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		<title>By: Prop 8: Should Gays and Lesbians Be Allowed to Marry? - ILookFly.com</title>
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		<title>By: Prop 8: Should Gays and Lesbians Be Allowed to Marry?</title>
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		<title>By: BlackPride &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Prop 8: Should Gays and Lesbians Be Allowed to Marry?</title>
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		<title>By: KnotChoAverageJoe</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 13:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T - With 12+ paragraphs I thought you would shed more light on the subject. You did have some good info, but your thread sounded a little hateful and aimed at the wrong people.

“Right wing lies?” I think fear mongering fought and won the last political year. The right wing, and the other list you provided, doesn’t have to deflect anything when it comes to gay stuff. We already know where they stand. Plus, the column said black support is one more reason Prop 8 passed. You forgot the demographics of Cali. If Whites are 38%, and Blacks are 7%, what about the other 55% of the population? If Pres Obama got 8 mil votes and McCain got 5 mil, where is the “right wing” and “white church” you’re blaming, because 38% can’t win a yes or no vote? But yes, the gay folk need to holler at the remaining 62% for support with what they think is civil. Gay is not civil to me.

This whole thing about bigotry of the last eight years is some BS. Your boy already won, so move on. But then again, some of us need someone to blame. Until we ALL get smart, and figure out how things really work, we’ll be running in circles blaming the person in front of us.
 
These elections remind me of a few movie quotes... &quot;Who&#039;s naive Kate?&quot; and “What I didn’t know until today… that it was Barzinni all along.” One day we’ll all get smart and find out that it was us - American People - all along. If a yoke is on your neck, in America, be smart and take it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T &#8211; With 12+ paragraphs I thought you would shed more light on the subject. You did have some good info, but your thread sounded a little hateful and aimed at the wrong people.</p>
<p>“Right wing lies?” I think fear mongering fought and won the last political year. The right wing, and the other list you provided, doesn’t have to deflect anything when it comes to gay stuff. We already know where they stand. Plus, the column said black support is one more reason Prop 8 passed. You forgot the demographics of Cali. If Whites are 38%, and Blacks are 7%, what about the other 55% of the population? If Pres Obama got 8 mil votes and McCain got 5 mil, where is the “right wing” and “white church” you’re blaming, because 38% can’t win a yes or no vote? But yes, the gay folk need to holler at the remaining 62% for support with what they think is civil. Gay is not civil to me.</p>
<p>This whole thing about bigotry of the last eight years is some BS. Your boy already won, so move on. But then again, some of us need someone to blame. Until we ALL get smart, and figure out how things really work, we’ll be running in circles blaming the person in front of us.</p>
<p>These elections remind me of a few movie quotes&#8230; &#8220;Who&#8217;s naive Kate?&#8221; and “What I didn’t know until today… that it was Barzinni all along.” One day we’ll all get smart and find out that it was us &#8211; American People &#8211; all along. If a yoke is on your neck, in America, be smart and take it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Thelea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thelea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bears repeating since some people insist on fighting the phantom menace and not the true opponent.

I am upset about this erroneous finger pointing at African-Americans regarding Proposition 8.  Why are you so quick to believe whatever you hear?  If someone told me 70 percent of gay people voted against Obama my first thought would be, I don&#039;t believe it!   This political year was fraught with right wing lies. These right wing religious extremists are trying to deflect their responsibility for Proposition 8 to Black people and Black churches.Bear that in mind.

&quot;Religious organizations that support Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church], Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family[and the National Organization for Marriage Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California&#039;s largest, has also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) has publicly supported the proposition and encouraged their membership to support it, by asking its members to donate money and volunteer time. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read in every congregation. Latter-day Saints have provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California. About 45% of out-of-state contributions to Protect Marriage.com has come from Utah, over three times more than any other state… 

Still, even though gays were fighting to preserve a basic right, it was the nti-equality side in California that seemed to have the most fervor. A symbolic low point for the gay side came on Oct. 13, when the Sacramento Bee ran a remarkable story about Rick and Pam Patterson, a Mormon couple of modest means - he drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic, she raises their five boys - who had withdrawn $50,000 from their savings account and given it to the pro-8 campaign. &quot;It was a decision we made very prayerfully,&quot; Pam Patterson, 48, told the Bee&#039;s Jennifer Garza. &quot;Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children.”

