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When U.S. News and World Report came out with their ranking of the top 20 HBCUs in the country, I became curious.  I was wondering if my personal perception of the best schools matched the views of those who make these lists.  I couldn’t afford to attend an HBCU out of high school (not to mention that my grades were terrible), and although I’d love to teach at an HBCU, it’s become difficult for African American professors to get jobs at campuses that have been taken over by people who aren’t black (thats another interesting story).  In fact, many HBCUs don’t have any African American Professors in their business schools or Science departments – and it’s not because black scholars aren’t applying.

At any rate, the school at the top of the list was Spelman College, the university I love and hate, all at the same time.  The funny thing about my love/hate relationship with Spelman is that my disdain is actually driven by my extreme admiration for the university.  In fact, it may even be rooted in jealousy.  I had a relative I wanted to send to Spelman, but the massive tuition bill was so high that she couldn’t attend.  To make matters worse, the school doesn’t seem to care much about giving scholarships, but demand for admission is so high, they don’t have to give away anything.

I’ve always stated to others that Spelman College is not just the best school in the country for black women, it’s the best school in the country, PERIOD.  Unlike Harvard, Yale and all the other schools with multi-billion dollar endowments, I am hard pressed to think of any Spelman grad I know who isn’t a doctor, lawyer, professor, or successful professional in some other field.  Spelman College is nothing less than a factory of greatness, and the women who come out of this institution are typically second-to-none.

One of my daughters starts college next year.  I made it clear to her why I think Spelman is such an amazing institution.  In fact, I told her she should attend the university if she could.  Now, the cost of tuition made us flinch, and anyone who’s read my book, “Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about College,” would know that I don’t believe you have to be $100,000 in debt in order to get a good education.   But if there were ever a possible exception to that rule, it might be Spelman College.

One thing that must be mentioned about Spelman graduates and the institution’s commitment to creating high self esteem in the young women on their campus is that sometimes lessons on self-esteem can backfire into arrogance.  I’ve worked with people who claim that although they admire the students produced by Spelman College, they would almost never hire them.  T’hey claim that the extreme confidence instilled in Spelman grads can sometimes produce young women who aren’t willing to do the gritty work in order to get ahead in corporate America.   Companies might get a CEO/Oprah Winfrey wannabe when they really want someone who is both confident and humble.  While this doesn’t define every Spelman College graduate, it is certainly a word of caution for those who are tempted to empower themselves so much that they end up stepping on top of everyone else.

One incident that gave me tremendous respect for the women at Spelman College occurred in 2004, when the students came together to ban the rapper Nelly from giving a concert on their campus.  They rightfully stood up against a video in which the rapper swiped a credit card through a woman’s behind.  I thought that this movement would produce an even stronger backlash against misogyny in hip hop, but unfortunately, we’ve allowed the last six years to go by without doing a thing.  But at least the women at Spelman gave us a glimmer of hope with their strong and meaningful statement.

Overall, I would say that the good certainly outweighs the bad when it comes to Spelman College.  The school is a source of empowerment and a beacon of hope for the entire black community.  They deserve to be #1 on this list, and they are also #1 in the country as far as I’m concerned.  The university is simply amazing.

Dr. Boyce Watkins is the founder of the Your Black World Coalition and the author of the book, “Black American Money.” To have Dr. Boyce commentary delivered to your email, please click here.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/yholley/ yholley

    I believe – If you and your family did not support an HBCU when you were a student, then an HBCU should not be supporting and your family as an adult.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/supersoftball/ supersoftball

    You failed to mention it is located across the street from a historically black medical school, which is also a plus.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/digg_it_up/ digg_it_up

    a school is a school. you get back what you put in…..businesses just put a lot of effort into hiring people from schools that are qoute on qoute highly acredited. i bet there are students there that flunked there exams…am quite sure not everybody graduate from spelman…you get back what you put in.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Perri_King1914/ Perri_King1914

    ok great article but at last u ruined it with a the Nelly jab. and the concert was free because the man was putting on a bone marrow drive for his sister which needed one. so this boycott messed that up and for what because a grown PAID actress,dancer,model let a nelly put a credit card thru her cheeks. wow. the video was only on at 2am and or the web so whomever saw it was looking to see it. i dont remember if his sister died but if so was it worth her life over a video? you should look into that before slander this guy really.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/winterlion/ winterlion

    These HBCU’s or Negro U’s really don’t need “Black” faces.. they are interchangeable with the the White ones anyway. It’s just that many, not all, of the Black ones can speak some level of Ebonics.

