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Police Shooting Times Square

NEW YORK – A machine pistol used by a street hustler and aspiring rapper shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased from a Virginia gun shop by a woman who reported it stolen 10 days after she bought it, authorities said.

Raymond Martinez, who wrote songs about staring down cops inTimes Square and hawked CDs to tourists, was carrying a stolen Mac-10 pistol and a pocketful of business cards from Virginia gun dealers — including the one where the gun was purchased — when he was killed by a plainclothes officer near the Marriott Marquis hotel, police said. The handgun, which held 30 rounds, jammed after Martinez got off three shots.

Jordan Kelsey-Stewart, 25, bought the weapon Oct. 18 from Dale’s Guns in Powhatan, Va., chief NYPD police spokesman Paul Browne said Friday. Officials with Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are trying to find her and are investigating whether she had any connection to Martinez; a telephone listing for her could not immediately be found on Friday.

Police said Kelsey-Stewart reported the gun stolen from her car Oct. 28 in Richmond, Va. It was unclear how Martinez obtained it, and there was some evidence he owned it for only a brief period of time — weeks at most and perhaps just days.

Investigators also were trying to determine whether Martinez had other weapons. They said they found a .22-caliber handgun during a police search of Martinez’s home on Friday.

“We’re actively investigating whether he was involved in purchasing firearms,” Browne said.

Dale Blankenship, who owns Dale’s Guns, said he provided the information about who bought the gun to the ATF earlier Friday. He said Kelsey-Stewart was from the Richmond area, had all the proper identification and passed a background check when she purchased the weapon.

Blankenship said she bought the gun by herself. He didn’t know what happened to the gun after he sold it.

“I have no idea,” he told The Associated Press. “I don’t know how the gun was stolen.”

Martinez, 25, went by the rap name “Ready” and regularly sold CDs for his group, Square Free, in Times Square. He was part of a freelance collection of hawkers who sell self-produced wares on the street.

Police said Martinez ran a scam in which he would autograph a CD or put a passerby’s name on it, and then demand payment of $10. He had been arrested June 19 at 1515 Broadway, the exact same location where Thursday’s confrontation started, for not having a tax stamp, which allows hawkers to sell their self-produced wares.

Vendors selling their own work are protected by the First Amendment and fall outside the stricter regulation of vendors selling retail goods.

The sheer number of vendors in Times Square and their aggressiveness lead to frequent confrontations with authorities trying to catch counterfeiters and protect tourists from scams.

Martinez and his brother are well known to regular Times Square denizens and videos of them rapping and getting hassled by police are posted on YouTube. In one shaky video, Martinez shouts, “They ain’t taking me nowhere!” and “I’m ready to lay some down!” as officers, their hands in their pockets, escort him from the area. His lyrics talk of hawking CDs and staring down cops.

Sgt. Christopher Newsom usually works in uniform on a task force that tracks aggressive peddling. He was in plainclothes when he stopped Martinez on Thursday and asked him for his tax stamp, setting off the chase and shootout.

Josiah Deandrea, who was distributing fliers Friday to a comedy act a block from the shooting scene, said he had seen Martinez in the area in the past.

“Nobody had any idea he had a gun,” Deandrea said.

Daniel O’Phalen, 24, who passes out fliers in Times Square for the musical “White Christmas,” said Martinez was part of a regular crew of CD salesmen. Sometimes, he said, the group would order him off a corner, saying he was on their territory.

“They’re pushy. They’re not nice guys,” he said.

Still, it’s rare that police encounters with peddlers escalate to gunfire.

“These are usually quality-of-life violations, and they typically do not escalate, they don’t involve violators being armed,” Browne said.

If Martinez had recently gone looking for a gun, it wouldn’t have been unusual for him to look out of state.

Because buying a firearm is so difficult in New York, people barred from owning pistols here often travel south to shop at gun shows where there are no required background checks for people buying secondhand weapons. Martinez didn’t have a license to own a firearm.

