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One of the saddest things about hip hop is that violence still sells.  The rapper Plies is a perfect example.  In case you don’t know about Plies, he is the really short brother who looks like he’s out of a 1920s minstrel show: gold chains on his neck, with a grill across his teeth and tattoos all over his entire body.  He prides himself on being a “goon,” even though Jamie Foxx claims that he’s not quite as bold as he pretends to be.  To make matters worse, I have reason to believe that Plies is actually educated (he spent some time on a college campus), which is a tragedy within itself.  It’s one thing to be ignorant because you don’t know any better; it’s another thing when a smart brother pretends to be stupid.

In 2006, no one knew anything about Plies.  He’d not been out that long and he didn’t have many hits.  But one incident put him on the map.  During a concert in 2006, reports allege that after Plies turned off his microphone, a fight ensued and some people got shot.

Tory Denard Carnegie and Ronnell Lawrence Lavatte, two of Washington’s security guards, pulled out guns and began to use them.  Billy Dee Williams, Michael Lamar Daymon, Edwin Devasco Faircloth, Steve Ruben Jean-Jacques and Dorian Shannel Johnson were all victims of the shooting, being hit in various parts of their bodies.  Along with their attorney, Christopher Chestnut out of Florida, the group is suing Plies, whose real name is Algernod Lanier Washington (That’s quite a name for a “goon,” don’t you think?  Sort of like Robbie Van Winkle and Marshall Mathers).

Plies pleaded no contest to possession of a concealed firearm and didn’t serve any time in prison.  It’s interesting how the big guy always gets out of trouble, while the entourage takes the heat and packs it too.  According to court documents, both of the security guards pleaded no contest to criminal charges and were sent to prison.   Chestnut, the group’s attorney, alleges that Plies is also liable for the activities of his entourage, and that his record label and night club should be liable as well.   Chestnut further argues that Plies should have known that guns were not allowed in the club and that his employees had them.

The point in talking about this case, which is still in court and was filed last year, is to notice how the shooting boosted Plies and his “rep” in the hip hop industry.  According to those familiar with the case, Plies signed a new record deal and gained a great deal of popularity after the shooting.  I find it a bit odd that real life violence can strengthen the fantasized persona that many rappers seem to embrace.  The idea that black male incarceration and murder has been marketed to corporate America should probably concern all of us.

I don’t hate Plies, even when I make fun of him.  In fact, his song, “Plenty Money,” is one of the nicer songs I’ve heard all year.  But in this song, Plies sticks to his job of playing on all of the negative stereotypes of black men, consisting of murder, prison and financial irresponsibility.  I am hopeful that perhaps one day, Plies and other artists who’ve gone to school and become intelligent human beings can stop being afraid of being smart.  By being ignorant and violent in your behavior, you’re not representing what black men are all about.

boyce_watkins-head-78Dr. Boyce Watkins is a Finance Professor at Syracuse University and founder of the Your Black World Coalition.  For more information, please visit www.BoyceWatkins.com.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/typeflow/ typeflow

    Seems pretty smart to play ignorant and make millions.

    “I dumb down for my audience, and double my dollars
    They criticize me for it, yet they all yell Holla”

    - Jay-Z

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/marcuslove79/ marcuslove79

    IF it dont make dollars it dont make sense. Black men actin stupid in the industry gets them paid and with plenty of women. Unless your intelligence leads u to money nobody, even the man writing this articles gives a f**k about them or me. Plenty of educated broke people. Plenty of uneducated broke people to. The money is the equalizer.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Stan_Vinyl/ Stan_Vinyl

    HipHop is not the only source of violence being promoted and Hiphop doesn’t have half the influence hollywood does.

    Stop blaming and start finding solutions… this shyt is getting old.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Lifeiswutumakit/ Lifeiswutumakit

    I’m no Plies fan, but we all know negativity spreads faster. Music, movies, news, and everything else. I don’t like it, but it is what it is.