    White Supremacy rules in the U.S. of A. Why would white folks (or their educated Negros) teach us about black efficacy from a black perspective? But by the time we are ready to go to Spelman or any other Negro U, we have the habit, pushed by our parents, of running off to school being taught by those who wish to have white supremacy remain..oblivious of what we really need.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Pirate-X/ Pirate-X

    As a Morehouse grad, I say congrats to Spelman still doing it. To the haters, please chill and check your grammar, it’s obvious from the spelling some of you did not attend a great HBCU like SC, MC, CAU or college at all (and probably barely escaped high school).

    Be nice and we may hire you. Try to hide those tatts on your neck…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/tigershark7210/ tigershark7210

    @Pirate-X.

    As a fellow Morehouse Man I could not agree with you more.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/duane-g/ duane-g

    Yep, a positive article, followed by negative criticism.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Delta_Dream7/ Delta_Dream7

    @ Digg_it_up “A school is a school” is not true. If that was the case, everyone would just go wherever and not be so selective. Where you go to school helps to set up for your future. Nobody says, “I want to go to the worst school out there.” Instead, we pick the best one that can give the type of education we need. Businesses look for the best and the brightest to secure their company for the long run. Who wants to hire a fool? That puts the company at risk and damages the reputation for future partnerships and deals. I am a proud product of two HBCU’s and I’m now pursuing my last degree. Education is extremely important to me and I stress it to my current students. I’m still paying on my student loans (almost done though) and I had to look at the bigger picture…success. I have been very successful and I’m not even done with all that I plan to do to make this world better than when I found it. Education is the key.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/digg_it_up/ digg_it_up

    only people who go to these schools or aspire to go the schools are the bomb and are more intelligent than the everyone else……..the rest of us are retards……pun intended.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/digg_it_up/ digg_it_up

    delta_dream7 are you kiddin me?…you bin on bp all these years and you have not one picture of your so educated self on your page?…..why your page so ancient when you so smart and bin to the best schools?…..you want to uplift humans but you cant uplift anything around you, not even your page. you still single too it looks….could it be your “i am the best from the best school” mentality why you aint attracting any males?…..your education dont make you no better than me. it doesnt bring happiness and it doesnt mean you are smarter than me because your gramar is superior. let me tell you something about language….its a means of communication and as long as am communicating to your ingnant azz and you understands…..it means my job has bin accomplished in the language department….is the date on that logo on your page the date you were born?….1913?…oh dont tell me….its the year your stupid lil sorority was founded that behaves like a cult or clan. yall just black clan members amoungst blacks that makes us feel insuperior at every chance yall get. i guess if none of us whent to yall schools then we aint shyt realy….thanks for the upliftment…i am honored

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MensaOne/ MensaOne

    I’m not a hater, but i am an alumni of Howard University. I don’t think any other HBCU can compare to what they give you when you come out of there. Spelman is a wonderful school though.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/msveevee1/ msveevee1

    For it to be surrounded by the hood and crackheads, it’s nice to know it doesn’t affect the students that are trying to accomplish something in life.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BoweryBetty/ BoweryBetty

    Nice article. And @ Perri_King1914….*sigh*….seriously?? You don’t get it?? Do you even have the slightest concept of what sexism and contempt for women actually mean?? Keeping with the enlightened tone of education and self-betterment in this article, even if you’re a guy, it’s never too late to take a Women’s Studies class and educate yourself on the troubling of degrees of the objectification of women and misogyny in the media — particularly in rap videos. The women of Spelman had every right to take a stand against him performing on their campus.

    It’s true the actress/video vixxen made the choice to be featured in the video, but she wasn’t the one who created/conceived the idea. I can’t help but see the parallels to racial discrimination and the fight our family members and ancestors had to deal with during jim crow and slavery. Just because some Black actors, unfortunately, chose to go along with the degrading “Step-n-Fetch it”, “Buckwheat” or “happy darkie” kinds of roles does NOT put the weight of the responsibility purely on their shoulders. They wanted to be actors…they were desperate to make a living…and many struggled with how to prioritize their dignity and self-respect while others were deep into the psychological spirals of self-hate or abuse. Whites designed those roles knowing full-well what sort of image and message they were trying to send about Black people — and the EXACT same is true of the minds behind the kinds of rap or other kinds of music videos that objectify and/or degrade women.

