies just as long as the women dont seek child support? How about the MEN as well as the women be more respectable and ADULT before they start the horizontal tango…NO one will EVER grow up with people like YOU making excuses all the time!! get the fukk outta here with that “its the black womans problem” bullshyt…

If the man is dumb enough to keep having unprotected sex and children out of wedlock then you can’t blame the woman for being a gold digger. It takes 2 to tango. Men are just dumb and will do anything for sex no matter what the consequences are.

To VernonTrumpet who said: “…constantly blaming black males for the overwhelming fatherlessness within the black community without giving any thought to the fact that with this being a time of pills,patches,iud’s,and injections, women bare most of the responsibilty for black fatherlessness.”

Brother, the SAME way BW know about “pills,patches,iud’s,and injections” is the same way dudes know about CONDOMS and KEEPING IT ZIPPED UP. Y’all kill me with that bullshiiit.

If dudes know there are women out there running game, whose fault is that if he goes in bareback? Was he RAPED? Was his sperm taken at gunpoint?

Here’s a short biology lesson:

1) women don’t make themselves pregnant, it takes a man (or a male) to provide the SPERM (aka choose NOT to use a condom)

(2) Women can’t MAKE themselves pregnant because they can’t MAKE the sperm FERTILIZE the egg. That’s an act of GOD, who gonna blame next? HIM?

Once you bring a kid into the world, it’s a DONE DEAL. You played your part. Now, the kid is the priority, not you, not her. Unless she RAPED YOU and you called the POLICE, you got no beef (except what u used to make the kid) with nobody but your own azz.

Here we got a black community going under, poor azz white females marrying rich BM and taking over half in a divorce (u didn’t say peep about that), BM buying $4K rims, and diamond earpieces, fatherless black kids, single, divorced, widowed black females raising 70% of the kids, and you think “gold-diggers” are our biggest problem?

As a black MAN with a woman and kids I WANTED, that’s a busta move for a BM to have sex with NO protection then punish his own shorty (his BLOOD) and blame the woman for his BAD CHOICES.

Sticking and moving, making babies and leaving them, that’s SLAVE THINKING, brother. That’s what we were forced to do as slaves, stud animals, Slaveowners would used us like ANIMALS, and we obeyed unless we wanted the crack (of a whip) on our backs.

the slaveowners have created economic conditions that make it hard to support our kids, but now we leaving our shorties by CHOICE, running out the door and running away from our RESPONSIBILITIES as MEN, because we got the same slave mentality we had 150 years ago.

No doubt there are scandalous females, who will use a kid to make a living (sic) , but we supposed to be MEN, we supposed to have brains, we’re supposed to use the big head before we stick with NO PROTECTION, and before you do you better ask yourself, “Do I want her to be the mother of my kis?”

If the answer ain’t a definite HELL YES!, wrap it up tight! or take a pass (on that azz). If you fail to do that, brother, you ain’t got NOBODY to blame but your damn self.

@Cherronw Women are just as dumb as hell too. If yall see a dollar hanging out of a man’s pocket then yall think he is balling. Yes I look down on men who bring kids into this world and don’t take care of them but women love getting pregnant by men with money so they can have a meal ticket for the next 18 years and yall know that this man don’t want to be with you he just want him a quick fukc, so you women are just as guilty when they use babies as income.

Southern_Swagger82

brother, then WE need to be in the homes, teaching our black girls how to be better women. A lot of messed up females either didn’t have a daddy or had a man in the house who set a poor role model. A lot of our girls are sexually abused/beaten by adult males, so they got a beef with men in general.

I have dated many, many women, and i have NEVER met a BW who had a good daddy that she loved, who dissed BM. Why? Because they had a GOOD ROLE MODEL DADDY.

If we want black girls to grow up to be women who respect us, we got to be good role models AND we GOT TO BE THERE TO TEACH THEM what a good man is. We got to stop pretending our absence in the home is not part of the problem.

Brother WE are the ones missing in action, leaving single mothers struggling financially and morally. All we’re doing is keeping the generational curse going that started during slavery.

I know, i know, nobody wants to hear about slavery (even though most are ignorant as hell about their own history), but somebody tell me the difference between a stud slave and a male who drops some sperm and moves on, expecting the WM to pick up the slack?

