gotta agree with him….there is nothing but gas and radiation in the universe….if i was god (and am made in his image) why would i wanna hang out in the universe?….

I am a Christian (very technical, mathematically inclined) who believes Mr. Hawking is certainly entitled to his opinion, but whether you agree or disagree, it really still comes down to faith in one notion or another. There are logic flaws with what he says in some areas that perhaps he might need to explain:

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing…Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.”

There can be no “itself” if the “it” in that word is nothing. The universe cannot simultaneously be “Nothing” and “Something” at the same time, so a “Nothing” universe cannot create itself because it, according to Hawking, is “nothing” to begin with. A “nothing” cannot do any action, and the act of creating is an action that can only be done by “something,” not “nothing.” “Nothing” has no identity and has no behavior. So there’s a mysterious “Nothing-Something” that Hawking indirectly points to which is the Creator of “Something.” See how silly this becomes? As the Bible says, only a fool says there is no God. But I am not trying to debate anyone into a believer because either it is in you or it is not.

@blackbizman

I concur. God definitely exists and he created the heavens and the earth.

Professor Stephen Hawking: "God Did Not Create Universe" | News One…

I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…

<—-Atheist

*APPLAUSE*

When someone can PROVE 'god' exists then I'll believe it…And judging by THIS world we live in….If he is the 'heavenly father' then he's a straight DEADBEAT dad that only comes around when HE wants to….

Ah damn, they won’t even let me post my comment….lol

Know im about to strike a fire in this one….

blackbiznma2008…this is a difficult subject for sure especially for people who are Christian and work in the science field…however, you are right the professor is entitled to his own opinion but there are a lot of unanswered questions in the world and even in science that can not be answered by it was just happened…

Of course that BULLS**T God that whitefolk and most people call God can’t do anything except remain a brain washing imagine.The God that I worship (not only just believe in) created all that is in existence.People often wonder why they are in so many f**ked up situations.Maybe thats why he’s in a wheelchair.Nothing against him but God does all whether we understand or not.

God showed me on plenty of occasions that he does exist. there is no doubt in my mind he is real. I dont care what science and theories say because man is not even the size of a molecule in compared to the universe. God is infinite.

that professor guy looks like he hasnt had a date in a while.

Well of course HE would be the first to claim that there is no God, I mean all you have to do is look at him, he got the worse deal of the ugly stick. As a fellow scientist, I am ashamed that he has made such a ridiculous claim without no evidence whatsoever backing up his scientific findings, science is constantly refuting your findings until there is nothing else to refute. I know for a fact there is a God, just look at things like consciousness; science still has not figured out how it is we can dream and make perfect logical decisions. If the universe as we know it is as “spontaneous” as this guy wants us to believe, why is it that we see colors, instead of darker shades of gray, why is it we can conceive of abstract concepts such as art and love? These are both things if used correctly can bring us towards a Utopian society, yet if there were no God wouldn’t we all be living as the animals do multiplying in public and eating each other?

btw,

PRAISE JESUS!!!!

evolution !t’s r3ally just another way for the people dats going to hell to convence themselves and other that hell does not ex!st “rlgc”

The whole God vs. Science thing is a laughable waste of time.

Some arguments will just always be unresolvable arguments until we die or see Jesus himself.

You have some atheists who talk about Christians as if they’re weak and stupid, you have some Christians who talk about atheists as if they’re evil and damned…

Just shut your mouths, open your minds, and live your lives how you feel is best; but do it without insulting others who don’t believe the same things as you do.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15663_god-fuse-10-things-christians-atheists-can-agree-on.html

if i were a christian, i would praise the being that created GOD, hes the REAL power broker.

ive NEVER seen anything “created” from nothing so its about safe to say its probably bs to keep the wealth and resources in the hands of the few and justify the deaths of the genetically dominant. read isis papers, its all in there.

What is the greatest thing God ever gave mankind besides life? Free will. You can choose to believe in Christ or not. You can choose to believe in God or not. It’s up to you. On this planet, nothing will probably happen to you until you die. If he or anyone else choose not to believe in God, that’s on them and them only.

“What is the greatest thing God ever gave mankind besides life?”

a brain, i dont think he would dissaprove of me using it 4 myself.

Well, Mr. Hawking will soon find out. God created scientist only to prove Himself right! BTW, God uses the book of Job to explain a number of scientific facts. For ex. (Job 26:7), NKJV, “He hangs the earth on nothing”. Also, (Isaiah 40:22). “It is He that sitteth upon the earth the circle of the earth…..etc. How would anyone know 6000 yrs. ago that the earth was round or a sphere in shape, and it hangs on nothing? We didn’t find this out until about a century ago!

“How would anyone know 6000 yrs. ago that the earth was round or a sphere in shape, and it hangs on nothing? We didn’t find this out until about a century ago!”

hes joking, right?

uuuuuh, egypt? see, religion is the anti-knowledge. this guy knows NOTHING about history because his beliefs DONT require him to. how sad, at least WATCH the history channel. they show something about this once a day. no wonder the UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is so high.

DAMN! They won’t let me post! It’s all good, infinite_question, HOLD IT DOWN!!

As humans, we are not supposed to prove God exists. He’s already done that. And yet some still believe we went to the moon, and Neil Armstrong one of the main astro-nots! won’t even discuss it, but fuzzy Buzzy Aldrin, can’t keep his mouth shut. Anyway, just keep telling people about the Lord Jesus, and don’t shoot the messenger!