    He, like all artists using music videos to further their careers, put his mark of approval on the message of that video and his willingness to reap the publicity and potential sales of his music by participating in it — even if the concept of the video wasn’t his own. I’m not sure what he’s up to these days, but he had multi-platinum success and, one would think, control over his image and how he marketed himself. It’s simple — you make music videos because you want people to believe you have a certain “image” or street-cred. If you DON’T want something to be misconstrued about you and your image — take a stand and don’t make videos like the one in question. I could be wrong, but he seemed successful enough to have creative control over his music. And regarding the issue about the bone marrow drive, I highly doubt this put a serious kibosh on the effort simply based on the kind of celebrity he held/may still hold. He may have, easily, centered the focus on a different concert — or paid for it, himself, from the millions he was earning, anyway. It would’ve been a serious blow to an up-and-coming, unestablished artist, but this guy was recording for a major label and selling-out more than a few venues back then.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Angilix/ Angilix

    @BoweryBetty how do you know it wasn’t the actress/video vixen’s conceived idea to have that card slid between her butt?

    It was Montana’s Fisburne idea to do pawn so she could become famous. Women exploit themselve for gain all the time. Some us us based on whatever agenda we’re pushing tend not to be able to see that.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/deepimpact1908/ deepimpact1908

    Great article. On the points concerning the alleged arrogance, I suspect that has to do more with racism: whites encountering confident Spelman women are angry because they don’t think these Black women “know their place.”

    Also, as someone else said, the jab at Nelly really served to undermine the overall positivity of the article. To be fair, the author should have written the ENTIRE situation instead of the part that seemingly made Spelman look good. I was appalled at what occurred in the Nelly situation. The truth is that he approached Spelman about doing a bone marrow drive. He wanted to possibly find a match for his sister who was in dire need of a bone marrow transplant. In addition he wanted to raise awareness for the issue. Spelman has always prided itself on raising awareness for various causes. To put the icing on the cake, Nelly was going to make a sizable donation to the school.

    Unfortunately, the women at Spelman gave him an ultimatum: he had to agree to sit on a panel and discuss “Tip Drill” or not have the bone marrow drive at all.

    Here’s the problem with this:
    1. No one made those women participate in the video. Whether someone else conceived it or not, the women made the CHOICE to be in the video and subject themselves to it. These rappers can’t do such things if we don’t allow it.
    2. This was a situation where it was a matter of LIFE OR DEATH. The greater good was saving a life and raising awareness about bone marrow diseases. Discussing the poor choices made by WOMEN to allow themselves to be degraded in a video should have taken a backseat.
    3. There were horrible things said to both Nelly and his sister during this time, which was one of the reasons Nelly ultimately decided not to do the panel and the bone marrow drive. I won’t go into it here, but suffice it to say that had I been in his position, I would never have wanted anything to do with Spelman ever again.

    And to answer a question that was asked above: Nelly’s sister died the next year.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Product_Of_Greatness/ Product_Of_Greatness

    Thank you, Dr. Watkins. Spelman really is a phenomenal school. Of course, we know that all institutions have their misgivings, and Spelman is no exception.

    I’m not at all surprised by the uninformed, negative commentary that followed this article, because the critics will always exist, and the Nelly situation is our most “notorious” controversy. Most people only claim to know the details.

    With regard to the situation, no, the Spelman ladies did not end misogyny in hip hop, however, we gave fuel to mini-movements and a greater dialogue. During a panel discussion on the issue, during that time, MC Lyte informed us that there are many female rappers, past and present, who were hesitant to (or just won’t) enter the “rap game” because they were appalled by its treatment and portrayal of African-American women. A few years after, BET hosted “Hip Hop vs. America,” which further highlighted the issue. Was this series prompted by the Nelly incident and the “Take Back the Music” movement at large? Perhaps, and I’d like to think so.