    I will say this though, I find it funny how the same people who will go and watch movies filled with sex and violence, and then turn around and say it’s bad for rap to showcase that. If you don’t support sex and violence in rap, you d*mn sure shouldn’t be supporting it in movies. It’s a lot easier to see something, than visualize what you hear.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/buickjazz/ buickjazz

    Hey, it worked for Stepin Fetchit. He was an educated man who played the role of buffon/minstrel/clown in films from the 20s-70s and became the first black millionaire. These rappers have been doing the same thing since Public Enemy hired Flava Flav right up to Lil Jon and laughing all the way to the bank. You’d think they’d at least take some of that money and invest in something legal and long-term or go to business school for when the well goes dry.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/SoularFlarez/ SoularFlarez

    before you know it rappers gonna start doing sum ‘Madea’ s**t….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/shoot4damoon/ shoot4damoon

    Lets set the record straight. Going to college don’t mean your not a thug. It just means your smarter than some of your peers. Russian mafia members have PH.Ds . Also, how much of a bafoon do you have to be to go up against 30 people. What is funny is “being hard” is a matter of what you get away with. Here is two examples,1 I step to 30 people and get my ass kicked and am now a paraplegic, you would call me stupid or a psycho. On the other hand, I step to 30 people and they say, ” hey man we respect you got heart we not gonna do nothing to you”. Now you look at me as a soilder? See how that works?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/shoot4damoon/ shoot4damoon

    Being a legend is relative to how the cards turn out.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/hersey1/ hersey1

    i’m not mad @ the man hell hip hop is entertainment the art of storytelling they are simply actors with words… its not the artist job for parents to teach there children that the stuff they rap about’s not real… do you have to explain that denzel’s not an american gangsta or al pacino didnt sell tons of coke in miami…no. everybody wants to get mad @ these men for making money selling an image and they are simply business men nothing more nothing less hell if they out here pretending to be gangsters on wax then i know i dont have to worry about them actually killing me… teach ya kids dont let the radio and tv teach them….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/buickjazz/ buickjazz

    Yeah but we already know that Denzel and Pacino are acting before you see them on the screen. It’s their job. But these rapping fools don’t want you to know they’re acting. At least not until someone takes one of their boasts, disses or insults seriously and wants to challenge them or go to war. Then their tough guy facade falls apart with the quickness. Think about all those rappers out here talking smack about what they’ll do to somebody, then think about all the rappers who’ve gone to jail or died because they’re out here trying to play wanna-be gangster with real street thugs so they can fool us into believing they’re really hard. The problem is too many real thugs got into the game and got respect and became the gold standard of hip hop so now everybody wants a bad rep like an arrest conviction for assault or firearms to prove they belong.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MzBadAzzitGets/ MzBadAzzitGets

    JUST BECAUSE U WENT TO COLLEGE AND ALL THAT DOESN’T MEAN U DIDN’T OR IS NOT THUGGIN IT..HELL MY COUSIN WENT TO COLLEGE TOO AND WAS SLANGIN BANGIN AND ALL THE ABOVE CUZ HE BEEN DOING IT SINCE HE WAS LITTLE ITS JUST THAT HE GOT SMART AND REALIZED ITS NOT GOING TO PAY THE BILLS FOR LONG…AND JUST BECAUSE SOME ONE START OFF GOODIE DON’T MEAN THEY CAN’T TURN TO BEING HOOD…S**T LIKE RIGHT NOW I KNOW A DUDE WHO WOULDN’T COME NEAR S**T LIKE THAT BUT NOW HE SLANGING AND BUSTIN HIS GUNS BECAUSE HE GOT LAID OFF (DUE TO THE RECESSION) AND WENT BACK TO WHAT HIS FAM AND BOYZ KNOW BEST BEING IN THE STREETS… NOW SOME RAPPERS ARE FAKE LIKE LIL WAYNE..WHO ADMITTED ON YOUTUBE LOOK THAT UP HE DON’T NO NOTHING ABOUT BLOOD OR CRIPS…NOW THATS FAKE…BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT PLIES IS ABOUT MAYBE IN COLLEGE HE WAS DOIN HIS THANG WHILE TRYNA GET THAT EDUCATION…THESE ARTICLES SOMETIMES MAKE ME SCRATCH MY HEAD..LIKE CRAZY.. DUECES****