…(Sighs)….(lol!)….You know….I hate being mean, and I’m not one to be mean to disabled people…but this cracker, who can’t even wipe his own a.ss, brush his own teeth, feed himself….you getting me??!!…He got the nerve to say this??!!…(lol!)…They (white people) think nothing of publishing this piece of shyt from a piece of shyt…and continually denounce the scholarship of all of our Black and African historians, archeologists and scientists, forever second-guessing their studies, findings and proven artifacts….just because theses things are not found by “white” people. This is one of the biggest deceptions that white people are playing (and have played) on most of us. In my opinion, it is Mr. Hawking’s “personal opinion” that there is no God……because he’d have to first prove it…….and in order to prove it, he’d have to get up off his a.ss….oh, shyt!…wait a minute!….he can’t even get up out of his wheelchair!…Damn!….(lol!)….

What is the real religion of black people, I mean as far as before we were introduced to Christianity?

blackbizman2008, “…As the Bible says, only a fool says there is no God”

So let’s do this….Let’s think of how many countless fools the bible has produced….

This subject is so mute its ridiculous. I being an Atheist have no proof that god doesn’t exist,(outside of the LACK of his appearance when needed), and religious people have no proof that he does….

And if there is a ‘god’, and he created the black man FIRST, why would he in turn allow him to be enslaved, tortured, degraded etc for 400+ years?? If we are all god’s children, why hasn’t he seen to it that all of us are treated equally/fairly?

I’ll say it again…Either god doesn’t exist and humans are morons for thinking as such, OR he does exist, he is very omnipotent, but doesn’t give a shyt what happens to MOST of us…..Either way, it’s BS to me…

prof hawking maybe physically disabled, but the religious sound MENTALLY retarded.

anyone who thinks some 2000 year old jew or hebrew dude is in space developing commercial and resedential real estate is literally retarded. listen to what that book is claiming. its silly…

And don’t give me that ‘free will’ crap either because if we did truly have ‘free will’ then NO ONE would be accused of going to hell…if it is free will, then it MUST be acceptable….

AND god would have taken the white man out ages ago for infringing upon the black person’s ‘FREE will’….

Whenever people, especially Black people, talk about religion, my belief is this:…before their was religion, their was God. Based solely on my personal experiences, I have come to the conclusion years ago that white people’s perception of God is in total contrast and in total contradiction to the beliefs and convictions of Black people. And, even among Black people, we also have some variances as to the perception of who God really is. I’m not saying that this is a problem. It is a matter of free will, where you are given the option by God to believe in what you want. I personally think that Christianity, as developed and propagated by European/white supremacists upon Black people globally, is a mental trap that is used to stun our spiritual growth. Replace Jesus with the experiences of the average Black man in Amerika, South Africa, Canada, France, Brazil, and tell me what is the difference? There’s also a lot of mysticism and unexplained rituals that are inherent within “Christianity” that are never given a thorough and logical explanation when queried. Why is that? What would God have leaders “hide” the “truth” from us? God is a living man; we are a living image of God (not the white man, who represents all that that is evil, hence the devil.) I’ve had to totally change my way of thinking on nearly all aspects of life itself. When too many questions aren’t being answered, when there are too many contradictions in what you are told as a “believer” against what we actually face out here in the real world as Black people, something is wrong with the logic of Christianity….Just my thoughts…No proselytizing here!….(lol!)….

@CaliFemme….But….we still love you, though!….

My conscious is my afterlife. I know what I’m doing right and wrong. I choose to either do the right thing or wrong thing. However, like a credit card bill, I know what I’m going to have to pay!…That’s what free will is all about.

What is the real religion of black people, I mean as far as before we were introduced to Christianity?

we didnt have religion, we had a CULTURE. huge difference, playa. no 1 religion controlled the continent of africa, and thats why they ruled the world for 100,000s of years. according to the “good book”, a VAST majority of egyptian rule never existed. retarded ass @isaidit says egyptians thought the earth was flat.

this “created” ignorance is the result of egyptians being painted as the antagonist in exodus. the scientific and astrological knowledge of those people eclipsed some of our own, proving that europeans dont know sh!t, never have and will continue to kill, discredit, or assimilate ANYONE who has the POTENTIAL to outthink them. moses did it himself in the story as half of his camp STILL saw ASTROLOGY as superior to their “jewish” god. why do u think they built a taurus calf from gold?

the problem was that after all the statues were defaced and stripped of their ethnic conotation, the paintings in the pyramids STILL depicted people of color. the writers of the bible clearly saw egyptian knowledge as the achilles heel of their doctrine and it STILL is.

NewsOne trippin…..cutting of the comments section…..can anybody spell “Conspiracy”??..

easy_one65, Love you too dear..lol

“It is a matter of free will, where you are given the option by God to believe in what you want.”

Oh so what you’re saying is god gives the option for you to believe in HIM however you choose to or something as long as you in fact believe in him? That doesn’t make sense. How can so many people believe that our world has been pre-determined, there are people who believe that our paths were destined even before we were born and yet they believe in free will? The bible says god is a ‘jealous’ god, doesn’t want you to stray from HIM at all, if you do, you will be punished accordingly….How does that play into free will? “Yeah, do what you want to do right or wrong, but know you’re going to pay for it when the times comes!” What kind of crazy nazi type shyt is that?! That’s like telling a toddler to go right ahead and play with fire, right or wrong, but know that you will get a spanking OR burn yourself. Why not just STOP said toddler before they get spanked or burnt?

Sorry, but ‘free will’ and following orders don’t go together. Excuse me though, maybe this is just the easter bunny, er! OOPS! I mean the devil! Maybe it’s just the devil talking….

I think it’s INSANE to live your entire life afraid of what happens AFTER you die….When someone from heaven or hell comes back to confirm it, then I’ll change my mind, (MAYBE!).

