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From NY Times:

WASHINGTON — Congress gave final approval on Sunday to legislation that would provide medical coverage to tens of millions of uninsured Americans and remake the nation’s health care system along the lines proposed by President Obama.

By a vote of 219 to 212, the House passed the bill after a day of tumultuous debate that echoed the epic struggle of the last year. The action sent the bill to President Obama, whose crusade for such legislation has been a hallmark of his presidency.

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Democrats hailed the vote as historic, comparable to the establishment of Medicare and Social Security and a long overdue step forward in social justice. “This is the civil rights act of the 21st century,” said Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, the No. 3 Democrat in the House.

After a year of partisan combat and weeks of legislative brinksmanship, House Democrats and the White House clinched their victory only hours before the voting started on Sunday. They agreed to a deal with opponents of abortion rights within their party to reiterate in an executive order that federal money provided by the bill could not be used for abortions, giving the Democrats the final votes. Democrats said that in expanding access to health coverage for uninsured Americans, they were creating a new program every bit as important as Social Security and Medicare, while also putting downward pressure on rising health care costs and reining in federal budget deficits.

Republicans said the plan would saddle the nation with unaffordable levels of debt, leave states with expensive new obligations, weaken Medicare and give the government a huge new role in the health care system.

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[3:03 p.m. - 3/21/2010] – Democrats Say They “Have The Votes Now” For Health Care

From MSNBC:

WASHINGTON – House Democratic leaders predicted that a rare Sunday session will produce one of the most significant legislative triumphs in decades: passage of a landmark health care overhaul that promises to provide coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

The chances for House passage increased Sunday afternoon after a possible agreement between Democratic leaders and Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., who had led a group of anti-abortion lawmakers in opposing the bill, was revealed.

Stupak is now poised to support the bill, NBC’s Chuck Todd reported. Stupak told CNN that there is no deal yet but that he and the White House are “close” to an agreement. “It’s a work in progress,” he said.

House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., also said that Democratic leaders been able to secure Stupak’s support.

The potential deal appears to be based on a promise that President Barack Obama will issue an executive order that would provide more assurances that no public money would be used for elective abortions.

“If we get this thing resolved, then they’ll have more than enough votes,” Stupak said on Sunday morning.

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[8:36 a.m. - 3/21/2010] – House Prepares To Make Historic Health Care Vote

From CNN:

Washington, D.C. — Former President Bill Clinton made several phone calls Saturday to lobby wavering Democrats to sign on to the health care reform bill, Democratic sources told CNN.

Clinton made phone calls to an unspecified number of House Democrats on Saturday as leaders tried to round up the 216 necessary votes to pass the bill.

According to CNN’s latest count, 33 House Democrats plan to vote against the legislation. Thirty-eight Democratic “no” votes are needed to kill the bill.

On Saturday, President Obama made his last appeal for the reform, telling House Democrats on the eve of the historic vote: “Let’s get this done.”

“If you agree that the system is not working for ordinary families, if you’ve heard the same stories that I’ve heard everywhere, all across the country, then help us fix the system,” Obama said.

“Don’t do it for me. Don’t do it for Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid,” he said. “Do it for all those people out there who are struggling.”

Obama’s speech came just hours after Democratic leaders decided to abandon a controversial legislative mechanism to avoid a direct vote on the health care legislation. They will now hold an up-or-down vote on the $875 billion reform plan that the Senate has already passed.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mimismith9/ mimismith9

    I hope it doesnt pass. We need Insurance reform,not free health care for all. If free health care was so good then Canadian wouldnt be crossing the borders to see a doctor here..

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/nivrekp11/ nivrekp11

    What about the insurance company have the right to drop your coverage when you get really sick, even though your premium are paid an up to date ?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mimismith9/ mimismith9

    That’s why its called Insurance reform, to make sure that doesnt happen.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Perionne27/ Perionne27

    So they find an example or so of a Canadian coming to a certain area for medical help and the logic people come with is “Our healthcare is better”.

    Lol no one said European or Canadian health care is “perfect”…but considering the people that are suffering in this country…we do need this reform. And it was never “free”

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/SoularFlarez/ SoularFlarez

    if I cant get discounts on organic foods and healing herbs, I really dont care…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Perionne27/ Perionne27

    The President and Congress have done something decades of administrations have failed to do. Congrats

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Eolufemi/ Eolufemi

    President Obama took one year to accomplish what they couldn’t in 4 decades. At least four fifths of the black population will be eligible to receive some sort of subsidies for health care. I’m sure some people will find something to complain about, but at least on the structural side of the equation it can no longer be said, “nobody’s trying to do something for the people”. Much respect for the President and Speaker Pelosi. Hopefully folks wake up and start pushing back against these tea party folks and stop letting them pass themselves off as the true voice of America.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/smittytva/ smittytva