This is their real enemy. Don&#039;t trust exit polls. I think they are pitting one group against the other. African-Americans are less than 7% of the state population, do the math.  Many more Whites voted and they put this over, not Blacks. What are the total numbers of each group that voted. Someone dug into the data and found that we&#039;re just now learning is that the exit poll was based on less than 2,300 people. If you take into account that blacks in California only make up about 6.2%, we get roughly 224 blacks who were polled. 224 blacks to blame an entire race! The truth is, I have heard that Prop 8 passed because of Republican support. 82% of Republicans admitted to supporting the proposition. They were not the ones who came out to vote for Obama. One blogger states that  if you look at all the data, you&#039;ll see numbers for first time voters. They rejected Prop 8 by a 62-38 margin. These first time voters were overwhelmingly for Obama, 83-17. Without Obama, Prop 8 would have passed by a much larger margin.


Blacks did not  fund a tens of millions of dollars Proposition 8 campaign. Note that they also targeted affirmative action for eradication in another state.

I cannot believe that these larger groups who came out in droves to craft and fund this legislation  get a pass and Blacks are being targeted for the blame game. There is no right wing black conspiracy against gay Americans.  When you tried to align your struggle with that of Blacks you inherited their enemies. These same enemies are now trying to pit one against the other because they fear the combined numbers of both. Even if Blacks stayed home it would have passed because the extreme religious right and republicans would have raised the dead to get them to vote for it. They funded that campaign, not Blacks.

How many gay activists supported the civil rights movement in the 1960’s?  Then how do you automatically expect support in return?  Have you asked Blacks to support you or did you just assume?

Never trust exits polls because in all my years of life, no one has ever been seen at a polling place asking anyone anything when they left.

And the people have spoken. They have as much right not to want this as we did to want President Elect Obama.  Fight this in the court of appeals and not the court of biased opinion by targeting Blacks for hatred and enmity.

The argument that this is analogous to slavery, interracial marriage, and the civil rights movement is insulting. Slavery renders people property without any rights. This is an argument for one right with the others intact. If you are not married no one can whip you, sell your children, or work you to death. Please revisit your history books. And as for it being comparable to interracial marriage battles, again erroneous. Obama is biracial. So are the majority of African Americans, who do now wish to go into the sordid details of how that happened. He is not a rare bird to us. 

That is why we were so up in arms about miscegenation laws.  Forced sexual relationships were condoned and loving ones were not.  It was an affront and we wanted our women protected and respected.

Now let&#039;s all unite and fight this bigotry that the last 8 years has fostered and supported. It has placed a yoke around all our necks, Black and Gay.

Picket at the church headquarters because that is where this all started. And do so with respect and dignity like Gandhi and MLK.  I do not condone hate in any form but please recognize the difference between someone who does not agree with your lifestyle and someone who is actively seeking to deny you. Blacks are not actively working against you, that was the white church establishment with some black church support.  You know who these churches are. 