THERE IS A GOD.HIS SON’S NAME IS JESUS.IF ANYBODY SAYS GOD IS IRRELEVANT THEN ANSWER THIS….WHERE DID THE DUST COME FROM THAT STARTED THE BIG BANG? DUST DOESN’T CREATE ITSELF.WHO CREATTED THE SUN?…U MAY SAY IT CAME FROM A BIG EXPLOSION OF GAS……WHERE DID THE “GAS” COME FROM? GOD HAD TO CREATE THE UNIVERSE AND HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST AND IF U DONT BELIEVE THAT, YOU JUST NEED PRAYER FOR YOUR WAY OF THINKIN BEFORE ITS TOO LATE TO SWITCH.

I mean seriously, if you created reality and everything in it, why would you worry or need to prove yourself to something you created? Wouldn’t you be busy creating other things elsewhere rather than watching the news or forums debating whether you existed or not? You don’t need to prove anything to anybody…

If a computer chip thinks that humans don’t exist. would humans care to prove their existence to a computer microchip? Not really because the humans don’t need the computer microchip to exist whether the microchip believes so or not…

Comic book characters exist but they are not real…

Atoms are real but they don’t really exist… At least as we think of them…

God is smarter than people think he is… He knows that if he plays to human whims and shows himself, he is gonna get the Paparazzi and media and the entire human race after him and questioning every decision he makes before and after he makes it so he ignores the calls to try to get him to come out and prove himself

You will have folks coming up to him as he’s trying to create something asking him to strike down their rival or enemy or lend them a few million dollars or help them win the lottery… Remember what happened in Bruce Almighty?

He will be hounded everywhere he went or is and he wouldn’t be able to have some quiet time to create or ponder his creations…

So this way, he keeps apathetic or anxious people guessing and debating and running around while he focuses on his work…

(Just my opinion).

As for science…

WTH ARE THOSE FLYING CARS AND ROBOTIC SERVANTS AND FANCY HOUSE GIZMOS AND ADVANCED MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY WE WERE PROMISED IN THE YEAR 2000?

GET BACK TO WORK ON THAT!!!

Thats just as ridiculous as saying his wheelchair created its- self, for him…

I totally agree with him, why would i believe in a make believe person that’s like believing in Santa Claus. I believe in facts not a make believe story.

nature doesnt NEED “creation”, it needs appreciation.

There may be a God, a “higher power,” or some powerful source of energy that had some hand in creating the universe, but a God that has control over what happens on earth or in the afterlife? No. The “God” of the Bible and other religions like Buddhism, Muslims, etc that people worship….do not exist. People need to think more rationally, grow up from their child make belief stories, and stop thinking based on emotions and being afraid to let go of something that we all know deep down inside makes no sense and isn’t possible true.

Most African Americans don’t even understand that Christianity is a religion that was passed on to us from White people. If our ancestors weren’t slaves….we’d all be in Africa worshiping some tree branch shrine with blood drippings from clitoris removal or something insane. The majority black people in American don’t know how to think for themselves. I don’t blame them though…..it’s just sad.

No scientist, priest, atheist or average human being on this Earth can prove or disprove God’s existence of lack there of.

Religion is based on faith. Faith doesn’t mean fact but it doesn’t make it any less real to the individual. You take Christianity, it has changed with the times with Old, New and King James versions.

Science itself has its own basis in a belief in something that is yet to be proven too. With its presumptions, theories and laws. Which tend to be broken, change or found not to exist.

So do I agree? Hmmm….

“A smart man knows…a wise man knows he knows nothing”

“Stand for something or you will fall for anything”

or my personal favorite…

“Which came first…..How did it get there?”

The car doesn’t make itself…yet…but it sure as hell doesn’t ask how it got there either

Faith doesn’t mean fact but it doesn’t make it any less real to the individual.

true, but it would be biggest flaw of any organization to be built on NOTHING substancial. share holders had FAITH in ENRON, lehman bros, and aig. does it mean that they got a return on all that false hope? ask someone whos 401k depended on it.

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Wow… thats the best picture u all could put up there of him!?? LOL

Who cares what this bone head has to say and why is news one reporting on this nut as if this was some real news. Even if there are gas and radiation in the universe there was a higher power that create those gases and radiation to create the universe. Europeans has always tried to put God in a box to define his/her powers. They never will understand what truly is important you can keep Europe’s understanding of the world its not my cup of tea.

My fellow Atheists, why bother trying to convince these sheep NOT to jump over the edge for their god they’ve never seen? They’ll NEVER see the light because they “need” answers to the unexplained. Atheists are 100% comfortable with no knowing everything. We’re cool knowing that some things are just beyond human comprehension. But believers HAVE to have a reason for everything. If noone can explain it, then that means it HAD to be a God. That logic is too simple and, well, ignorant. If I break in your house and steal all of your s**t without leaving any trace of how I came in, you all would unlock your doors, walk in, see that your s**t is missing, and because there was no means of an entrance or exit, say “God must have taken it.”

See how easily controlled and fooled you are?

I was that fool for about 23 years. But then reality and knowledge showed me the way out of the labyrinth that is religion. Free yourselfs and only then, will life truly begin.

And talk about Hawkins’ appearance all you want. Yeah, he’s pretty messed up, but also one of the greatest scientific minds of our time. His work and name will be forever immortalized long after you’ve been forgotten. So in all, he’s done more crippled, than all of ya’ll talking about him has without any of his physical flaws AND your god by your side.

As with your religion, again, the jokes on you…..

well sht, maybe he did come from a monkey

LOLOLOLOLOL

Ambitious_Balla, I KNEW you were coming for this one!

Edavis, WELL SAID!

Any black person that follows the word of the bible is truly uneducated, lacks knowledge and doesn’t know the history if his own people. That book was used to CONTROL and destroy us, how can so many of you live your lives by it? The same entity that was used in a destructive way against us is now being used as the very tool that is supposedly going to save us??? What sense does that make????????????