    Canadians coming here to see a doctor? i always thought it was the other way around

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Black_Queen09/ Black_Queen09

    “Eolufemi I AGREE WITH YOU 1000%… A JOB WELL DONE…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MR_NANASTROKER/ MR_NANASTROKER

    SFlarez those are being outlawed within the CODEX Bill of nutritional Standardized Values
    they want U 2 get addicted 2 what they selling….the only LEGAL drug dealers/users within the USA

    that white boy on TV that sells those books just got his but locked up Kevin Trudeau for telling what has been known but Publically that there IS A CURE FOR CANCER/HIV/AIDS/DIABETES thru HERBAL REMEDIES

    he also authored a Book on Taxes or Credit I forget but it informs you of getting FREE Money from the Government just like the Family members of Congress and H.O.R.’s get but they wont tell you….nor pay any taxes when they shop with the flash of their Tax Free ID Card….yes I have seen one

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MR_NANASTROKER/ MR_NANASTROKER

    I won’t be accessing this form of Health Care
    I’m Good

    it doesn’t take center stage UNTIL 2014!!
    what was all the hampering and bullying politicians for(or at least they say they were bullied)
    now they Have 2 1/2 years 2 try 2 add A Public Option within the framework but now that it has been pushed thru and will get signed after the Elite get a hold 2 it….I mean OBAMA………it will be like making a sex pact tellin her you will but after she swallows you won’t and she stuck with whatever transpired

    I think this shlt was better than the Soaps…lmao
    all the drama involved, YES YOU WILL!(Obama & DCrats) NO I WON’T!(REPUBS & a few DEMS)

    shlt was like Star Wars versus Star Trek
    the outcome was Capt. Kirk ends up fukin Darth Vader….didnt even kiss him or blessed him “may the force be with you”

    now how many of you know that if you are a citizen of this UNited Snakes if you DO NOT! FILE for Health care you will be PENALIZED…enjoy your Democracy

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/SoularFlarez/ SoularFlarez

    Mr NanaStroker…. yeah that CODEX-ALIMENTARIUS is very devilish. herbs/foods being ‘drugs’, but its okay to put all kinda toxins in our so-called food and label it safe since they gettin paid off it.

    ALSO…. are people just STOOPID !?

    there is suposedly a recession right now* and the Health-Care-Industry is a BU$INE$$… that means the #1 purpose is to make money. healthy people means no money and sick dis-eased people poppin pills everyday means they get paid. s**t aint that complicated.

    I say so-called recession cuz there is ALWAYS money changing hands, ALWAYS some kinda commerce taking place. I dont care if people are trading food for toilet paper there is still business going on

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    Anyone in favor of this bill, I contend knows nothing about it. IF anyone thinks that it takes 2700 pages, JUST TO provide everyone with health insurance is out of their mind. There are so many hidden and blatant taxes in this bill but not enough to stop 1.5 trillion being added to the national debt by 2010. They will even tax your personal Health Savings Account and flexible savings accounts. Yes, that’s right, if you decide you want to put some money away to cover yourself in the event of a medical issue in the future, the Government will tax that too. Bottom line, the Govt doesn’t really want you taking care of yourself, they want you fully reliant on them. As SoularFlarez correctly states, they want to get you sick from the poisons in your food and water, then they want to force you to go SEE their doctors, rather than take care of yourself. $$$$$

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Eolufemi/ Eolufemi

    @_A_

    How many people without insurance have a Health Savings Account?

    What people are in favor of is a change in status quo. As for the page count, simply refinancing my house was over a hundred pages. I think you’re out of your mind if you think a legal doc**ent restructuring a sixth of the US economy will read like the ten commandments. Bringing in 30 million of the uninsured, training new general practitioners, subsidizing care for the working class, expanding Medicaid, and building new community health centers COSTS MONEY. You have to have revenue to pay for all that. So of course there are new taxes. The taxes are reasonable and the benefits more than justify the revenue. As for becoming “fully reliant on them”, you’re “fully” capable of rejecting the assistance and sending the subsidy back to the government. If you feel like the government is conspiring to poison you, don’t eat the food. Simple as that. But to deny assistance to millions of folks that are dying DIRECTLY from lack of health care due to inability afford that care is ridiculous. As for the debt, this thing is paid for, it’s up to future congresses to prioritize the health and well being of the people. If they choose to get rid of the funding streams within this bill that’s their choice AT THAT TIME, and can’t be blamed on the architects of these reforms who have written in specific revenue streams to pay for these reforms.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mscaramelle/ mscaramelle

    As a Canadian, I have to completely disagree that Canada’s health care is no good. Do you pay for physicals? Do you pay for hospital stays, surgeries, and regular care at your doctors?