    Those of us who attended Spelman (and Morehouse) at that time will never forget that movement and the incredible dialogue which emerged. As we are employed as doctors, lawyers, professors, successful professionals, or whatever else, we’ll take that seed with us, and perhaps one day be the generation that really changes things. I know I will always remember that a great educational institution, Spelman College, created an environment for even greater events to occur.

    I agree with you, Spelman truly deserves that No. 1 spot.

    - Spelman College, Class of ’07

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/deepimpact1908/ deepimpact1908

    Negative commentary is not always uninformed. Speaking for myself, I knew what transpired with Nelly. And the unfortunate thing about it is that it did place Spelman in a bad light. The only people that I spoke with who did not see it negatively were die-hard Spelman alumnae and supporters. I was ashamed and felt terrible when his sister passed. With all the blood drives and other health initiatives done on the campus, I never understood why this initiative had to be turned down. Should Nelly have performed his music on campus? No. But that was quite separate and distinct from the bone marrow issue.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/spelmanlove/ spelmanlove

    Are you kidding me?? Anyone who has ever donated bone marrow knows that it is no walk in the park. Nelly was perfectly willing to take bone marrow from these women but couldn’t sit on a panel to discuss how they were depicted in the media.That fact speaks for itself. If anyone is responsible for the marrow drive not happening, it is Nelly.

    The idea that because these women willingly participated somehow makes it okay for Nelly to slide a credit card between someone’s daughter’s butt cheeks on national television for my own black daughters (and sons for that matter) to see is problematic. Are drug dealers not responsible parties, since their customers willingly purchase drugs?

    The comments that followed this article make it clear to me why HBCUs are still relevant. Clearly many of you need some schooling.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/blac_stallion69/ blac_stallion69

    Spellman is a good school. I am familiar with it as well as Morehouse. Very good schools. They create producers in society, and the Black Community. Its the attitudes there.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BoweryBetty/ BoweryBetty

    I know this is straying a bit away from the article, but I’m trying to answer a reply…To@Angilix — I know because I remember reading an interview several years ago with McDammit, the director of the video, when everything exploded. And as for Montana Fishburne and other women who “exploit themselves for gain all the time” — again, I say consider the parallels between those Black actors who accepted roles portraying themselves as “step-n-fetchit’s” and “funny, happy darkies” in Hollywood. Some were trying to make a living and knew exploiting themselves in those sorts of roles was the sure thing (and more commonly the ONLY lucrative thing available to them). And some had self-hate issues, believing this status quo was all there was and all they were worthy of (the late, great Lena Horne had a lot to say about this and so many issues with Hollywood’s color barriers). They exploited themselves because those were the majority of roles for Blacks in the medium of Hollywood films, but it wasn’t right for white filmmakers to exploit and relegate them to those kinds of stereotypical, degrading roles.

    You do realize that we still live in a time where the value of a woman, in many peoples’ eyes, STILL rests squarely on her body type, hair and bedroom skills? We are living in a troubling time where young girls are growing up with pop culture icons riding stripper poles and popping out sex tapes instead of going to college or making a constructive contributions to society. Yes, at 19, Montana Fishburne is (barely) her own woman, but something is wrong. How would you feel if YOUR daughter giddily reported that seeing Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian and their sex tapes was an inspiration to her?? I have worked in social services and mental health for over 20 years and I’ve counseled girls like her. I’ve also counseled diverse groups of female child and adult sex workers — some were wannabe-video vixxens…most worked the streets, but a number of them were also trying desperately to get out of porn. It’s so easy to flippantly say “Oh, well they’re letting themselves be exploited — and they’re getting PAID, so what’s the big deal??” But, more than you’d realize, there are often deeper, maladaptive, dysfunctional, psychological issues at-hand — issues that actually blind the person from making sound, balanced life choices. For the more “successful” girls and women I worked with, making $2,500 a week didn’t mean anything to them if they couldn’t look in the mirror and feel dignity and self-worth about who they were/are. And for the record, I don’t have an “agenda” as much as I have a perspective as an educated, professional sister of color who was touched by the tone of the article and the deeper message about the higher education of our people. I read the remarks about the controversy and felt compelled to speak up.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BoweryBetty/ BoweryBetty

    **Correction to my last comment** Sorry, I think I listed the wrong name of the video director, but I DO remember hearing and seeing his remarks and opinions years ago. I think his name is Terrero.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/deepimpact1908/ deepimpact1908

    Spelmanlove, I daresay that you are misguided. I know personally many cruel things that were said to both Nelly AND his sister at that time by Spelman women. THAT really is what drove him to finally say no to doing the panel.