I think that everybody is entitled to their own opinion so here’s mine you spend all your life lying to your kids about santa claus but when you run out of cash to pay for that Sh!t you tell your kids that santa does’t really exist and that it was you all along. Soon you will figure out the God is simply Santa with a different suit on in other words unexistent. Religion is simply a crutch given to the people of the world to simple do these things CONFUSE, SEPERATE, and CAUSE CHAOS Soon the world will see that we need to depend on each other not someone who supposedly has all this power and does nothing to help. when something bad happens you don’t blame god you blame the PEOPLE around the situation. So why when you put all of YOUR hard work into something you give the credit to a man/woman that you have no proof of knowing exists

Ya know , folks can argue until they’re blue in the face about religion, mysticism, whatever folks choose to call it but to assume that people who believe are uneducated and lack knowledge or that people who don’t believe are heathens and are going to hell is yet another form of division. Why can’t folks leave well enough alone and allow people their right to believe what they choose? I was born into the Methodist Episcopal faith and became a follower of Islam when I was 23. That conversion convinced me that I don’t fit the mold of a true Christian, in fact I lean more toward Islamic teaching, however I refuse to be put in a box. I like many people see some discrepancies and flawed thinking in religion. I learned long ago to keep my mouth shut regarding these kind of discussions because no one is entirely right or wrong. People believe what you want to believe, worship who you choose to worship(or not worship) it’s nobody’s business but your own.

Califemme… I love you to pieces, but I have to do this one just in good conscious. PLEASE READ IT BEFORE YOU GO IN ON ME. Thanx :)

Stephen Hawkins has wasted his life if that was his last claim…

From Kemet to the rest of the world every holibook (including the bible) tells the same story about what our actions should be though everyone has a different lead character running the show.

To make this really basic, God is a word used to denote the culmination of all energy in the Universe.

(This part is not for the elite)

Mark 14 Verse 62 :And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 16 Verse 19 :So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

So right hand of power and right hand of God… hence God = Power. Power, Vigor, Force and Energy are all synonymous or one and the same.

Now to tie it in with science…

In Physics the first law in thermodynamics says “energy cannot be created or destroyed; rather, the amount of energy lost in a steady state process cannot be greater than the amount of energy gained. This is the statement of conservation of energy for a thermodynamic system. It refers to the two ways that a closed system transfers energy to and from its surroundings”

Which is conducive with Revelation 1 Verse 8 :”I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

If energy cannot be created it is Alpha, if energy cannot be destroyed it is Omega. We already know that energy runs thru everything, and that all life is sustained by the energy of the universe.

This not only proves the existence of God but that the energy spoken of in science and the God spoken of in all religions are one and the same.

If anyone wants to go pound for pound on my points I will happily tap that ass, I spent the past 13 years studying all of this stuff.

Love you Califemme!

This one will get blown way out of proportion. We should be careful not to misinterpret what was said. Quoting the Bible, Torah, Qu’ran or any of our holy books alone does not automatically mean that Hawkins is in error (even though he may be). If we believe any of these books to be the absolute word of God, then we may have problems with Hawkins. Now Hawkins never said there is no God. He is merely saying that the creation of the Universe can take place without a “creator”. These are 2 separate concepts. I have heard this claim before from other academicians who do in fact believe in God! Most of them however, do not have Hawkins background in Physics. All I will say is that the jury has not fully weighed in on this yet. Hawkins has amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and has been confined to a wheelchair for almost 50 years.

The question we might address is can God exist without also being the creator of the Universe?

this whole conversation is stupid…people who don’t want to believe in God will interpret the Bible in their own way and people who do believe in God will interpret the Bible in their own way. However, no one should call anyone else uneducated for what they believe is truly the uneducated and ignorant one.

No one can disprove or prove without a shadow of doubt that there is no God…so this conversation is pointless especially when the person who wrote the book in question at one point believed that there was a creator…

UntilHeReturns, GIRL YOU SAID IT! My sentiments exactly…

Stan_Vinyl, Ey, that’s what I wanna know…You love me to ‘pieces’ before you ‘check’ me..;-)

Now, on to your breakdown…Honestly, I’m not going to go there scientifically because it would take forever on this blog, and it would bring other BS responses my way…I ‘ain’t’ in the mood.

Your scientific reasoning makes perfect sense, damn near can’t be refuted. I give you that one of course. You speak of the exception not the ‘rule’. How many people, the masses rather, do you know of that see or condition ‘god’ as you laid out here? MOST people see god as something to FEAR, ( I REFUSE to fear ANYTHING/ANYONE), bow down to, give up my earthly value for some Extraterrestrial being??

Yet and still, you have taken verses from the bible and furthered them due to your own perception. JUSTIFYING what you believe god to be. I have no time nor desire to do so just for my own reasoning. The existence/non of god is TOO massive for my mind, and I’m fine with that. If you say god exists as simply ‘energy’, if that is in fact how you take it, so be it.

BUT the fact still remains that god’s existence is still NOT PROVEN. You have proven physics, dynamics, science, perception and great intelligence….No god though….

I love you right back brother…Always will… ;-)

And yes I’ll say it again, ANY black person who believes in the bible is in fact uneducated on their history….There is no way a conscious black person can also take the word of the bible as bond…Intelligence and religion can not co-exist unless one or the other isn’t ‘real’…..