    I have never seen a bill in my life. We don’t wait hours in the emergency room, perhaps an hour or so, but big deal, kids go first.

    We do not allow Canadians to die because of their inability to pay, we don’t send patients out to skid row (after cutting off their hosp bracelet) b/c they don’t have insurance.

    You can knock it all you want, but as long as you have a FOR PROFIT system, you lose.

    And what about the drugs that you or your parents pay $450+ a month for that cost the pharmaceutical companies mere dollars.

    Did you know a yeast infection is a pre-existing condition in the U.S.? Pregnancy, fibroids, depression, etc., etc.

    Please. I challenge you to google any of the Republicans, especially Cantor and the guy who had a meltdown last night, Baynor, and see just how many $MILLIONS big pharma, and the health insurance agencies give to their campaigns, (and how much more they will now be upgrading to fight to repeal)this legislation – - and you will understand why the vote went to the way it did.

    Its time the U.S.A. caught up to the rest of the civilized world who have some peace of mind (not bankruptcy and foreclosures) when illness strikes you or your loved ones.

    Good Grief!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TWuO5dBYjo

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/nivrekp11/ nivrekp11

    This man mother died prematurely because of greedy insurance practices. As soon as the benefit of this bill start to manifest, all you people who are against this bill are going to look silly. This man did what no other president was able to do. My guest we be that most of the people who are speaking against the president never like him from the outset.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    How many have Health Savings Accounts? Probably very few, and probably for the same reason why very few people have a savings accounts period. They have been conditioned to live as reckless as they want today, with no thought of the future, then when that future becomes the present, they then want to stick the hat out for a handout.

    Eolufemi, you have to be a little more practical here. The people who will be asked to pay the majority of these taxes are the people who can least afford to. But it’s just not that simple. If small businesses are unable to hire due to increased taxes, how do those who are unemployed, find new jobs. Real unemployment is about 17% right now. If small businesses can’t or won’t hire, then who pays for those increased taxes. Obviously, the people who are still working. It’s a no brainer. If you expected 10 people to carry a financial load, but only 6 of them are working, then those 6 will be asked to carry a bigger load. The bottom line is, this Government you seem to have so much faith in, is a big part of the reason we find ourselves in need of reform in the first place. It’s a direct result of mismanagement, fraud and waste. As always, instead of the Govt getting to the root of that problem, they want to throw new money at it.

    If this is REAL reform, how come companies like Aetna, Hartford Insurance, Healthnet, Universal Healthcare aren’t complaining at all about this bill. Two obvious reasons. 1) they essentially wrote the bill along with the pharmaceutical industry heads and 2) They both will make BILLIONS when all is said and done.

    Bottom line, I agree that healthcare reform is needed, but this ISN’T it. Status quo has been UNAFFECTED by this bill, and you ain’t reforming nothing, if you ain’t reforming the underlying structure.

    @mscaramelle. You will find many, many democrats on those same websites receiving payments from pharmaceutical and PLANNED PARENTHOOD who is also in favor of this bill. The Canadian system has been in place for many years so it’s not fair to say if Canada has this system, the US should as well. Again, this plan DOES NOT reform this system, and anyone who thinks it does, is just not paying close enough attention. Now people are saying, it’s cool, TAX me, but were mad as hell when George Bush did the same thing. Can’t let politics shape the debate.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Roberto333/ Roberto333

    This battle on health care may have been won.
    But implementing a combined Government and Insurance Company Health care Policy—–WOW——-GOOD LUCK!!!!.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/IvanRoss/ IvanRoss

    @ mscaramelle

    Are you in Canada right now??? If so, then what does this have to do with you? and if not, why are you not there?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/bj24681357/ bj24681357

    Well, this what happens when you have a dumb black bastard in the white house, however the Republicans will be sure to reverse it in 2012 when the white house is brought back to America.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/IvanRoss/ IvanRoss

    For all of you that believe that the government seek control in order to take care of you better has a warped world view.

    In reality, the government wants to barely take care of you in order to control you.

    The founding fathers knew that in the beginning, thats why they wrote the constitution the way that they did.

    If you don’t believe this, then look at every ism (socialist movement) in the history of this world.

    Be aware of any politician that says please surrender your rights so that I can take care of you better.

    Care is not the ends with control being a means, it is just the opposite.