There is also a steady supply of guns purchased at southern gun shops and smuggled north.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg has been a fierce critic of gun stores with a record of selling weapons that later wound up in the hands of criminals, suing several of them in recent years for reckless conduct and driving several out of business.

“This is one of the great public health threats. And our police officers are clearly in danger,” the mayor said Friday.

The machine pistol like the type used Thursday are rare in the city: only 26 have been recovered so far this year, compared with 5,427 other guns. In 2008, there were 46 recovered, and 5,959 other guns.

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UPDATE 12/11/09 8:40

NEW YORK — Raymond Martinez was running a common scam on the throngs of holiday tourists in Times Square, pushing shoppers to buy his CDs, police said. But Martinez was no ordinary peddler, they said: He was carrying a loaded pistol and had a handful of business cards from gun dealers in his pockets.

The 25-year-old was shot to death by a plainclothes police sergeant Thursday after trading gunfire in the taxi area of the landmark Marriott Marquis hotel.

Sgt. Christopher Newsom operates a task force that monitors aggressive panhandling and was patrolling with an anti-crime unit when he recognized Martinez and his brother from past run-ins. He asked the two for their tax stamps, which allow peddlers to sell on the streets. But Martinez took off running, through to the hotel’s passenger drop-off area.

Newsom pursued, and Martinez turned and fired with a machine pistol that held 30 rounds, getting off two shots before it jammed, police said. The officer fired four times, striking Martinez in the chest and arms and killing him, police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
“We’re lucky the weapon jammed,” Kelly said.

Martinez’s brother Oliver returned to the family’s Bronx home Thursday evening after hours in police custody. Another brother, Anthony, arrived at the home later Thursday, crying out that he hates police: “They shot my brother!” he said, hugging Oliver.

Investigators are trying to determine whether Raymond Martinez was selling illegal weapons. They say the gun he used in the shooting was reported stolen in Richmond, Va., on Oct. 28.

Police say they also found four business cards linked to Virginia gun dealers near Richmond, in Hampton Roads and in Ivor. All the gun shops declined to comment.

One of the cards had a handwritten message on the back: “I just finished watching ‘The Last Dragon.’ I feel sorry for a cop if he think I’m getting into his paddy wagon,” according to police. It’s unclear who wrote the message, apparently referencing the 1985 martial arts movie.

Police say it’s not uncommon that some hawkers are also arrested on more serious charges. Police Capt. Edward Winski, of the Midtown precinct where the shooting occurred, said there have been more than 400 arrests involving illegal and licensed peddlers this year and illegal activity has been increasing.

Citywide, there are 853 licensed street vendors, but veterans are qualified to have licenses beyond the cap, so the actual number is more than 2,500. Vendors of their own material — music, art or anything else that is protected speech — are not required to have licenses so there is no official tally. They are required to have tax stamps, which aren’t tracked by the city.

Police said the Martinez brothers fell into the latter category but had been cited previously for not having their stamps. They were also suspected of running a scam in which they’d ask the name of someone, write it on a CD and then demand payment of $10. But their cousin Nailean Arzu said the slain man had been lawfully selling CDs for years.

“Everybody loved him,” she said. “It’s a great loss to the family.”

Police spokesman Paul Browne said officers pay special attention to scams and panhandling during the holidays. Specialized units are set up in areas, including Times Square and Canal Street, where stolen goods, knockoffs and scams are prevalent.

“We focus on them this time of the year, because they’re preying on tourists during the Christmas holidays,” Browne said.
Others say the peddlers get a bad rap.

“I think they get treated tougher than they actually are,” said Zach McCabe, a comedian who has been passing out fliers for his shows for nearly a year on the strip of Broadway where the CD peddlers often stop tourists.

He said he didn’t think the vendors harass people.