I’ve been very hesitant to post on this but…………I don’t believe in evolution nor the big bang theory. I know there for a fact that Yahweh does exist. Like javion707 spoke about his many occasions. There are times that I could have just given up on life but I didn’t. I prayed many a days that Yahweh would show me a different route to get out of what was ailing me. He did. He got me out of a marriage that didn’t work. He has seen me through to raise both of my daughters while going to school full time and working part time. I know for a fact that it’s Him working in my corner and NOBODY else. I REFUSE to believe all of this nonsense. Everything happens for a reason. The things that we have done years ago has bought us to the point that we are now. If if wasn’t for me being in an abusive marriage I would not be the woman I am today. I am a strong black woman because of that. I had to go through that to realize that type of relationship was not for me. Yahweh knows what He is doing. Everything we go through is a test. I’ve never doubted Him for anything. If I’m feeling down I go and pray to Him for guidance. That is why the world is in so much chaos now. Nobody is asking Him for guidance. He said ask and ye shall receive. Pray to Him and He will guide you through. We are all of His children whether you believe it or not. He breathes life into us each and everyday. He is good and I can testify to that.

@AfricanSpeech,

=Great post!!!!! (As always)

=ANY black person that don’t believe in GOD is uneducated to the ways of true omnipotent-power. If I had omnipotent power and I was spurned by my chosen (black) people (like the fools on here now) I would turn them over to the ‘worst heathens on the Earth’……*wait*……yeah HE did that.

=He is GOD and HE doesn’t need to prove His existence to NO ONE. I don’t prove myself to anyone so you fools want a being with omnipotent power at His disposal to ‘prove’ something to you??!!! I see why the world is jacked up.

=Okay, here’s your science, intelligence, and religion all rolled into one:

1) The Earth is the only planet in the entire universe that can sustain life.

2) The atmosphere is the perfect balance of carbon monoxide and oxygen.

3) EVERY animal on this Earth has a natural enemy that keeps everything in balance.

4) EVERY plant also has a natural enemy that keeps it balanced.

5) The human body is the most complex thing to figure out. The emotions, brain, heart, bones, and everything in-between. Man STILL hasn’t figured out how the human body works fully. Never will.

6) EVERY animal and plant has a copy. Example: you have a crocodile and its copy an alligator.

7) I personally have seen God move in my life

8) The sun is the right position…not too close and not too far. How did that happen? Luck Chance? No.

GOD(Elohim) is all and all is Him. Only a fool wouldn’t look around and see HIS stamp on everything. I mean EVERYTHING.

Bvince, “If I had omnipotent power and I was spurned by my chosen (black) people (like the fools on here now) I would turn them over to the ‘worst heathens on the Earth’……*wait*……yeah HE did that.”

WHOA! So you’re saying ‘god’ was spurned by the african, therefore he turned them over to slavery for 400 years huh???

*CRICKETS!!!*

I’m not perfect, and the last thing I will ever do is tell anyone how to worship, or what to believe in….”Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” That’s my life’s motto. If you believe in the almighty c**kroach and give sacrifices of bacon bits and bread crumbs…..(huh??!!)….uh, dat’s kool wit me!!… Diversity in thought is more powerful that nuclear weapons, because ideas move nations, motivate people and can change the world. Religion(s) forbid diverse thinking and inquiries against the norms and traditions. That’s why I don’t “believe” in a religion. “Belief” means being fully convicted with all evidence shown beyond a shadow of a doubt. In actuality, there are a few things that we all can say that we absolutely “believe” in. Believe in or non-belief of God’s existence is a choice. There’s no one going around the world these days, putting guns to people’s heads and “making” them believe in God. They are using other more subliminal, subconscious methods…(sssshhhh!!!…religion is one of them!…ssshhh!)….

@infinite_question….Bro: you make some valid points!!!…

I’ll make this brief… because so many people know the bible to be “borrowed” or “stolen” information that means it has an original source. if the original source “Kemet” holds true, then although names were altered, the principles hold the same weight.

Bible quotes were used since it’s the most popularof all the books, I was simply showing how easy it is too see that the word “God” means power, which is energy.

The End.

Stan_Vinyl, Of course you are a very intelligent man….I can see how YOU can see it that way…Now introduce that line of thinking to the other 99% of the masses that think ‘god’ is going to strike everyone down because they don’t go to church….

Still love you….;-)

Creationism is bullshiite just like making up these other mystical powers of God is. The concept of ‘God’ is bullshiite to control the weak, and all of the good books want you to also believe that these figures they promote, don’t even ever come from the womb/puzzy, and hell not even through sex between humans. These figures are born from a rib, or come out the sky or other bullshiite that can’t HUMANLY be possible, and idiots just say GOD did it. Come on now, really, Mary just had a baby out of nowhere, with God to create Jesus, then you don’t read anything about the guy until he’s in his 30s? That hoe got knocked up from fecking and didn’t want people to know she was a hoe, as we know humans do! If you take the Bible for the work of fiction that it is, it’s crackpot writing, at its best. It’s Fox News stories, for the stone ages.
Science isn’t perfect, they make up stuff too, but it doesn’t prey on the stupid and willfully ignorant, unlike the Bible does. The bible is just more stage writing with illogical plots and twists, and since it, nor its followers can explain or make sense of things, like all bad story telling, people following faith throw a Deus Ex Machina bomb on you for EVERYTHING inexplicable to them. The creation of the universe??? {insert your God here} made it.