    Care is the means with control being the end.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/prfctgntlmn/ prfctgntlmn

    considering most of you don’t know the first thing about economics (or at least not nearly enough) and even less about our healthcare system…(except mscaramelle…good job). don’t allow yourself to be duped…take some academic courses on health policy and insurance…but if many of you are so against govt. assistance control with healthcare…well…when you turn 65…decline soc. sec. give it to a young college kid struggling…and also be sure to NOT take any medicare funding…pay for it all out of pocket…consider it your way of helping with the deficit…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/shenandoahOK/ shenandoahOK

    bj24681357, What do you mean when the White House is brought back to America?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/libreed/ libreed

    @bj24681357

    I didn’t know the white house left America. Like it or not PRESIDENT Obama did what 43 dumb ass white bastards couldn’t do. And truth be told you might be waiting longer then 2012.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Bruce_88/ Bruce_88

    PRESIDENT Obama signed a Bill that’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
    People not realizing the HEALTH-CARE-BILL realy means GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER.

    **President Obama pull the wool over ALOT OF PEOPLE EYES the (I.R.S.) will be in-forcing this health-care “AND OUR RIGHTS WILL BE VIOLATED”
    **THIS IS NOT HEALTH-CARE REFORM** Their are so many OTHER ways they could have reform the health systems.

    +++ YOU WILL GET $$$ FINED $$$ IF YOU DO NOT consent to the bill

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/FireMississippi/ FireMississippi

    I support The President in His Efforts To Rid The World Of The Plague.

    However, He must understand that the world is stilled ruled by people that have just lost their way. Muslims are powerful people, The World Is Changing.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Eolufemi/ Eolufemi

    @_A_

    You can’t lecture someone on being “realistic” right after you just asserted a sixth of the economy could be restructured in a couple pages of legal text.

    As for HSAs, I think this is another case of you being unrealistic. Disease or accidents are not predictable, nor are the general costs of preventing or treating the two affordable for most people whether they save or not. Hence the necessity of “insurance” which spreads the costs for individuals across a large group of individuals making those costs more affordable for everyone in that pool. As it stands, there are many irresponsible people claiming as you are claiming here that they will just pay for their own care out of pocket should the need rise. Obviously, this doesn’t happen when their care quickly surpasses what they managed to save before hand. Those costs get shifted onto the backs of the insured, tax payers, and small businesses.

    The government therefore cannot afford to ignore the tremendous burden the former status quo was on the insured, tax payers, and small businesses.

    Making your assertions to the contrary baseless. Most Americans will in fact pay less in premiums due to the subsidies than they are presently according to the CBO. The CBO also points out that due to the provisions exempting businesses with fewer than 50 employees from the mandate, these charges that small businesses will be hurt by this bill are false. 95% of small businesses would qualify for that exemption due to that provision.

    All this conversation shows me is that most of the arguments against covering 30 million more people, reducing costs for the insured, building new community health centers, and eliminating discriminatory practices are based on misinformation and baseless talking points.

    This policy is a win for the working class who are currently shut out of the system.

    Taxes are a necessary evil, and I for one do not mind paying more taxes if it means helping other Americans with their health care costs. I have a six figure salary and feel like the health and well being of people should be the government’s priority. If that means the government has to reduce its spending on wars than so be it. There’s no way anyone can honestly complain about 90 billion being spend on health care when we spend $600 billion plus per year on war in places most Americans can’t even point out on a map.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/gz_up87/ gz_up87

    Oh yeah 1 more for OBAMA… now I can go to the doc and not owe $800 just for stepping thru the door! For those who are yelling kill the bill, kill urself…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/gz_up87/ gz_up87

    Who the hell are u bj248….? Why would a dumb white bastard want to be a part of a social network such as blackplanet? I don’t really want to know… but check urself

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    @Eolufemi. Here are a few things you have either omitted from your calculation are are not aware of. I will list a few briefly.

    Additional Medicare tax on self employment income and wages. This
    removes the current cap on wages subject to this tax and it will effectively move the top income tax rate from 35% to 43.4% within a couple of years. Add in the California tax again and would then be close to a 54% marginal tax rate. Because spending is so high we would still have $1 trillion dollar annual deficits even after this tax.

    There is a 2.9% tax on all medical “devices”, which basically means
    everything used in a doctor’s office or hospital. Including gowns, syringes, and the like. This will increase health care costs for everyone who does not get free government insurance.

    The deduction for Medical expenses is currently limited to those
    expenses that exceed 7.5% or your income. This will be raised to a threshold of 10% of your income. This means that fewer people will get any tax relief from medical expenses they pay for themselves.

    A tax on self-insured health plans. This is another penalty on those
    who try to pay for their own health care.

    A new tax on pharmaceutical manufacturers. This will raise the price
    of drugs for everyone who does not get them from the government for free

    A new tax on “Cadillac” health plans. This is an up to 55% tax on
    any health insurance that costs over about $800 per month including employee and employer contributions. This tax does not apply if you are a union member or your plan is from AARP or Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan. These are major Democratic constituencies and they exempted them. For everyone else, this discourages comprehensive health coverage. Isn’t that what the BHO says he is trying to achieve?