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/momono3/ momono3

    I’ll be glad when black Americans realize that the ‘big bad black n!gger on the plantation’ mentality, was taught to us by the slave master and that we are free now. We didn’t come over here thinking like that, but were taught that ‘ghetto mentality’ so they would feel justified in putting as many of us in jail as possible. Killing as many of us as possible, and denying basic human rights to as many of us as possible. There is nothing wrong with being educated. Nothing wrong with being employed and nothing wrong with being a non-street, slick black man or woman. We need to realize that, stop trying to hold one another back and stop glorifying the violence and self-hatred that is hurting us.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/trisha_369/ trisha_369

    Its FUNNY how some people look DOWN on plies and say or think inorder for him to be hard or carry the title im a HOOD n!gga…he got to be in a GANG,DUMB,SHOT somebody,FIGHT 30+ N!GGAS or with a CRIMINAL record from state to state. That SH!T is crazy! Yet you got JAY-Z rapping DISSING GOD and rapping out the side of his NECK and some people think its hot and that its ok…Thats STRAIGHT BULLSH!T. And you threw STONES at PLIES-is CRAZY like JAY-Z lyrics. (JUST MY OPINION)

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Grown_Man_Bidness/ Grown_Man_Bidness

    First and Foremost, the images that are portrayed by these dudes are only WHAT IS ALLOWED TO BE PROJECTED. None of these dudes own labels or distibution companies( notice i said LABEL not small time ent. companies) so they are offering LABELS a PRODUCT FROM WHICH THEY CAN PROFIT! Yall gotta remember BACK IN THE DAY being a G wasnt what sold records and therefore was not what labels pushed! Having a good time and partying was what people wanted to get into and… so came HIP HOP. In laments terms ” IF YALL STOP BUYING THIS S**T THE LABELS WILL STOP PUTTING THIS S**T OUT AND THE niggas LIKE PLIES THAT RAP BOUT THIS KINDA S**T (wether they’re p***y in real life or not!) WONT GET SIGNED NOMORE. IF YALL AINT WANT THEY WOULDNT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT!….period

    B E Z

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Sub-Negro/ Sub-Negro

    @Stan_Vinyl & Lifeiswutumakit thing is these movies while violent they aren’t based off or reality unless they are a true stories. 90% of these rappers claim to be banging and they aint banging they studio gangstas.

    @trisha_369 this nigga Plies be rappin bout one thing then doin another. I mean you can’t claim to be some hard ass hood nigga and u sittin in the bathroom being scared as hell. N!ggaz gonna test u. TI a real ass n!gga even Ludacris who doesn’t rap about gang s**t say he aint hard but he down for his team and n!gga’s repect that.

    @Grown_Man_Bidness U make a good point does anybody remember when Master and Lil Romeo make that Black History song youtube Miller Boyz ( Master P & Romeo ) – Let The Kids Grow and Black History – Master P & Romeo (Official Video) These are good uplifting songs yet did they even air on BET at all.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST/ CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST

    I read all of the comments and I wanted to ask Sub-Negro would you FIGHT 30+ n!ggas to prove a POINT? For what reason to show HOW fast you can DIE from being DUMB. Plies “made” a smart move and he knew not to PLAY that hard role and in LA and we all HEARD how MOST of them N!GGAS roll. To me all of them are fake and they rap of sh!t they saw on the streets coming up or what someone told them…ANYBODY who come in a GROUP of PEOPLE to FIGHT 1 or even 2 n!ggas and they got GUNS and still come in a GROUP is a COWARD,to me. Who is to say Plies CAN’T fight a N!GGA or WOULDN’T fight 1 on 1 NOBODY can say that-THEY can ONLY say HE hid in the bathroom from a GROUP of n!ggas. Thats not saying he is scared to me-its say he is smart and know when he is out numbered and on top of that in another town/state.(JMO)