    However, to address your drug dealer analogy, the truth is that blame needs to lie where it is due. you can’t deny that Nelly would not be able to slide a credit card in that manner if there is no one there for him to do it too. And if he starts to see that women won’t audition for such videos, he will change. In other words, we have to teach him and other rappers by just not being in the videos in the first place.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/idabeesdaughter/ idabeesdaughter

    deepimpact1908–It’s unfortunate that cruel things were said to and about Nelly and his sister. Likewise, it’s unfortunate that Nelly has said cruel things about black women in his music. He has also contributed to a cruel portrayal of black women in his videos. Given Nelly’s history of beefs with KRS-One and Chingy, I doubt very seriously that “cruel” words drove him to not attend the panel. Cowardice seems more likely.

    I find it interesting that you believe that black women should “teach” respect of women to rappers by not being in the videos. But the lesson of Spelman women holding rappers accountable for the misogynist images of black women that they sell to the world is lost on you. The fact of the matter is Nelly expected these women to support him, his cause and his music, but was unwilling to support them. This was a lost lesson on reciprocal love and respect. Reciprocal love and respect is a necessary tool and truth for the health of the black community. If this is what Spelman is teaching it’s women, I agree that they deserve to be #1.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    digg_it_up, Brotha you are too much….lol

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/jahmekya90/ jahmekya90

    idabeesdaughter, I don’t have any grievance with you as a person, as I don’t know you personally but I am a little frustrated with what you wrote concerning Nelly (the rapper/artist) and his altercation with some students at Spelman. I am not a fan/friend or supporter of Nelly the man or artist, I just felt compelled to respond to your words.

    Firstly, I do not believe that Nelly’s view of black women is singular or limited to one observation, as I am sure yours is not either. If your point is that he did not take the time out to explain his views on (black) women so that some clarification could come to the forefront, then I would understand. I believe, now this is my own interpretation, that Nelly’s portrayal of (black) woman in many of his videos, are of a certain class in their respective communities and as such have a right to be depicted because they too exist and have no problem with how they live their lives.

    Secondly, I believe that Nelly does not believe that all (black) women are of such a class or else he would not have come to Spelman in order to initiate discussion about cancer in the black community and to assist in his sister’s fight against the disease. It’s implied that he believes that there are quite intelligent, assertive and focused (black) women in the community because he went there for a very important humanitarian cause. In addition, he wanted to perform a concert for the fans of his music, but also to garner awareness of a killer disease and the little resources available to people of African descent. It turns out to be a shame that people are unable to put aside there own emotional reactions when the time does not call for that. That was not the right forum for the attack on Nelly’s video’s or subject matter in any of his songs. I agree that he does have a responsibility as a man and a father of a daughter to be mindful of what he says and portrays in his music but that was not the time or place to discuss those issues.

    I feel it was an unfortunate incident because nothing was resolved and a young lady died in the process. I don’t know if much could have been done to save her life, but we will never know and what’s worse, nothing more has been done to promote the donation of bone marrow in the African-American communities.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Angilix/ Angilix

    @BoweryBetty, interesting info on the director but it doesn’t really matter whose idea it was. Someone wanted to be a video vixen and decided to go along with whatever it took to be that.
    I put that person in the same narcissistic boat as Montana, Kim K and Paris: women who want to be famous and could think of no quicker or more creative method than to use their bodies. I am not talking about destitute individuals here, and this is not back in the day when this country was not really the land of opportunity for all. These are young women who typically want for nothing except for one thing. To be in the spotlight. I for one am fed up with people making excuses for them. Arguably their only their only maladaptive, dysfunctional and psychological issue is their need for attention.