    There is a new tax on all ‘for-profit’ health insurance companies
    (except for a few favored ones). This will also raise the costs of premiums
    for everyone not getting free care from the government.

    If you don’t buy health insurance (as dictated acceptable by a new
    federal czar), you will be fined up to 2.5% of your income even if you pay
    all of your medical expenses yourself. If your company does not provide said health insurance to all employees, the company will be fined up to $2,000 per employee.

    In spite of all of these taxes, this bill will create deficits of at least
    half a trillion dollars MORE than what we already have at the federal and
    state levels over the next 10 years, and a great deal more after that. So,
    lots more taxes, lots more spending, and lots more deficits. The time at
    which the Treasury will not be able to sell debt any more, except at a huge
    rate, is approaching fast. America, in my opinion with this bill, is much
    more likely to collapse under the weight of our own fiscal excess than to be seriously threatened by any external force.

    Finally, I really wish BHO would bring all troops home, and use the 1Trillion used to support the 140 bases and the two wars like he promised, to help offset this additional cost. That same CBO has predicted Billions more added to the debt in the first 10 years and then 1 trillion in the next 10. Of course, you have absolutely no regard for cost. But ask yourself, WHO do you think will pay for this? See, you have to understand something, I don’t have a real huge problem with the government subsidizing this if they want to, but DON’T do on the backs of those who can least afford it. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? Billionaires across the world have increased their wealth by 50% last year, adding another 20% to the total number of billionaires. In a time of recession, rich people get even richer, while the wealth of the middle and poor man gets transferred. You, your family (unless you’re part of a rich family) my family, and all the hard working people who are scraping by will be asked, no FORCED to pay this tab, while politicians, Healthcare providers and Big pharma companies will make billions more. How do I know? Where was their opposition to this bill? There wasn’t any, because not only do they stand to gain, but they helped shape this bill. Why do you think the public option got killed, and why do you think the single payer system (REAL REFORM) never even made it out of the gate. This was such a slick marketing job, that when you’re getting squeezed dry for every extra penny you have, you won’t even realize, or connect the dot back to this bill. Also, watch the stock market for companies dealing with Pharma and Healthcare providers, it will rise sharply now. It’s a big shell game my friend.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    My point about the 2700 pages was that everyone seems to think that all this bill does is get everyone covered. They could have done that in a few pages. There are some really troubling aspects to this bill that even Republicans aren’t talking about. Abortion/population control, RFID implantable chips etc.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    Lastly @Eolufemi, I guess we will never see eye to eye on this, so I guess we should agree to disagree on this matter.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Deletha_J/ Deletha_J

    i support the bill. i support obama. cant tell nobody me anything different. end of story.
    @bj24681357 you mad? too bad lol. please make sure you share your exact thoughts with the black people in your area. they would be delighted to beat your ass. its sad when people like you have to use racial slurs to try get your point across but still not saying s**t… now thats what i call no class having trash.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Eolufemi/ Eolufemi

    @_A_

    I’m glad you outlined what exactly you have a problem with in these reforms, and I’ll address as many of your points as time allows. I’ll do so because it’s a disservice to the rest of my community to allow a lot of your misinformation to go unchallenged, especially when you’re presenting yourself as a champion of the people. When in fact your argument is really just a series of excuses to perpetuate a status quo where the working poor, women, and the elderly are discriminated against and black folk specifically suffer fall victim to disease and infirmary at disparate rates due to lack of access and coverage.

    The Medicare tax is currently 1.45% of income. The increase is less than a single percent and is being applied to individuals earning more than $200,000 a year, and households earning more than a quarter of a million dollars per year. That tax applies to less than 5% of the population and by no means is a tax on the working or the vast majority of the middle class. If covering more people and making that coverage affordable for the majority of Americans means people making a more than a quarter of a million dollars pay 1% more in Medicare taxes so be it. As for your state taxes, the federal government is not responsible for state taxes. You guys in California voted in the last action hero for governor, voted for a three strikes law and other zero tolerance polices that exploded your corrections budget without concurrently voting for the taxes to pay for it and now you’re reaping what you sew. Gut your corrections budget and you’ll be able to afford paying your taxes. Simple as that.

    A 2.9% sales tax on medical devices is not cost prohibitive. The fact is that tax IMPROVES the system because it makes waste and inefficiency cost-prohibitive. As the millions being brought into the system are going to be paying below asking price for services, this will incentivize providers reducing waste of materials by at least that much to recoup overhead costs. Given the size of the subsidies and number of individuals finally becoming insured that 2.9% tax on medical devices is more than justified.