I don’t get this fatherless kids is all the female’s fault bullshiit…

crammasters, thank you bruh..Until black men start acting like they too have something to do with the problem it will NEVER stop…Quit pointing the finger at woman for opening her legs and check those dudes that unzip their pants as well. It kills me as to how MOST black men think having babies is JUST the womans fault…Last time I checked, babies get 23 chromosomes each from a woman and a MAN..

His fault, her fault! Actually the responsibility lies with both the male and female who irresponsibily bring children into the world when they are ill equipped to provide for their physical, emotional, psychological and/or financial well being. Playing the blame game only serves to divide and clouds the issue. The conversation should be about everyone concerned being prepared to raise a child so that they may reach their full potential and be productive members of society. It should be about men being providers and women being nurturers and about them making responsible decisions in regards to choosing their mates. We must raise the level of discourse in order to properly address the issue and stop blaming each other.

CaliFemme23, it’s a vicious cycle

girls who don’t have fathers, will pick males and have babies for the wrong reasons (because they don’t know what a real man is)

these girls will become mothers by having babies with males who aren’t men

and (1) raise daughters who won’t become women because they don’t know what a real woman is, who will have sex with males who don’t know what a real man is

and (2) raise sons who won’t become men because they don’t know what a real man is, who will have sex with females who don’t know what a real woman is

and so the cycle in the black community continues…

so it’s easy to understand why things are so jacked up
why our kids are jacked up
and why THEIR kids will be jacked up

and to make matters WORSE, we doing all this IR dating, and I’m watching the same baby momma drama with white females (a damn shame)
so now we got the WHITE dynamic added to a critical black mass situation
and more confused black (or half-black) babies
who are being raised by angry WHITE females
who don’t know a damn thing about raising a SANE black child

more madness and confusion…

If I could make a law, nobody would have kids until they were

1) over the age of 25
2) finished high school
3) drug free
4) sane and stable
5) employed (because diapers and baby food COSTS MONEY)
6) be married or at least in a committed, LONG-TERM relationship

deo2, you hit the nail on the head.

The conversation needs to be raised above the hysterical blame game
so we can focus on what’s best for our black children.

crammasters, You are speaking nothing but TRUTH….

CRAMMASTERS, I AGREE BUT TO A DEGREE AND SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. MY DAD UP AND LEFT MY BROS N SIS WHEN I WAS 12.. JUST UP AND LEFT AS IF WE WEREN’T GOOD ENOUGH. IM 23, HAPPY, GOOD JOB, IN SCHOOL, HAVE A GREAT MAN WHOM IVE BEEN WITH FOR 3 YEARS (KNOWN FOR 4 YRS) AND NO CHILDREN.. WHAT IM SAYING IS WOMEN/MEN CANT BLAME YOUR PAST ON YOUR FUTURE. IVE BEEN THROUGH WORSE, JUST TO NAME A FEW..

11 kids is just too much in this country.

He is not a Saudi King that does such thing.

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…If I had 11 “children” that I could not financially support, I’d be in prison right now, nobody would give a f*ck about my personal failures and I wouldn’t even have the chance to write on this blog right now!!!!….DUDE??!!….WEAR A CONDOM!!!!….lol!….

for the record, the champ and men aren’t w/o blame. 49% of the responsibility is ours. i think some men are too trusting and believe a female when she says she can’t or is done having kids. but if a man wants to be sure not to have any then he should refrain.

All I have to say is yes Holyfield can’t complain about nothing. He f**k them women without no protection knowing he could get them pregnat. I can understand 2 or maybe 3 but 11 that’s just dumb. He was listen to 50 cent “have a baby by me baby be a millionaire” song to much. But what can u expect from him most of his common sense was beaten out of him lol. Now with that being said doesn’t get these women off the hook. They just as gulity and stupid too. Yes he didn’t use a condom but y u let a nigga f**k u raw anyway. These women saw him as a stimulus plan. U can tell all these women was his jumpoffs. I don’t understand these niggas with always male poor moves with women. I once to heard to bring down a powerful is to put a woman in his path. Now do I think it’s true hmmmm some what depends on the motive.