    On the Spelman/Nelly issue. This is the first I heard of it, but if Spelman, a historically black college for women, put their agenda above the life of a black woman, then that’s somewhat disturbing and obviously just wrong.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/devilishangelrjp/ devilishangelrjp

    Women are degraded everywhere. Women are degraded on the Price is Right, at Hooters, on toothpaste commercials, in rap videos, on billboards. Nelly is not the only one who does it, and I think just for awhile they could have put their little issues with his music aside to save a FELLOW BLACK FEMALE’s life. What happened to sisterhood? You punish his sister over a video, that he probably didn’t pitch? He probably didn’t come up with the idea for the video either, yet HE is at fault, and not the woman? Just because he put his stamp of approval on it, by being in the video? What kind of logic is that?

    Because if he “sanctioned” it, and if that’s what makes it bad, then clearly the woman is at fault too, because she sanctioned the use of her body in that way. You guys make it seem like this woman had no choice, like she COULDN’T get a job and that she was so helpless and they took advantage of her. NO, she was complicit in the act, she knew what the video was about. She knew what she was being paid to do, and she took the money. Really, Spelman’s behavior was disgusting and very classless and I was a little ashamed for them. They definitely could have handled that better.

    That being said, I’m sure Spelman is a good institution for young black women. I’m not sure I would have gone quite so far in calling it the best in the country after Yale and Harvard, but I understand it’s a really good school. A few of my friends just graduated from there, and they really loved it.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Delta_Dream7/ Delta_Dream7

    @dig_it_up…looks like I dug up some hateful feelings from you. I don’t have to put my face out there, what does that prove? I have students and a school system that finds ways to punish educational staff for being on social sites. I have to be proactive. I’m out doing professional and personal things (mentoring programs partnering with The Michael Baisden Show and other organizations, making speeches to young people, I’m back in school, and then some), what are you doing other than studying me? Get a life. I don’t presently have time to update pages…I have work to do in and outside of the community and the nation. What are you up to? I’m living my dreams and what are you doing other than judging me? I’m engaged to be married and your putdowns are not becoming of a man. I’m planning a wedding and a future with someone I love. Maybe you need some love to help lift you out of whatever it is you are going through. You seem bitter. I never said I was better than you or anyone else, never assume. Your thoughts about yourself are what hold you back and maybe you need to revisit it and fix it. I’ll take some of your comments as fuel to keep doing what I’m doing because when people are not happy with themselves or feel intimidated they have to attack because that’s all they can do. Because you don’t understand the Greek culture or much of anything else that I do or am involved in, I don’t feel the need to explain it to you any further. Ignorance is bliss to those who make it just that. There are people that never went to school that are successful in their own rights. I said that education is the key, I don’t care where you get it. It can be as simple as community college, a trade school, colleges and universities, online classes, whatever. I just wish that everyone would take a personal interest in education, especially their own. That’s my opinion and it’s not the law. I respect the opinions of others as long as they hold some truth and provide some growth. Personal attacks are pointless and resolve nothing. Best of luck to you as I enjoy reading some of your comments on these blogs.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Crystal_Blaze/ Crystal_Blaze

    Well, Nelly has always said it was the WOMAN’S idea to swipe the card. So, there goes, spelman should also take issue with the women in the videos.

    Of course, maybe taking shots at the record company is better than taking shots at artists and models who are a dime a dozen.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BoweryBetty/ BoweryBetty

    @Angilix — You’re really not seeing the bigger picture. It DOES matter whose idea it was because they are the ones who created the concept and put the call out to the women fitting a certain physical criteria to apply for roles in the video. The vixxens aren’t the ones knocking down Bad Boy or Arista’s doors with concept-storyboards in their hands and pitching ideas. It’s a simple formula…The record company and the recording artist are the ones trying to project an image to the fans to inspire them to purchase the releases and make money. The vixxens are not the masterminds…they’re just shiny tinsel on the tree. And contrary to what you’re aware of, MANY of them are, indeed, treading the fine line between being able to feed themselves (or their kids) and being “destitute” on the streets and on the stroll. I know because I’ve worked with a lot of girls and women who had stars in their eyes but came crashing back into reality…some got a hold of themselves and their issues, went back to school for their GED or Associates and went onward to a more healthy, dignified future…and others struggled/continue to struggle because they’re stuck on a dream — and lost in destructive, dysfunctional cycles in their lives.