    Your complaint about the tax deduction ceiling being raised to 10% is equally as petty considering the over-all benefit to the greater number of individuals who will now have access to care. You’re essentially saying the thirty million individuals that don’t have care now are less of a priority than maintaining a 3% exemption from taxes.

    Your argument against taxing pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies is an argument against taxing any corporations at all. All corporations pass on their taxes to consumers. The health care industry has been unique in that they’ve managed to convince policy makers they should be exempt from taxation. If the guy that shovels snow out of my driveway has to pay taxes, why should companies giving million dollar bonuses to their execs and spending billions on lobbying congress get a free pass on taxes. Furthermore, you’re inaccurately describing the excise tax on insurance companies. For a family of four who spend $27,000 on insurance premiums will be subject to a 40% tax on the amount ABOVE that thresh-hold, so it’s not even the entire $27,000. More importantly the vast majority of people in this country don’t have plans worth that much. You’re asking the have nots to give up the gains from the reform law based on petty concerns about rather minimal tax increases that affect a small group of individuals at the top of the economic ladder.

    Also, why should we believe YOU over the Congressional Budget Office? The CBO has analyzed this bill and stated specifically that it will reduce costs for most Americans while REDUCING the deficit. It’s one thing to be confident, it’s another thing to arrogantly dismiss the findings of EXPERTS who analyze these things for a living. Nobody of significance is challenging the CBO on their conclusions. The biggest issue regarding costs for this plan is the ASSUMPTION that future congresses will NOT remove the taxes created by this law to pay for itself. That being the case, the argument about costs isn’t a criticism of the law as much as its a criticism of FUTURE possible decisions by Congress. As nobody can control the actions of what SOMEBODY ELSE does in the future, it’s ridiculous to conflate fears about political behavior with fears about fiscal policy. You address fiscal policy and take care of Congress when the moment arrives.

    Finally, there’s no need to lecture me about war or to justify your cynicism about politics and governance. We live in a world where you can choose to be relevant and actually make your words manifest in action or you can choose to be irrelevant and sit back complaining about what others have decided on your behalf. Nothing you have said here even begins to move anyone to action or to suggest viable alternatives to proposed solutions. I’ll ride with the President, who I have SEEN actually DO something for people typically considered to be of least priority to those defending the rich from minimal tax increases. I work on change within my community on a county level and I see what it takes to achieve even incremental progress, so I don’t expect ANY individual to single handedly solve all problems for all people. But when AN individual is able to HELP 30 million people through policy at the highest level of governance, I tip my hat to that individual while encouraging further action on the other fronts of import to our collective well being.

    On that I don’t see how any reasonable person can disagree, so if that’s what we can’t see eye to eye on, of course you can expect your opinions to be challenged not only by myself but by every other reasonable individual that recognizes the problem with your perspective which prioritizes the haves over the have nots.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/commentbug/ commentbug

    I heard something, that we can be fined if we dont have health ins, thats like being fined for living is it?

    http://www.commentbug.com

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mimismith9/ mimismith9

    Screw that stupid bill,like I said before fix the dam insurances companies,theIR the real problem, here comes the end of the world!!! If were always giving s**t,how will we help ourselves,dam food stamps,cash assistance,all that s**t.. Dont people know its actually coming out of OUR pockets. They aint paying crap.Everyone’s happy healthcare healthcare, wait till that s**t blows up then what. I dont want my kids to have to pay for those people who are lazy who wont get up to help themselve, saying oh Obama will take care of me. That how alot of minorities think. I think they should wipe out goverment assistances.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Twentylaws1/ Twentylaws1

    This was a teachable moment for the Republicans and the Tea Partiers! I noticed early yesterday morning two anchors on Fox were quite humble in their conversations about the vote. Even Jeb Bush said in so many words yesterday, “They won, we lost!”. Either way America is on the right track now with a proper leader.

    I don’t know what it is about President Obama he seems to have nine-lives or something. Just as I grow weary of his appeasing mannerisms towards the GOP, just when I have resigned myself to believe he and his administration have become ineffective, just when I am about to lose all hope (the day Scott Brown won Teddy’s seat!), the President pulls a magic rabbit out of his hat on Sunday night. So I vow right here and right now, to be patient with this President. To remember, change is NOT always swift but ever present once it arrives. Miracles do happen and I’ve witnessed two in the last year! From the man they said who would not become President to the man who delivered on his campaign promise of Healthcare Reform.

    So this is what change looks like? Wow!