To a point I agree with everyone. However I must say that it is both the black male and female fault. Bad decisions led to bad outcomes. I can’t blame the white man/women or slavery because everyone has the ability to say no. No one is forcing them to not respect one another & be irresponsible. I also believe people tend to make excuses for their actions. White women suing black men I don’t get that? MJ’s wife got 158 million. Any women is going to get support for her kids regardless of race. I don’t know if the story is true about the woman having babies to get more public assistant but that is a sick thought. Holifield 11 & the man with 21 kids is insane!

Solutions:
People need to make better choices. People need to be more selective when it comes to opposite sex. Steve Harvey made a good point about women making men wait. No kids until after completing college or marriage. Waiting to have sex is a good plan. Don’t continue to make the same mistakes. No matter what happens the parents must get along & financially, emotionally & spiritually support their kid. Use protection & take the time to get to know the other person. Get a hobby, read more or volunteer helping others.

Wisdom:
People have to be responsible for what they do. I don’t let any man/woman of any color stop me from having self respect, determination and confidence in my abilities. We can all do the same. Whatever it takes be there for your kids.

hunnieEBunz

I’m glad you rose above your circ**stances, but a lot of folks don’t. All we have to do is look around our communities…

It’s hard for a strong-minded person (like yourself) to understand that everyone is not as strong, or that some people have experienced things we know nothing about (extreme abuse or neglect, rape, etc) and it sounds like you had at least one good parent.

It’s not about blaming the past, it’s about UNDERSTANDING it. Everybody does what they do for a reason (even if it’s a bad reason). Sometimes, we are too quick to call other folks stupid, when they have been poorly trained or totally untrained, and are acting out their PROGRAMMING from childhood.

You take that same person, turn the clock back, and put them in a different family/environment, and their behavior and mentality would be different. There is too much evidence that something is going wrong in too many black households, but I hear what you’re saying.

CaliFemme23,

the irony of this kind of discussion is some of us
act like these young folks fell out of a space pod,
and we black adults had no hand in raising them…

crammasters, I agree, totally. You know I think A LOT of the problem is that parents tend to NOT want the help anymore. The black community has gotten very ‘closed’ to child rearing. When I was growing up everyone knew me in the neighboorhood, Ms. ‘so and so’ had her eye on me, Mrs. ‘such and such’ saw me acting up and she caught me. If I got in some trouble it seemed like EVERYBODY was there even if my parents werent available on the spot. No more of that. I saw my neighboors daughter of 14 years old behind the back of a building one night with a boy and her moms wanted to fight me because I told her she had no business out there like that….and guess what…that CHILD just had a baby back in December. Her mother had the NERVE to tell me ‘I dont know what happened, where I went wrong with her”…Hmmmm

In these times eleven kids is way too many, even if you make millions of dollars a year. I want to comment on what was said about the child support agencies not playing. I have 2 sons with my ex-husband, he insisted on shared parenting. Not because he really wanted to be a part of his sons lives, but because he didn’t want to have to pay more child-support. When we were together I am the one who took care of all the household responsibilities. He is pissed at me because I left him so shared parenting is his way of making me pay for leaving him. He was supposed to provide medical insurance for his sons, which almost 2 years later he still has not done. He is supposed to help me buy school clothes and supplies, which he does not. If these boys get sick I am the one taking them to the doctor. When they need something I am the one to provide it for them. I am so tired of hearing about how child support does not play!……I am an example of how they do play…….

If a man really cares about his children and wants to be a father instead of a “Daddy” I am all for that, but most of these supposed to men out here need to grow up and stop crying about how unfair child-support is and take an active role in their child’s lives. Mothers have to do everything, but we are accused of trying take thier money. I have a 17 yr. old and a 16 yr old…….all these boys do is eat and grow….one wears a sz. 13 shoe…..$ 200 a month does not cover that……I am a fulltime student in my last year of school. Recently remarried, and if it was not for my new husband life would be a lot more difficult. There are some good men out here, but it is those “good men” that are taking up all the “Daddies” slack and not getting any props for it. This man has done more for my sons in 6 years than their own Daddy has done for them in their whole life……and that is sad!