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/trisha_369/ trisha_369

    Sub-Negro-thats my point he is NOT the only one who rap about being hard…he was the first to be called out in the media eye. Im like CAROLINAGIRLSRDABEST would you fight 30+ N!GGAS with guns in a state your NOT from NOR really HAVE anybody there thats GOT your back? Its not saying your scared-not to me. AND why couldn’t Jamie Foxx put this out better than what he did…Jamie didn’t SAY he wouldn’t fight nobody 1 on 1 he SAID,30+ n!ggas. Thats a big differents and a HOOD n!ggas can be alot of people without the CRIMINAL life. Alot of RAPPERS rap about alot of SH!T they don’t do its called entertainment. So why call Plies out? Remember that ole saying-that scared n!gga lived to tell how that brave n!gga got killed. Its a time and place for everything. (just my opinion and respond back to you.)

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/poloking69/ poloking69

    MAN YALL NIGGAS STOP TALKIN THAT DUMB S**T ABOUT THAT NIGGA PLIES…IM PRETTY SURE HE GOT ALOT MORE MONEY THAN YALL NIGGAZ HATIN ON HIM..IM NO FAN OF PLIES BUT HE SEEMS LIKE HE GOT A GOOD HEART FOR THE MOST PART..THE NIGGA ALWAYS GIVIN AWAY SOMETHIN 2 HIS FANS!!!HE GIVES MONEY AWAY LIKE HES A MILLIONAIRE(IF HES NOT 1),WHICH IZ MORE THAN WHAT U CAN SAY ABOUT ALOT OF OTHER RAPPERS!!(SECONDLY)..JAMIE FOXX LIL B***H ASS WOULDNT HAVE FOUGHT NO 30+ NIGGAZ EITHER..F**K OUTTA HERE!!NIGGA AINT TALKIN ABOUT THAT S**T WHEN L.L SOCKED HIS ASS IN THE JAW AND HE DIDNT DO S**T!!!HAHAHA…(3RD)PLIES WAS IN L.A…..1 NIGGA AGAINST 30+!!!AND IN A WILD CITY WHICH IZ FULL OF GANGBANGERS!!!LETS DO THE MATH PEOPLE…NONE OF YALL SO CALLED “TOUGH”MOTHERF**KERS WOULD FIGHT 1AGAINST30+!!!!GET MOTHERF**KIN REAL!!!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Charvisowens09/ Charvisowens09

    Why attack this dude? He aint asking to represent young black males , s**t he rapping tring to get paid. If thats what you look for DR. Boyce Watkins go holla at Mos Def or Common someone on that level. Quit judging young black males on how they make their living

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/jaybluenchiphop/ jaybluenchiphop

    I say you have one life to live do what you feel. Get money go to church stay out the eye of the media because they are the one2s that got biggie and pac killed. Hell the media the biggest gangster and killer out there you feel me hell but they cant talk about themsleves.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Zenapproach/ Zenapproach

    I think the s**t is GENIUS. To be educated and pretend not to be and fool a bunch of idiots into giving you their money (because they think you’re stupid) is genius. I would definitely do it if I could. But, my intellect usually shines through in one way or another.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/swishernosweet/ swishernosweet

    every part of media makes money off violence if its wasn`t for the negative they wouldn`t have a job . lokk at the desparity between the positive and negative subject listed.so you damn sure can`t get mad at plies but nobody gets mad at an actor that makes his first big hit off a action flick (wich action is a label for violence in movies lol) if you know anything abou the streets it takes and educated and smart mind to beat the system that we live in .if you have millions of dollars and ur a young black man it wouldn`t by accident. really think about it . your idea of smart has been twisted by white society and its labels. smart dont mean p.h.d patna.

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    Thumbs up to my baby daddy! Keep doin what you doin boo!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/anonymous166/ anonymous166

    Plies is a terrible rapper, absolutely terrible.

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