The hotel where the shooting took place is located in the Broadway theater district in the heart of Times Square. The Marquis Theatre, where “White Christmas” is playing, is in the hotel. Bullets from the gunfight shattered the window of the Broadway Baby gift shop and a side window of the box office on the street.

The police commissioner said the shooting preliminarily appeared to be within department guidelines, which allow for deadly force when an officer’s life is threatened.

Hours after the shooting, the area had returned to the normal holiday bustle, even as police officers surrounded the hotel.

Donna Anderson, of Murray, Utah, was staying at the Marquis. She was intrigued by what happened — not scared.
“I wanted to get a picture of the crime scene,” she said.

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12/10/09 2:28
NEW YORK — A panhandler opened fire on police in busy Times Square on Thursday afternoon and was shot and killed by an officer near the famed Marriott Marquis hotel, police said.

No one else was injured. The 25-year-old suspect was recognized by a plainclothes sergeant on a task force that monitors aggressive panhandling, and took off running through to the hotel’s passenger drop-off area, chief NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said.

At some point, the man turned and opened fire on the officer, continued running, then turned and fired again, Browne said. The plainclothes officer returned fire, killing the suspect, Browne said.

Dave Kinmahan, a tourist from Boston, was parking his car in a spot below street level at the hotel when he saw one man shooting another.

“I was 20 yards away,” Kinmahan said. He said he thought, “is this real or this a movie?”

The hotel is located in the Broadway theater district and near the heart of Times Square. The area includes the Minskoff Theatre, home to the popular show “The Lion King,” and bullets hit the theater ticket box near the Marquis, cracking the window.

It’s not clear how many shots were fired. Browne described the suspect’s gun, which was recovered, as a pistol with a long clip.

Dozens of police officers surrounded the popular hotel, taping off the valet parking area as tourists and holiday shoppers stopped to watch the commotion.

Kathleen Duffy, a spokeswoman for New York City Marriott Hotels, said the shooting took place in a taxi pickup and drop-off area. Duffy said the shooting didn’t involve any guests or hotel employees.

Duncan Stewart, a Broadway casting director for National Artists Management Co., has a 12th-floor office that overlooks Times Square. He said he was on the phone when he heard three loud pops.

“With the echo, I didn’t quite know what it was, but within five minutes, there were cars, police sirens, cops running,” he said. “It was chaotic.”

Stewart has worked in Times Square for the past three years. He’s gotten used to seeing the weird and wacky, but almost never anything violent.

“It’s bizarre. It’s one thing to see the Naked Cowboy day after day in Times Square, but a shooting is something different altogether,” he said.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Stan_Vinyl/ Stan_Vinyl

    Laker dude… now that BlackPlanet has given faces to the names of innocent victims in the pictures above, comment on how we keep making this stuff up and are whining for no reason.

    Please, do share.

    By the way NewsOne you forgot about the young black man (Oscar Grant III) that was handcuffed & on his stomache when he was shot by Bay Area police.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    I can’t speak for all these cases, but NYPD has never indicted a police officer on murder charges after killing UNARMED black men. Undercover black cops aren’t even safe in NY because a few of them have been killed with no serious charges brought up. Lakerdude talks nonsense in the face of cold hard facts…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/lakerdude19/ lakerdude19

    Hmm I don’t recall defending the actions of crooked police officers… Nice try, but you can’t put words in my mouth.

    And yes, you are whining.

    Do you believe the cops in this story were right in shooting the black man? Or is this another conspiracy?

    And _A_, I defended four innocent cops who were executed by a cowardly rapist, because some people on here actually considered him their hero and tried to justify what he did. How is this nonsense? And what do you think were the “cold hard facts” in the Washington murders?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Stan_Vinyl/ Stan_Vinyl

    I dont even know dudes color… doesn’t matter any way, we’ll never know the truth because New York is racist then a muh-phucca. and I dont whine, I speak out!