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/prfctgntlmn/ prfctgntlmn

    Bruce_88…i guess you missed the part where you recieve a govt. subsidy to pay for the bill…in other words…we will give you money for healthcare and you will use it to pay your healthcare premium…no civil violation there bruh…and for those that don’t qualify for the subsidy…you can fill out a form and get excused from the penalty…but I guess you missed that part…I understand…its a lot of words and pages…you probably got a headache and just started listening to Faux news to feel better…tell you what…if you don’t like the law…go to Costa Rica with Rush Limbaugh…I’m sure he’ll treat you better than our govt…and I’m sure you’ll enjoy how the govt treats their citizens on other civil policies…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Bruce_88/ Bruce_88

    @prfctgntlmn
    I guess you missed the part about being FINED $$$ for for not getting GOV’T-Insurance. I guess you missed the part about it’s *UNCONSTITUTIONAL* TO FORCES American join or PAY for something they MAY NOT WANT.
    *civil violation there bruh*

    *How about this same GOVERNMENT is the GOV’T that RAN THE COUNTRY IN THE MESS IT IS.**Bush & Obama “Stimulus” aka bailout Billions That when to the Big Business & Corporation.

    @prfctgntlm “you probably got a headache and just listening to Faux
    YOUR LISTEN TO FAUX AND JUST WANT A FREE HAND-OUT.

    I’m not on WELFARE & CAN PAY MY OWN HEALTH-CARE.

    ++THE HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM WAS NOT FIXED there are BETTER ways they could reform it**REGULATE INSURANCE COMPANIES**like the sist’a mimismiths9 said

    ALSO…REVIEW your HISTORY everytime the GOV’T Stick there HANDS IN BUSINESS systems & economy get destroy. like you see today.

    AMERICA was built on FREE enterprise FREE commerce & “WE THE PEOPLE” not government bruh…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/critical22/ critical22

    I am actually in “torn place” right now. Ummm well, I was one of the first Barack Supporters from day 1 even before he beat out Hillary. I also know for a fact that alot of the racist whites, do see PRESIDENT OBAMA, as a symbol of all blacks, therefore they do want whateeeeeeeever he promotes to FAIL. SO with that point, I do want him to succeed in everything because it will be like we are defeating those racist whites. Now, I also know that we are in the end times, if not the FINAL END, some kind of end, but there is an end coming up trust me (the world is too upside down right now for there not to be an end) and I know that means “BIG BROTHER” will not have our best interest! Or better yet the forces controlling “BIG BROTHER” do not have the common people best interest at heart, therefore down the short road coming up( that few of us can see right now) there will be alot of anger and few smiles …from all of us, yup including blacks..NOW THAT’S JUST REAL TALK…YOU CAN DISAGREE BUT YOU CANNOT PROVE ME WRONG :)

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Perionne27/ Perionne27

    Lol @ Government takeover. The bill doesn’t even have a public option. The lies you people have bought into is really amazing as it relates to this bill. Did some of you even bother to read a non-biased fact checking source? A lot of those scare tactics as it relates to this bill has been thrown out the window

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/prfctgntlmn/ prfctgntlmn

    @Bruce 88…if you new your history…(recent and further back) you would know free enterprise hasn’t really existed since we established our central banking system…do you even understand our economy? Granted the healthcare bill was not perfect…but its key elements will bring about the neccessary fixes we need…including Insurance company regulation…this is a close as we are going to get to public option healthcare…and also the penalty will be taken at tax time…so at best your refund check will be reduced…but that’s it…and for that matter you claim you’re against govt. handouts and being forced to pay for what you don’t want…I bet you won’t turn down your social security check or medicare when you get old enough…and for the record…I don’t need welfare…I don’t need the reform, I’m in the upper tax bracket that will pay for all of this…but unlike you…I care enough for those who are unfortunate and hardworking who CANT afford to pay for their care and get stuck with a large hospital bill that kills their credit score…and since your evidently NOT even well versed in how our healthcare system works (like your Faux news idol Gods)…I understand and forgive your ignorance…I’ve been a hospital exec for the last several years…and am formally trained in this field…our current healthcare system is a commodity based system…in this type of environment you will have the “Haves and Have-nots” based on income and other factors…it’s economic darwinism…hmmm…I wonder who that effects disproportionately?…tell you what…I’ll help educate you…read these books…then get back at me: Health Insurance: A Primer; History and Health Policy in the U.S. (new england journal of medicine);Healthcare Economics: A primer; and History of the American Economy…these are some of many books used by accredited institutions which I can assure you…nobody at Fox has read or taken a course in…if you don’t see their propaganda to be the anti MSN and make money and ratings off of manipulating peoples emotions…(not that Dem’s are innocent in any way)…then that’s your prerogative, Bobby Brown…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/prfctgntlmn/ prfctgntlmn

    and Bruce_88 please excuse my condescending tone…I mean no harm…sometimes we let our passions get the best of us…but it shouldn’t stop us from having fruitful debate…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/darkagesempire/ darkagesempire