Attack the weakest links and you gain nothing. Storm the bastions of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bears repeating since some people insist on fighting the phantom menace and not the true opponent.</p>
<p>I am upset about this erroneous finger pointing at African-Americans regarding Proposition 8.  Why are you so quick to believe whatever you hear?  If someone told me 70 percent of gay people voted against Obama my first thought would be, I don&#8217;t believe it!   This political year was fraught with right wing lies. These right wing religious extremists are trying to deflect their responsibility for Proposition 8 to Black people and Black churches.Bear that in mind.</p>
<p>&#8220;Religious organizations that support Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church], Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family[and the National Organization for Marriage Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California&#8217;s largest, has also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) has publicly supported the proposition and encouraged their membership to support it, by asking its members to donate money and volunteer time. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read in every congregation. Latter-day Saints have provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California. About 45% of out-of-state contributions to Protect Marriage.com has come from Utah, over three times more than any other state… </p>
<p>Still, even though gays were fighting to preserve a basic right, it was the nti-equality side in California that seemed to have the most fervor. A symbolic low point for the gay side came on Oct. 13, when the Sacramento Bee ran a remarkable story about Rick and Pam Patterson, a Mormon couple of modest means &#8211; he drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic, she raises their five boys &#8211; who had withdrawn $50,000 from their savings account and given it to the pro-8 campaign. &#8220;It was a decision we made very prayerfully,&#8221; Pam Patterson, 48, told the Bee&#8217;s Jennifer Garza. &#8220;Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children.”</p>
<p>This is their real enemy. Don&#8217;t trust exit polls. I think they are pitting one group against the other. African-Americans are less than 7% of the state population, do the math.  Many more Whites voted and they put this over, not Blacks. What are the total numbers of each group that voted. Someone dug into the data and found that we&#8217;re just now learning is that the exit poll was based on less than 2,300 people. If you take into account that blacks in California only make up about 6.2%, we get roughly 224 blacks who were polled. 224 blacks to blame an entire race! The truth is, I have heard that Prop 8 passed because of Republican support. 82% of Republicans admitted to supporting the proposition. They were not the ones who came out to vote for Obama. One blogger states that  if you look at all the data, you&#8217;ll see numbers for first time voters. They rejected Prop 8 by a 62-38 margin. These first time voters were overwhelmingly for Obama, 83-17. Without Obama, Prop 8 would have passed by a much larger margin.</p>
<p>Blacks did not  fund a tens of millions of dollars Proposition 8 campaign. Note that they also targeted affirmative action for eradication in another state.</p>
<p>I cannot believe that these larger groups who came out in droves to craft and fund this legislation  get a pass and Blacks are being targeted for the blame game. There is no right wing black conspiracy against gay Americans.  When you tried to align your struggle with that of Blacks you inherited their enemies. These same enemies are now trying to pit one against the other because they fear the combined numbers of both. Even if Blacks stayed home it would have passed because the extreme religious right and republicans would have raised the dead to get them to vote for it. They funded that campaign, not Blacks.</p>
<p>How many gay activists supported the civil rights movement in the 1960’s?  Then how do you automatically expect support in return?  Have you asked Blacks to support you or did you just assume?</p>
<p>Never trust exits polls because in all my years of life, no one has ever been seen at a polling place asking anyone anything when they left.</p>
<p>And the people have spoken. They have as much right not to want this as we did to want President Elect Obama.  Fight this in the court of appeals and not the court of biased opinion by targeting Blacks for hatred and enmity.</p>
<p>The argument that this is analogous to slavery, interracial marriage, and the civil rights movement is insulting. Slavery renders people property without any rights. This is an argument for one right with the others intact. If you are not married no one can whip you, sell your children, or work you to death. Please revisit your history books. And as for it being comparable to interracial marriage battles, again erroneous. Obama is biracial. So are the majority of African Americans, who do now wish to go into the sordid details of how that happened. He is not a rare bird to us. </p>
<p>That is why we were so up in arms about miscegenation laws.  Forced sexual relationships were condoned and loving ones were not.  It was an affront and we wanted our women protected and respected.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s all unite and fight this bigotry that the last 8 years has fostered and supported. It has placed a yoke around all our necks, Black and Gay.</p>
<p>Picket at the church headquarters because that is where this all started. And do so with respect and dignity like Gandhi and MLK.  I do not condone hate in any form but please recognize the difference between someone who does not agree with your lifestyle and someone who is actively seeking to deny you. Blacks are not actively working against you, that was the white church establishment with some black church support.  You know who these churches are. </p>
<p>Attack the weakest links and you gain nothing. Storm the bastions of power.</p>
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