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    i think those cops in washington, knew this comes with the territory so i dont feel sorry for them or their families.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST/ CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST

    Stan_Vinyl and _A_ I agree with ya’ll and what I can’t understand nor get
    1)Why was he shot in the chest and shoulder if he was run’ing from the cops?
    2)Did he have a history of violent acts of shooting at the cops?
    3)Was he ever charged with shooting or shooting at anyone?
    4)If he was going to shot the cops or had in mind to shot anyone why run away and then shot?
    5)Why is it they always have to have a gun and run into an area where noone else can see what happen but the cops?
    6)If he was close enough to ask them question and he knew UPFRONT that they had been watching them-WHY NOT PUT HANDCUFFS ON HIM FIRST and then ask question?
    7)Why is it the COPS always has a story to tell about the person they killed-which seem to be maded up as they go?
    8)This is or is it not the same story that the COPS told on the last case-just worded different?
    9)Don’t cops carry more than 1 gun on then and used those guns to put on the victim so it look like they had a gun?
    10)ONCE AGAIN-IF the COPS has been UNDERCOVER and knew who this man was and he REALLY had guns TRADES going on in the streets WHY would he CELL HIS MUSIC or ANY MUSIC? Why didn’t they fine guns on his brother or more guns on him and that bullsh!t card they claim to have got is from the gun smoke on they lame a$$ reason why they killed him. That card was wrote by the cops like the fake a$$ shooting they trying to put on him. I did notice that the guy who stated he was in the parking lot didn’t say if the guy that got killed was shooting nor shoot the cop or at the cop…it lead me to believe in fact the cop was the only one shooting.(JMO)

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MR_NANASTROKER/ MR_NANASTROKER

    CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST
    12-11-2009 1:35 pm

    Thank U 4 A well observed perspective
    Yes NYC and Chicago and LA…fuk it all major cities do have an agenda against you ESPESCIALLY the NEGUS in America!!

    they are at WAR WITH YOU!!! WHEN WILL YOU LEARN 2 ADJUST AND DEFEND YOURSELVES AND WE MUST UNITE 2 CHARGE THESE MURDERERS 4 THEIR GENOCIDAL CRIMES THEY HAVE CONVICTED UPON US SINCE THE INCEPTION OF CHRISTIANITY

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/slowhand64/ slowhand64

    1) Why was he shot in the chest and shoulder if he was run’ing from the cops?

    He TURNED to shoot twice at the cop. You did read the article, right?

    2) Did he have a history of violent acts of shooting at the cops?

    If he didn’t he does now.

    3) Was he ever charged with shooting or shooting at anyone?

    Do you have to have a history of committing a certain crime before you actually commit that crime? Is there some sort of thug promotion system or thug apprenticeship program I’m not aware of?

    4) If he was going to shot the cops or had in mind to shot anyone why run away and then shot?

    Do you really expect logical, rational, well thought out behavior from a criminal on the run? Like, in retrospect he should have just shot at the cop from jump?

    5)Why is it they always have to have a gun and run into an area where no one else can see what happen but the cops?

    Funny how thugs always do that, huh? How they tend to run into dark, unpopulated places, almost as if they were trying to escape from someone or something…!

    6) If he was close enough to ask them question and he knew UPFRONT that they had been watching them-WHY NOT PUT HANDCUFFS ON HIM FIRST and then ask question?

    Really? You want cops to just straight handcuff people from jump THEN proceed with their investigation? I can’t see a lot of civil rights and constitutional attorneys getting behind that, but okay…

    7)Why is it the COPS always has a story to tell about the person they killed-which seem to be maded up as they go?

    True. Cops seem to be better at public relations and holding press conferences than ignant thugs. Funny how that is.

    8) ????

    9)Don’t cops carry more than 1 gun on then and used those guns to put on the victim so it look like they had a gun?

    Okay, what tv show did you get this “knowledge” from? It was “The Shield” right?

    10) again…?????