Didn’t think of it that way… Love you too! :-D

I cant believe what Im reading on here!! first of all steven hawking is out of his mind, have the odasity to say GOD (jesus) did not speak everything (universe) into existance. if the LIVING GOD did not speak everything that was made THEN WHO DID?? I know there are crooked bibles out there that is no excuse. the purpose for the BIBLE is to show man of HIS!!! ways (actions) is not righteous (good) according to the CREATOR (GOD) and by him JESUS freely!!!! dieing for remission of your stupid ways (SINS) we can have a relationship with GOD simple as that. if GOD dont exist and sustain everything someone PLZ!!! explain to me how are we breathing and living each day?? who gave your parents life to bare you into existance. I say unto you if anyone dont believe in GOD THE FATHER,SON AN HOLY SPIRIT is a fool, uneducated moron. just becuz steven hawking announce there is no GOD and cant prove he dont exist dont mean everyone on this board becomes blinded FAITH is the main key word people!!!!! FAITH is what moses,abraham,isaac,jacob up to the promise deliverer come. that same FAITH you shall know the lord thy GOD in these hard present times. I cant believe you guys think we live an died with no hope of a better life . is that what college education teach you to doubt the LIVING GOD?? I rather be uneducated with wisdom of the alpha an omega (begining and the end) than this crapola you guys talking about.I myself witness GODS action personally 5 times in my life ONLY!!! GOD could have made away out of no way.besides when all hell break lose in your life who is there to protect you or help you?? momma nope, dad nope, brother,sister nope cop nope……who do you call out in stressful situation??? JESUS!!!!!!! not momma but jesus so he must be real.

There is no place for God in theories on the creation of the Universe, Professor Stephen Hawking has said.

He had previously argued belief in a creator was not incompatible with science but in a new book, he concludes the Big Bang was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics

IS THIS THE BEST EDUCATION CAN DO?? only deny GOD EXISTENCE
lets break it down quickly THE SO CALL BIG BANG THEORY
with your imagination : ok a big boom!!!! energy and rocks, asteroids flying in all directions
ok thats plausible…but,but wait!!!!where did all this enormous Bang come from???a unknown source had to create that… but it dont explain human existance, how we became man and woman how did we become LIVING CREATIONS it dont explain how we came from apes during course of time (if that was true) it dont explain what happen to our so call monkey tail, and what cause our fur to just drop off our body and how our skull structure is not like ape still. it also dont explain how our solar system line up as it is from the sun. again the theory dont explain how and why the sun is the center of our solar system. it also dont explain how air,water,tree’s,grass,animals came into existence. the MAIN thing the BIG BANG THEORY cant provide is the begining of LIFE where did it come from why was it created??? since the big bang theory can NOT produce evidence of life it is void, un-useful imagination by wheel chair man only to try to prove there is no GOD what sad little man.
so since GOD do exist he was the big shout that made everything exist. now that seem more plausible than steven hawking dreams.

from odoggz

Come on now, really, Mary just had a baby out of nowhere, with God to create Jesus, then you don’t read anything about the guy until he’s in his 30s?

my dear friend the word was always with GOD becuz he is GOD the word was with GOD before the begining of time its self. he did not suddenly pop up out of mary womb as you say the flesh part of him yes but spirit of jesus himself no!!!! and the reason u dont hear about jesus til he’s 30 becuz GOD wanted us to know about salvation not how many toddlers he played with or how many kid friends he had or teenage buddies he had fooling around with. is ANY of that serious important to know about GOD?? only reason they left the time he was 12 becuz he taught not learn but taught the pharisee about the word of GOD imagine a 12 year old teaching u what you should know being a man of GOD

O.k who made up the concept of night and day? Who created EVERY living/dead form from primates to mammals? who created the bodies of water/ the trees, rocks. mountains, seasons? Man/woman didn’t do it, and sure as hell he didn;’t or I…..I’m not a religious fanatic, but I DO believe in God, and the Prof thinks he know so much, he needs to work for the National Enquirer…..

wow @oodoggz is a fvcking idiot, someone has a G.E.D lmao. I know all about stephen hawkins, ill admit he’s a brilliant mind, but it just goes to show you, that you can be a genius and a dolt at the same time. Way to go Stephen Hawkins maybe thats why you’re in the situation you’re in now, cause you’re not a believer.

Let’s look at it this way:

=Darwin’s Theory of evolution says that black people come from monkeys. I believe VERY much in science BUT that’s where I draw the line. I will not be called a monkey but white people are not???!! How can black people be monkeys and every other race is not??!!

>Think people<

@CaliFemme23, "And yes I’ll say it again, ANY black person who believes in the bible is in fact uneducated on their history"

=The Mayans, Kemets, Egyptians, Aztecs, American Indians and other blacks through out history saw something. We have the cave drawings to prove some higher power is out there. Not only did they draw they made statutes too. Cali, they saw and know something they didn't just make that stuff up. They ALL couldn't have been 'uneducated'….no way.

@Stan Vinyl I am now reading a book on Kamitic Success by Ra Un Nefer Amen. I also have the 42 principles of Ma’at on my desktop as soon as I turn it on that’s the first things I see. Many people would be surprised to know that the biblical Ten Commandments were contained within the 42 principles(at least I noticed that when I read them). Again people can go on and on about the existence of God. If you choose to have a belief system that doesn’t match someone else’s then that’s your choice. Leave people to believe what they want, that’s not your concern, live your own life.

What is pissing me off is that science hasn’t been able to focus on solving human conditions like loneliness, greed, anger, lust, envy, hatred, racism, unemployment, sickness, etc and they are busy trying to figure out the universe?

It’s a big joke…

If science can’t come up with a cure for the common cold, what really is it good for?

In this day and age, people are poor, homeless, starving, ignorant, bitter, angry, broke, unemployed, depressed, etc and all the science hasn’t eliminated any of these problems…

At the end of the day, when you die, the universe is still gonna be there for billions of years so better focus on what’s important…

@african speech
now thats scientiffic proof all that you said. they should be working on a solution instead of trying to DENY GOD EXISTENCE.

at the end of the day hawking cant prove he dont exist
for all others GOD was that so call BIG BANG an it happen by his spoken word ( LET THERE BE) AND IT HAPPEN.

@ African Speech ( and this other person “thedaythelordsaved”)…

I’m in the process of typing a long response to all of the “believers” on this forum, but I just had to post a response to your last statement….