the STATE (courts) = the pimp
the female = the prostitute
the male = the trick

I really think it’s crazy that black women are made out to be the bad guys because they want support from their child’s father. I was with my ex for almost 2 years before we had my daughter we broke up a year later and I took him to court a few months after that. Yeah he called me all kinds of gold diggin names but I wasn’t a gold digger as long as you didn’t have to pay support. He skipped town for almost 2 years and tells me it’s all my fault because I wanted support. He says I don’t need the support and should go back to court to drop my case.
Yes I own my own home, drive a nice car, have my daughter in a good school but support is used to help take care of her. What happens to her if something happens to me? Unfortunately because I have diabetes I can not get a good enough life insurance policy that will pay out enough to keep the house and take care of her, so support will do that.
Black men need to step up or shut up your too busy worrying about your pockets and forgetting about your kids, and instead of crying go out and get a 2nd or 3rd job if need be to take care of your kids. I worked 2 jobs until I quite one to go back to school to make sure my child has the same lifestyle I was brought up in. He swore he would always take care of his no matter what and he didn’t.
I also went back to court to have the amount he is to pay lowered per his request to show my daughter that I am not the bad person he will make me out to be when she gets old enough to ask. When I went to file the papers the people asked me is I was paying him because they have never seen a mother walk in and request support to be lowered if she wasn’t the one paying.

Its funny how the most educated of us, can be the most foolish at times. Dont judge Holyfield. His decision to have as many kids as he wanted, was his and the women he laid down with. I’m sure that the kids dont regret it! I’ll take a few years of poverty, over an abortion scalpel anyday.

There is no real sense of community anymore, everyone has suckled at the nipple of the jackal called American greed & advancement. Why is it wrong for a man whom at one point made over $100 million to want 11 kids? The issue, is if he’s having them all over the place. There’s a show on TLC, about a right wing Christian family with about 15 kids I think. White folks out in the Midwest, and different sections of this country know what time it is. The more kids you have, the stronger the name, the stronger the line. Which is why they put church, family, finance first! They even go so far as to intermarry, be marrying cousins and what not, just to keep the money in the family. Thats how all those damn Rockefeller’s and Rothchilds be doing. Black People have been mis-educated and have been bought and sold by the American dream. Which is the same American dream, that had our asses in chains below deck. Marrying a fertile-good woman, and having 20 kids with her, raising & educating those kids, is the biggest blessing we could give our ancesters. Just because some of yall are so lost, and can barely rear 1 child, dont judge.

Holyfield is no different than 80 percent of Americans if he’s broke right now. Who are we or anybody else to judge that man. If you earned pay checks in the millions, your spending habits would be different too. Earning $100 million is just gross, the government wants half of that off top (or most likely on the back end. Which is how he most likely got broke!), management wants its 15 percent, promotions wants its cut, the trainers want their cut, etc….But in his head, he thought he made $100 million. So why not run out and buy that $30 million dollar house, with the Bentleys and coups etc. Think about that, the next time you cash your check at the end of the week, and question where it all went by Monday morning. We’ve never heard of him beating up his kids, molesting them, or no craziness like that. Woody allen done married one of his kids, but he still gets love by society. By all accounts, Holyfield seems to be a good man, that made a few bad decisions. He, like most athletes only have a short span of a career, especially if you use your body in such a way. I hope that the same people who were happy to party, and be around when he was rich, are there to show him the same love now. Which we all know most likely wont happen. If his kids have half his fight in them, they’ll be fine in life.

thank you@ RAMSES_NY !!!!

I had to quote thizzzzzz

“There is no real sense of community anymore, everyone has suckled at the nipple of the jackal called American greed & advancement. Why is it wrong for a man whom at one point made over $100 million to want 11 kids?”

“The more kids you have, the stronger the name, the stronger the line. Which is why they put church, family, finance first!”

“Marrying a fertile-good woman, and having 20 kids with her, raising & educating those kids, is the biggest blessing we could give our ancesters.”

@Crammasters, because you asked. The difference between a stud slave and a male who drops some sperm and moves on is that the stud male had no choice.

LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT,BOXERS AREN’T BROKE LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE. BROKE TO THEM IS 20 MILLION. NOW, THEY CAN GET ACTING JOB. OPEN RESTAURANT,STORE,CAR DEALER.ALSO WITH 11 CHILDREN SOME OF THEM MUST BE AT LEAST 18YEARS OLD BY NOW.
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