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/NtelligentlyInclined/ NtelligentlyInclined

    *Exhales* Thank you slowhand….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/slowhand64/ slowhand64

    For those of you who believe the gun was “fictitious” or “planted by the cops”…
    From USA TODAY…

    NYPD TRACKS GUN IN DEADLY TIMES SQUARE SHOOT OUT

    NEW YORK (AP) — The mayor railed against gun violence on Friday, one day after a street peddler died in a shootout with police outside a hotel in bustling Times Square.

    A machine pistol used by a street hustler and aspiring rapper shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased from a Virginia gun shop by a woman who reported it stolen 10 days after she bought it, authorities said.

    Raymond Martinez, who wrote songs about staring down cops in Times Square and hawked CDs to tourists, was carrying a stolen Mac-10 pistol and a pocketful of business cards from Virginia gun dealers — including the one where the gun was purchased — when he was killed by a plainclothes officer near the Marriott Marquis hotel, police said. The handgun, which held 30 rounds, jammed after Martinez got off three shots.

    Jordan Kelsey-Stewart, 25, bought the weapon Oct. 18 from Dale’s Guns in Powhatan, Va., chief NYPD police spokesman Paul Browne said Friday. Officials with Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are trying to find her and are investigating whether she had any connection to Martinez; a telephone listing for her could not immediately be found on Friday.

    Police said Kelsey-Stewart reported the gun stolen from her car Oct. 28 in Richmond, Va. It was unclear how Martinez obtained it, and there was some evidence he owned it for only a brief period of time — weeks at most and perhaps just days.

    Investigators also were trying to determine whether Martinez had other weapons. They said they found a .22-caliber handgun during a police search of Martinez’s home on Friday.

    “We’re actively investigating whether he was involved in purchasing firearms,” Browne said.

    Dale Blankenship, who owns Dale’s Guns, said he provided the information about who bought the gun to the ATF earlier Friday. He said Kelsey-Stewart was from the Richmond area, had all the proper identification and passed a background check when she purchased the weapon.

    Blankenship said she bought the gun by herself. He didn’t know what happened to the gun after he sold it.

    “I have no idea,” he told The Associated Press. “I don’t know how the gun was stolen.”

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/blkman6ft6_inla/ blkman6ft6_inla

    black people are always screaming about how the police are you no it as well as i do if i was a cop dealing with young blackmen i would shoot first then ask later blacks kill up each other like crazy and dont have respect for life so lets get off the racist stuff already you have a black president and your still useing the race card.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MR_NANASTROKER/ MR_NANASTROKER

    9)Don’t cops carry more than 1 gun on then and used those guns to put on the victim so it look like they had a gun?
    Okay, what tv show did you get this “knowledge” from? It was “The Shield” right?

    This is a proven fact and what kinda life do you live?
    I had the poe-lice BREAK AND ENTER MY PLACE OF RESIDENT…STEAL MY WEAPONS AND ATTEMPT 2 FRIGHTEN ME WITH U.U.W.(Unlawful Use of Weapon)NOW BEIONG THAT ALL THIS WAS DONE ILLEGALLY THEY LET ME GO AND NEVER INTENDED ON REPORTING THE WEAPONS STOLEN FROM ME…so what were they going 2 do with them?

    Well they never got the chance 2 do anything with them becasue I reported they ass and my weapons and these dirttyy muthafukers harrassed me everyday in front of my place…until I confronted them and let them kno what kinda MAN they was dealing with

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/lakerdude19/ lakerdude19

    It’s funny how stan vinyl and _A_ have nothing to say after slowhand’s hilarious and dead on responses to carolinagurls 3rd grade thought-provokers.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST/ CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST

    @ slowhead64-Im not from NY and im going on facts and the death cases dealing with the cops there. Im NOT saying that some of these guys that cops shot or kill didn’t ask for it NOR am I saying its OK for any crimes to go on without being address. However I am saying that-DO A COPS SHOOTING ALWAYS HAVE TO END UP WITH THE PERSON BEING KILLED OR MORE THAN 13 SHOTS OFF INTO SOMEONE FOR THEM TO FEEL AS IF THEIR LIFE IS NOT AT RISK ANYMORE? TRUST AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY COPS CARRY MORE THAN THE GUN YOU SEE ON THEM and THE UNDECOVER COPS CARRY THEM MORE THAN THE OTHER 1′s DO. You got to look at all the facts and it show question in rather to believe the cops there and how they handle the hold case/crime. In my town a cop can put handcuff on you-until there search is done and to check you for guns and that just to be on the safe side of things. And I would rather the cops put handcuffs on the person rather than read they put 50 rounds in a man who had NOTHING to do-with WHAT the cops was SHOOTING for. You got to wonder or ask question about cases that-just don’t add up sometime. As for you lakerboy19 go back into your slow class and pray you can come to terms of rather or not you want to be white or black-before you even came at me. Do your homework and get the facts on what NYPD do to those who have not DONE anything wrong and then have a LIE to tell in behind WHY they SHOT a BLACK MAN TO DEATH. 50 rounds into 1 man-how many times do 1 person have to be shot before a COP feel safe? And NO NOT all COPS are BAD and I still say THAT IF A GOOD COP STAND BY AND WATCH A DIRTY COP DO WRONG AND DON’T ADDRESS HIS WRONG DOING TO ME HE IS JUST AS BAD AS THE DIRTY COP.(JMO)

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST/ CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST

    @ MR_NANASTROKER-I got this INFO from FACTS in CASES DEALING WITH COPS KILLING PEOPLE WHO HADN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG. In my town WE don’t STAND by and let things go like this nor our rights be took away and we address the facts right then and there.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/cwm299/ cwm299

    Darwin Award material there. Sounds like he was trying to get some “street cred” for standing up to the police, maybe an interesting scar and some time behind bars.

    Just gave Bloomberg and the rest of white power nuts more reason to bring back ’20′s style KKK gun control. They are just protecting you from yourselves, those shackles are just for your protection

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/fly_guy_stl/ fly_guy_stl

    It’s a good thing that they went ahead and took this guy out.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/pimpsumtin/ pimpsumtin

    Well here;s a point, which crime was committed first, no TAX license which is a crime in its self to have to own.or that he pulled a gun on a cop hell bent on him and the need for a license. the kid was not pushing dope and hell yeah he was wrong for pulling on a cop.the crack era is over. the need to pursue young black men by cops Definitely in new york needs to be questioned.a TAX license,
    if ya don;t know new yorkers and guns are No secret. stick ups are a concern amongst most young folks just because a person is carrying does not make them criminals. many new yorkers carry but not to kill cops. its no joke to have to live around folks who will rob you as many times as you let them until you stand up and a pistol is a must for the wolves who cant get jobs and the realities of be disadvantaged. this issue will always seem to go over peoples heads. AMERICA IS DESTROYING ANY AND ALL WHO DON’T ABIDE BY HER TAX LAWS. HE DIED OVER TAXES. He was not being chased for the gun He pulled while running he was pursued by a corporate AGENT.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/trisha_369/ trisha_369

    I agree with ya’ll pimpsumtin,CAROLINAGIRL,_A_,and Stan_Vinyl

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/lakerdude19/ lakerdude19

    Carolinagurl, where are the “facts” you keep on talking about? Show them to me, because all I’m hearing from you are opinions on what you think the cops do behind our backs.

    You want “facts” in this case? Here ya go…
    – Fact: The cops simply approached this man and asked him to present his tax stamp.
    – Fact: The suspect probably would have ended up in handcuffs, had he not run away in the first place, so where were you going with that brillian solution?
    – Fact: The suspect TURNED and fired at the officers with an automatic weapon (obviously you didn’t read all of slowhand’s response).
    – Fact: By law, officers are permitted to use lethal force on any suspect who opens fire on them (or attempts to). The way you’re defending him, I’m guessing the guy in this case was using a water pistol, and the cops just shot at him because they are racists…

    So there are some facts for you, now where are yours?