The fact that you said “science is a joke” is laughable itself, but the REASONS you listed for your disdain of science just takes the cake!!

I’m wondering if you even understand what science is…

It’s basically a system or practice of acquring detailed, verifiable knowledge and information about various things, through a scientific process of analysis and experimentation.

Of course, science incorporates theories also, (which is a smaller, yet important part of science)…but those theories are developed under intense scrutiny and calculation, and they are never given any credence without an abundance of information to support those theories. (Furthermore, the MAJORITY of science involves tangible things and empirical data, not just theories.)

Example: the concept of “gravity” is a theory. Gravity can’t been seen or touched, but scienctists have been able to develop calculations of gravity so precise that we have exact formulas to determine the gravitational pull of any object from an apple to a planet, based on it’s mass, and we also have an exact formula for acceleration due to gravity, i.e. the rate at which an object falls. This information also allows humans to operate flying vehicles like planes and helicoptors. (Of course, the theory of gravity varies on other planets and in different areas of space, but that just exemplifies how complex science is. But the equations we have for gravity on Earth are extremely precise.)

Now, you and these other believers can foolishly proclaim that science “is a joke” if you want to, but you’d be a fool to jump off a 1,000 ft. cliff and ignore the equation of acceleration due to gravity, thinking you have an hour to pull your parachute chord before you hit the ground!!! I bet science won’t be so funny then.

You can say science “is a joke” and clean your bathroom with a mixture of ammonia and bleach if you want to, but after a few minutes, I guarantee science won’t be so funny then.

You can say science “is a joke” and gulp down a bunch of aspirin with a glass of whiskey if you want to, but when you never wake up, I guarantee science won’t be so funny then.

You can say science “is a joke” and try to blow dry your hair in the shower if you want to, but when you get electrocuted, I guarantee science won’t be so funny then.

You can say science “is a joke” and share a needle or have unprotected sex with and H.I.V. patient if you want, but when you die of AIDS, I guarantee science won’t be so funny then.

Need I continue???…. There are literally millions….MILLIONS of examples oh how science has given us valuable information and tools to understand our world around us and to make our lives easier. It’s the reason your azz is on the internet right now!!! Of course, science has also given us horrible things like atomic weapons, but that doesn’t change the fact that science is incredibly powerful. It’s how human beings choose to use the power of science that makes a difference.

As for your list of things that you feel science hasn’t “solved”, your perspective on these matters is terribly warped.

What exactly do you mean when you say science hasn’t “solved” loneliness and these other human emotions? Do you think science is supposed to magically eliminate an emotion that is a very part of human nature??

For one, given that “loneliness” in each individual is usually caused by different reasons, the “solution”, as you put it, could vary greatly, and it might not have to involve science at all!! Maybe a person experiencing “loneliness” just needs to do something as simple as making new friends!!!

Is the “solution” you want similar to how Prozac can help depression, or how having a drink or some other drug can lighten you up, or some sort of electro-shock therapy??? If so, then that IS science !!! Now, maybe the scientific properites of those things won’t necessarily “cure” loneliness for good, but why would you reject the WHOLE of science as “a joke” because it hasn’t yet developed such a thing, and why would you want to have that anyway?!? I’m sure your intentions are good, but you are being unrealistic for deeming science as “a joke” for not being able to change the VERY NATURE OF HUMAN BEINGS!! In fact, those things may very well be made possible by science in the future (or not), but just because it doesn’t exist isn’t a reason to reject the COUNTLESS examples of the power of science!!

The same logic applies to those other human emotions you listed from greed, anger, bitterness, lust, envy, hatred, and racism. Almost all of those are just part of our nature as human beings and the cause of those can be different in every person, so your expectation that science is supposed to invent a magic solution for each of those emotions is just silly!! Again, the remedy for all of those, depending on the person feeling the emotion, may not even require a scientific solution, just a common sense one!!!

As for sickness, it’s laughable that someone has to even explain this to you. I dare you to hold a straight face and thoroughly examine the vast history of human illnessess and remedies IN IT’S ENTIRITY, and say that science “is a joke”….

Of course, we haven’t found a scientific answer for every single thing, but you’re a complete fool if you just mock and trivialize the great scientific and medical advances that mankind has made in relation to health. From operations, organ transplants, to blood transfusions, advanced methods of healing broken bones and severe injuries like gun shot wounds, to anesthesia, to penicillin and other vaccines (not that all drugs are good, but there are some very good ones), and all the medical technology you see in an average hospital…Need I continue???…

The fact that we don’t have a scientific answer for everything IS NOT an indictment of science itself, it only proves that we as humans have not yet uncovered the scientific truths that already exist. Furthermore, the western practice of drug prescription and post-treatment as opposed to prevention is an indictment of the bureacrats controlling hospitals, drug companies and governments, NOT SCIENCE ITSELF!!

As for unemployment, poverty and hunger, again, there are all sorts of answers that science can give us. It’s just that we as humans have yet to incorporate that science into something productive for society. For example, it is scientifically possible to create brand new economies and jobs based on green technology like solar power and wind energy, and it is scientifically possible to create a sustainable infrastructure of efficient agriculture in barren, desert lands based on advanced irrigation and farming technology that ALREADY exists.

We as human beings have the resources and the scientific technology to do ALL of those things, the problem is that the resources and technolgy is controlled by a small minority whose top priority is their own prosperity, and they would rather invest billions of dollars in wars, the oil industry, and fattening the pockets of their share holders instead of helping the masses of struggling people around the globe.

This has nothing to do with science, it’s about what humans will or will not DO with science.

And for that person “thedaythelordsaved” :

First off, I suggest you read the beginning of Genesis again….SLOWLY, CAREFULLY AND OBJECTIVELY…. and examine the laughable inconsistencies of how it “claims” the universe was formed.