    I am not “making excuses” for these women in the way that you and so many others who tend to be more critical of the women in these videos than the recording artists imply. I’m calling attention to the fact that we STILL live in a society where women are fighting for equal seating at the table. I’m not sure where you exist in this world, but a lot of us are STILL fighting for our equality and respect. In the minds of many ignorant people (male AND female) women are STILL valued by their skin tone, hair texture, hair length, body type and bedroom skills above their intelligence. And the music industry is like a giant petri dish where the mantra of “sex sells” continues to evolve into a seething plague.

    It may be true that some of these women are narcissistic, and I’ve definitely run into more than a few who had traits of that personality disorder on top of everything else they were dealing with, but it’s inaccurate to label all of them that way. It’s also very wrong to glaze them over to be ignored as “attention-seekers” who only want to hog the “spotlight”. As I mentioned in my last post regarding the “maladaptive, dysfunctional and psychological issues” that are often at-play within many young women who seek to exploit themselves in such music videos or find themselves going deeper into sex work/porn/prostitution, I can’t stress enough that it’s important to understand the depth and severity of the issues that often motivate them to choose such ways to make a living. Telling them to “get over it” and get a “real” job doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of the reality so many of these girls and women are living in.

    There are often PROFOUND REASONS WHY girls or women seek out such attention to make themselves think people like them or will envy their bodies, sexual ability, etc. and for many it comes down to the abuse they’ve gone through in their lives. I’m definitely not trying to speak for ALL sex workers/wannabe-vixxens, but the common denominator I saw with the many, many girls and women I counseled was buried in their issues of childhood sexual abuse. The maladaptive message they got from that abuse was plain and simple: I GET ATTENTION from dad/uncle Charlie/my step-dad when he wants to see my naked body and have sex with me.

    I’m reminded of a perspective that was very much on the “opposing” side of this kind of argument when I think of a young male client I counseled regarding a sex assault issue — I think he was 17yrs old — and he admitted to participating in “running a train” (or a “tip-drill”, by today’s slang) on a female peer (I think he said she was 14 or 15) with a large number of his high school teammates. He had a HELL of time holding on to his belief that this girl wasn’t the victim and DESERVED it because she was looking for attention from them and ALLOWED him and 15 or more of his friends to have all kinds of sex with her one after the other. It took a long time, but he did slowly become aware to understanding the fact that just because a girl or woman seems to opens herself up to such a situation it doesn’t mean that it’s okay to participate in taking advantage of her nor stand-by and watch it happen. And in the end, he revealed his own deeper, maladaptive issues that influenced his behaviors and made the connection that there is often a “blindness” that prevents people from making sound, healthful choices in their lives when they are not dealing with their real issues and impulses. Girls and women don’t just become promiscuous and act-out sexually at-the-drop-of-a-hat for no reason. There are deeper issues in-play and it’s iniquitous to exploit or take advantage them.

    I must say….it’s comments in forums like this that make me wish the general public had a firm grasp on the study of human psychology and what factors (nature AND nurture) influence the kinds of behavior we display to the world. I believe we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this issue because I’ve exhausted myself in trying to explain my perspective. I don’t know what else to say, other than try to expand your awareness. Audit a psychology, sociology or women’s studies class at a local community college or even enroll online. And, if you’re a father to a daughter(s), take the time and always be present and alert in the lives of your beloved girl(s). Give them POSITIVE attention for the good things they do and not just negative attention over their bad behaviors or mistakes. CELEBRATE the natural beauty of your girls but always encourage the beauty of their INTEGRITY, DIGNITY and INTELLIGENCE with the same passion. I don’t think I’ll see it in my lifetime, but I want to have hope that maybe the next few generations might just get it right and help level things out between the sexes. And maybe some of them will be Spelman women.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Angilix/ Angilix

    @BoweryBetty, you’re right I and the rest of the members in this forum are not seeing the bigger picture. Your bigger picture. I guess like you said we don’t have a grasp on human psychology like you do. You seem to believe that the majority of women who get into any form of entertainment that sells sex or sexual images are victims and that their behavior stems for some past history of victimization. I’m sure that’s the case with some women and maybe in your line of work those are the only ones you see. What I think actually happens is that an attractive girl who all through high school have been told how hot she is decides to cash in on her looks, sees a opportunity to make a quick buck and soon realizes that the entertainment industry is not all it appears . That it can chew you up and spit you out. Some of them wise up like you said and do what they should of done in the first place, that is get an education that they should have gotten in high school and a then decent job.