    Pharmacology, Microbiology, Intermediate Physics, Invertebrate Zoology, and Biochemistry. –> That is my class schedule, do any of those sound “slow” to you? Lol

    Oh and I am perfectly happy being white…

    I tremble at your response, because from your tone and all of those “facts” that you seemingly possess, your emboldened intellect must be lightyears ahead of slowhands, nanas, and mine…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/lakerdude19/ lakerdude19

    *brilliant

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/slowhand64/ slowhand64

    “He died over taxes”…?
    That’s as bad as saying he was “shot for panhandling CDs”…pimpsumtin, you might can get a job writing misleading headlines for NewsOne.

    Dude died in a shoot-out with the cops, plain and simple.

    And that’s probably how he’d want his homies to remember him, as a true G who stood up to “the man” and who died, guns a-blazin’. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want to be remembered as the guy who “died in a tax dispute”…where’s the glory in that? Who writes songs about that?

    pimpsumtin wrote: “if ya don;t know new yorkers and guns are No secret. stick ups are a concern amongst most young folks just because a person is carrying does not make them criminals. many new yorkers carry but not to kill cops. its no joke to have to live around folks who will rob you as many times as you let them until you stand up and a pistol is a must for the wolves who cant get jobs and the realities of be disadvantaged. this issue will always seem to go over peoples heads.”

    Let us say the late Raymond Martinez (thug) was carrying his illegal, stolen firearm, as you say, for self defense against other thugs.Okay but when he whips it out to fire at a cop because he doesn’t feel like going to jail, there goes my sympathy.

    And I wonder if the law-abiding New Yorkers you speak of, who carry weapons for self defense, know what to do with those weapons when the time comes? In the article it states Raymond Martinez fired his weapon a couple times and it jammed. Probably because it was dirty or because he hadn’t loaded the rounds correctly in the magazine. Probably all he learned about operating a pistol was from watching “Boyz in the Hood”

    How many of these people who are “carrying” weapons for their own defense know how to clean them?
    How to lubricate them?
    How to perform a function check?
    How to clear a stoppage?
    Who’s teaching them marksmanship so that they hit what they’re aiming at and not an innocent bystander?

    I’m not an apologist for racist, crooked, corrupt cops. I’m just as pissed as anyone when I read “white cop shoots unarmed black man minding his own business” (and this is pretty much how NewsOne originally conned me into reading this article, with their “rogue cop shoots poor innocent unarmed panhandler who never did nothin’ to nobody” BS.)

    But look, here’s why some us here ain’t buying into the idea that Raymond Martinez and thugs like him are the victims and deserve our tears. It’s because Raymond Martinez and wanna-be thugs and gangstas like him are a greater threat to black communities than your average run of the mill racist, corrupt cop. Wanna-be gangsters, thugs, and hoods kill, maim, and rob more black folks than cracker cops. Young black men who think they 50 Cent cause more physical, social and psychological harm to the black community than all the racist white cops combined.

    I don’t wanna hear that they are “victims” who are being picked on. They chose that life. If the cops bust down your door lookin for you, maybe it’s YOUR lifestyle that needs to be examined, not theirs. If you spent an inordinate amount of your day confronting cops over some BS, maybe you ought to examine why this keeps happening to you and not other people. Cause I’m just as black as you, if not blacker, and that kinda s**t never happens to me.