    House passes Health Care Reform
    what does this mean more taxes that will not pay for what it supposed to . like they(NWO) do with all Ur taxes. they (NWO) will say we need more funds we just don’t have the money so we must taxes U more & more & more!!! but the good thing about this bill or any bill Bush & Obama passes that is unconstitutional we don’t have to comply to this crap none of it. I don’t think people R reading what this bill say. this is not Free Health Care this is Forced Health Care U will pay more for less(bet U the Insurance co hate that). & yes I’m black so no I’m not a racist. but ask Ur self how can they(NWO) pay for this bill & save money from this bill???

    wow , Y R people so happy about a bill that was written in the 60′s to put the U.S. under U.N. control(like all the bills passed in the last 107years type this in youtube”United Nations & “Alien” Great Deception pt.1/14″ this was made in the 80′s talking every step we R walking. someone e-mailed me this bill is good , good for who? not for people like me . I don’t go to the doctors I never get sick ,Y? maybe because I don’t eat fast-food , junk food,mammals or drink soda. I do my daily exercises, I don’t allow stress in my life(meditation) but my point is this bill will not help U live long healthy lifes. this bill will make sure Ur life is short ,Y? whatever problem U have they have a pill for it. big pharmaceutical companies who R controlled by the banks who R controlled by the U.N. who R controlled by the elite of the world R the only ones who will benefit from this bill and all bills past ,present & future love 2 U all 1

    p.s. here R some other thigs on my mind

    The tax code in the U.S. is kind of hard to understand if you can not read & the irs knows this. Type “Theft By Deception 1 of 9 Deciphering The Federal Income Tax” in youtube search box. If your a U.S. citizen who receive domestic earnings , you do not have to pay income taxes. & for all the other taxes, we pay for schools,roads,police,firemen & so on. But what do they always say to us, we don’t have the funds. So where are the funds, what are our taxes paying for??? & property taxes could only be applied to the total amount you pay for the home not as long as you own it or it’s not your property

    &

    this is called freedom of the press. they R free 2 lie about any & everything they report & it’s not just fox news all of them do this. the only way around the lies is 2 research everything U see & hear 2 find the truth. because U will never know what’s up in the world if U rely on one source. always ask Y. U will never go wrong.

    &

    When I read the posting I see their(nwo) plans R working. it’s like gang war I hate the reds I hate the blues. wake up no matter who we put in office they all say 1 thing but always do another .

    we don’t need governments we need a world community but on the people’s terms. they R civil services we R the leaders. I do like Ron Paul but one person can not save us we have 2 stop holding this system up & let it fall(that will stop the greed of power). give up the concept of money all 2gether(that will stop the need to want, what we don’t need).

    religions should be personal(that will allow us as people 2 focus on things that effects us all). the Rights of all earth’s humans R. U have all the rights U want as long as U do not lie,steal,rape,harm or kill (triple the charges if a minor is involved under 18). we must work as one for the great human race there 4 all knowledge will be public(not a privilege). those without shelter we as humans will help U build U shelter(no one will be homeless).

    those without food we as humans will help & show U how 2 farm & fish(no one will be hungry). reverse osmosis water filter must be in every home & car(no one will be thirsty). solar energy generating systems must be in every home & car(no one will be without energy). this is what our society will look like if U can Wake up & Grow up. this is the blueprint of a planet of love & peace. this is what we should be spending our time & energy on, not the New World Order but The Great World Order constitution!!! love 4 u all 1

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Bruce_88/ Bruce_88

    @prfctgntlmn What was the point to your post
    if you know your history,do you understand the economy,penalty will be taken at tax time,I bet you won’t turn down social security & medicare,like your faux’ news idol gods BLAH BLAH BLAH.. NO “I understand and forgive your ignorance”

    @prfctgntlmn Your Ignorant for leaving comments like that, Your comments speaks for itself and “I NEVER ASKED YOU FOR YOUR REFERENCE”.

    Your trying to educate someone that’s educated in Economics
    *I’m educated to know that the country can’t afford RIGHT NOW a $$$ 1 Trillion dollar health bill to the already Trillion dollar in debt Nation and climbing that will damage or worten US economy and currency like the Bush&Obama stimulus. “Can Spend your way out of Financial Problem”.
    *I’m educated to know Social Security is NOT A HAND-OUT it’s “OWN TO ME”.
    *I’m educated to know that (ObamaCare) was not Health-Care-Reform.
    _-_I’M FOR HEALTH REFORM THAT ALL BE COVERED & A SYSTEM THAT IS AFFORDABLE for all classes and unemployed, who won’t want the best for there follow men but not of a Cost of $1 Trillion dollar and MY RIGHT.
    *And like my first post THERE ARE MANY OTHER WAYS THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM CAN BE REFORM “REAL REFORM”

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