    And no I’m not interested in taking any sort of class to learn about women issues in this society so I can be be turned into some kind of bleeding heartc male feminist. This is the land of opportunity and most women don’t need to be doing porn or anything like that to make living.

    Speaking of nature. It’s human nature to take the easy road, but that’s a path often peppered with potholes and pitfalls, so when it turns around and slides a credit card in your butt don’t expect my sympathy.

    Back to the women of Spelman, maybe they are part of the problem, and have a certain arrogance about them as has been mentioned here.
    You had a situation where educated and supposedly intelligent black women are more interested in making a point and playing the blame game than helping out a dying sister. I now wonder if Spelman is creating a class system of a group of black women who are somewhat out of touch with reality and their sisters in the world outside of that environment.

    @BoweryBetty, you’re just not going convince me that your view of the situation is the correct one. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/deepimpact1908/ deepimpact1908

    @idabeesdaughter: I don’t think that Spelman’s action constitute holding these rappers accountable for their actions. It shows that they were unable to recognize the greater good in the situation. Many of these Spelman women who want to act outraged, are the same ones dancing to this music in clubs and aspiring to be “video girls.” With that, there is a level of hypocrisy.

    But I would like to add that it was not cowardice. As you don’t know what was actually said, you can’t make an accurate judgment call. However, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that what was said was not becoming of TRUE Spelman women. In all situations, even when disagreement occurs, we are taught to be professional and gracious. That did not happen in this situation. And as I said before, at the end of the day, Spelman came out looking pretty bad in this situation. The focus was on Nelly’s sister. Not Nelly’s music.

  • http://www.nondomesticatedthinker.com/2010/08/why-spelman-is-ranked-1-in-the-country/ Why Spelman is Ranked #1 in the Country | Non Domesticated Thinker | Non Domesticated Thinker

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/TrilldaOfficial/ TrilldaOfficial

    What the hell kind of weak-ass rant is this? Hell yeah it’s expensive to go there it’s one of the top women institutions in America. “A Different World” was filmed there, Jasmine Guy STILL works there. I know because we were about to paint them old ass freshmen dorms and just got through pressure washing the security parking lot lol. If you got the money, go, if not? Stop b***hin’ shon…The women there were fine too, but I understand EXACTLY what he’s saying when they say the graduates do leave with their head stuck up their ass lol the only thing I don’t like about Spelman is the got damn WEST-END lmao.

    It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. I can imagine some women leaving, thinking they’re sh*tting gold bricks of knowledge, thinking they don’t gotta get their hands dirty cause they LEARNED at Spelman. But this is what I absolutely LOVE about knowledge. It doesn’t mean sh*t if you don’t know how to use it…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Shan_1989/ Shan_1989

    One of the biggest things I don’t like about Spellman is that they don’t have a business school. I feel like if they did that would honestly make them the best . The only degree they have close to business is Economics.
    One thing I also hate about Spellman is that the girls expect everything to come to them. Like the article said they have the Oprah Winfrey mindset but they don’t realize everything Oprah had to do to get where she is today. She’s lived in the projects with roaches and these Spellman females aren’t willing to hustle and get their hands dirty. Not hating just stating the facts.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/deepimpact1908/ deepimpact1908

    The only people who actually think that Spelman women have a mindset that they don’t have to “get their hands dirty” are people who have never attended Spelman. That is one of the most ridiculous accusations that I have heard thus far about Spelman women.

  • http://blackpridenetwork.com/varnette-honeywood-cosby-show-artist-dies-at-59/ BlackPride » Blog Archive » Varnette Honeywood: Cosby Show Artist Dies at 59

    [...] were nothing short of phenomenal. It is also noteworthy that she attended Spelman College, which I’ve argued to be the top university in the United States, especially for African American women. Honeywood should be commended for creating artwork that [...]

  • http://onyxbook.com/2010/09/varnette-honeywood-cosby-show-artist-dies-at-59/ Varnette Honeywood: Cosby Show Artist Dies at 59

    [...] were nothing short of phenomenal. It is also noteworthy that she attended Spelman College, which I’ve argued to be the top university in the United States, especially for African American women. Honeywood should be commended for creating artwork that [...]

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