    And yeah, Raymond Martinez, despite being a failed thug was also a human being and no, he didn’t deserve to die…I’m sure he had a mom and dad who loved him. But same could be said for the cop he tried to kill. Same could be said for the other people on the street that day who could have been injured or killed by one of the stray bullets from the gun he had no idea how to operate. I’m supposed to care about him, but he didn’t care about anyone but himself?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST/ CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST

    @ lakerboy19 DID ANY OF THE CASES AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS TOPIC SINK IN YOUR PEA SIZE BRAIN? DO you REALLY go BY EVERYTHING the COPS tell you or GIVE there SIDE on WHAT really HAPPEN? You always throw your little smart a$$ remarks as if I AM suppose to believe what you say and the FACTS are right there in your EYES if you MOVE away that BIG A$$ IGNORANT EGO you can SEE it. And I didn’t SAY all COPS are bad either. HOWEVER I did say that-EVERYTIME its a SHOOT-OUT dealing with the COPS-ITS ALWAYS a GUN,THAT THE BLACK MAN HAVE AND HE IS ALWAYS RUNing AWAY AND IN A DARK AREA WHERE ONLY COPS HAVE THE STORY TO TELL IN THE END? And that don’t make you QUESTION anything? What about the BLACK cop WHO was SHOOT and KILLED by another COP that so HAPPEN to be WHITE and NOTHING was DONE about it? You always seem to TAKE pleasure in HOW GOOD a COP do when HE KILL a BLACK man. IT DON’T TAKE MORE THAN 3 rounds to BRING ANYONE 1 DOWN and IT DAMNSURE don’t TAKE 50 rounds to kill nor BRING anyone down. COPS are TRAINED to KNOW how to TAKE A person out IF needed and they also know how to SHOOT and hit a person WITHOUT KILLING them. SO when they RUN BLACK MEN IN THE DARKNESS OUT OF SIGHT of ANYONE else WHO is to HONESTLY say WHAT REALLY HAPPEN? FACTS are there was a black 16yr old who was RUNing and not FROM the COPS but,RUNing horse playing with his GIRLFRIEND and the COPS was chasing someone else and shoot and killed him? FACTS-a 17yr old black boy when cops was called out and they asked him to stop and put his hands on his head and as he took his hands from inside his COAT his WALLET came out HALF way and the COPS shoot him 13 TIMES. FACTS 21yr old black man SHOOT and KILLED because of a PICK(for his hair) in his packet. All these story maded HEADLINE news-do I need to say more? COPS don’t alway have to shoot first and then ask QUESTION and LIE later. ITS more to the STORY than what SOME cops tell and to me you are NO BETTER than RUSH mixed in with the GRAND DRAGON of the KKK. And you can say WHATEVER you want about me-BECAUSE I don’t care nothing for you LOSER and FACTS speak LOUDER than your LAME A$$ anyday…Do your HOMEWORK. And remember when you FINISH reading my comment-know that IM WIPING YOU OFF MY A$$ and FLUSH FLUSH. (SMILING :) KMLAU)

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/candyg7/ candyg7

    Okay people, just talk among yourselves and freeze lakerdude out. Dont you get it? Every post on any topic of his is MEANT to be offensive and make you come at him verbally. My guess is lakerdude is another one of those people afraid of blacks so he expresses this with barbed wit or trading insults,just provoking s**t from afar. He relishes in saying “Okay, I am white I am on here and I am not leaving so deal with it” when it is really HIM trying to deal with some hurt get over some issues he has with blacks by dishing out crap in his “whites-are-superior-without-blame speeches” but from a comfortable distance. Look, laugh but go on without response to him personally.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/candyg7/ candyg7

    Case in point, I dont see him giving props to the 14 year old boy who invented a new surgical technique or the man who was released and is changing his life around, I dont see him anywhere on those topics. He is here to incite not invite true debate nor learn anything about us.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/stevealex/ stevealex

    Lakerdude19,I understand you are not going away,typical culture vulture parasite white geek,always have to stick you’re big nose into other peoples business,you’re opinion should be with you’re other Honkeys like Rush,Hannity,go fix you’re own screwed up race,the trouble maker of the world,you cyborg,robot looking a*****e.

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