A 10 yr old can read those first few passages and see how blatantly ignorant and inconsistent the chronolgical order of events are in the bible’s account of the so-called “creation”!! Furthermore, the bible claims that the Earth is only a few thousand years old, when that has been SCIENTIFICALLY and EMPIRICALLY been proven to be FALSE!!

Have you ever heard of diamonds, or dinosaurs, or fossil fuels, or petrified artifacts, or carbon dating???? Or the MILLIONS of light years that separate the BILLIONS of stars and galaxies in the universe??? I know the concept of MILLIONS and BILLIONS of years hurts your little brain, but if you study something real like science you should start to feel better…

Secondly, it’s obvious to me that you aren’t very bright, not just because your method of thinking and typing is remedial AT BEST, but because you posted a list of things that you think the “Big Bang Theory” alone should explain, from how life forms and evolves, from how we evolved from “apes”, as you put it, and how “our fur and tails just dropped off”, and how the sun is at the center of the solar system, blah, blah, blah…

The problem is that you don’t understand that all of those things you listed involves SEVERAL DIFFERENT theories and processes, NOT just the Big Bang Theory!!

Unfortuneately for you, no one can force you to learn about information that you should have learned in high school.

But I suggest you stop wasting so much time learning about fairy tales and go read a real fukkin book with empirical information. Until then, you should shut the fukk up about science until you know what you’re talking about!!

…to be continued…

@ self_ali

dude, I see explaining GOD existence pissed you off. no need to cuse at someone u dont know. if you believe in science alright with me but the day you die and your soul stand before alpha and omega you have no one to blame but yourself!!! I guarantee scientific ideals wont save your soul from GODS judgement of not believing in him. you can try to belittle me all you want I really dont CARE!!!!!!!
but the fact remain the same GOD is GOD he created EVERYTHING!!! not hawking scientific ideal claiming GOD dont exist and did not create the universe. I hate a educated FOOL!!! sound more dumbmer than a retarded fool.
tell me this self_ali
where do the soul of man go after death??? you must have a scientific answer??? i’ll bet a million dollars you dont know but just for fun plz!! answer that dumb question.
since the bible is a lie and there is NO!!!! GOD and GOD did not create anything becuz he dont exist. let me guess the corner just crack us open like a crab steal our organs sell those to highest medical clinic bid, drop us in a wooden box and whats left of us decay in that box becuz there is no salvation according to you. once again self_ali WHERE DO OUR SOUL GO??
in case you dont know what a living soul is it is part of GOD living spirit a part of GOD is in each an everyone of us. we dont own this soul, cant rent it. it belong to GOD haaaaa if you take GOD out of the equation there is no!!!!! universe, no life as we know it.
hear is something simple even your brian can handle about life. wanna see GOD look out your window on a busy day if you see anything in motion oops that might be to hard for you to comprehend anything that is moving outside of automobile is GOD giving life !!!!
if this PISS you off I know GOD is reaching out to you and the spirit of satan in you is angry

HELLELUJAH!!!!! glory to GOD!!

Im not on here to attack anyone but, those of you who dont go to church and dont believe in the only GOD who created heaven and earth I will defend my lord and savior with all my heart all my mind and all my soul!!
this so call creation (professor hawking) who was created by GOD denies he exist??? saying the father did not create the universe. thats like saying you created C3po or R2D2 and they turn around and say uh-no you did’nt I created myself haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
so do the creator dont exist becuz the creation say so?????
what self_ali fail to realize
WITHOUT GOD CREATING MAN FIRST!!!! there would be no scientific any thing!!!! boy!!!

@ yuself_ali
your just a 28 year old kid and you call yourself “joseph the great”?? using a hebrew name and your believing in scientific crap??? now I see why you responded like you did. your mind is program into the system of lies!!! unplug your mind boy and be born again into christ jesus he is the truth and the light of man.
Im done with you.

@thedaytheLordsaved— I agree with you 150% As a believer, one thing that I was always taught is that you cannot debate the bible. To quote things from the bible to an athiest is like speaking in an unkown language that will not be grasped untill its learned. Yes, God created the universe. I don’t have to go to the BIble and prove anything. God has a way of showing up and showing out when He is ready to show you who is GOD. For everything to stay in its place as far as the universe and the solar system, what scientific element is keeping everything from clashing into and causing havoc among the planets? Have they put a name to it? Can they? What Scientific element keeps the sun burnining hot enough to heat up the earth, but not destroy it?
Now as far as saying how God lets people suffer. Jesus was born and lived a sinners life. He went through trials and he also suffured when he was cruxified. He knows the trials and tribulations that we have to go through. So many people had gone through being mistreated, ridiculed, talked about and hurt in all kinds of ways. Jesus was mistreated and talked about, and He is the Son of God. what do you think you will go through? You are only promised so many years on earth, and during those years, you will have trouble. So why go adding trouble on the ones you are subjected to have. People ministries lies through their effiction. How are you going to show and let me know that there is a better way if you have not gone through what I have. For example; for someone who is suffering financial hardship, how can you tell me how to get out of my situation when you have not been there. For someone suffering over being raped or molested. How can you tell me about how I feel and what can I do unless you know the feelings. Although people go through, God is the only deliver that can get you out supernaturally.
What gets me the most is that scientist can only opperate on a natural level. They have to figure out is how it can be so. God operates on a supernatural level. what people see in the natural, God works in the supernatural. How can anyone try to compare natural to Supernatural. Everyone that is trying is wasting their time.

The big bang theory is a bit far fetched in my book. The reason why I say this is because the big bang is the equivalent of a hurricane going through a scrap yard and assembling a fully functional car. Now if you look at this planet, its the perfect distance from the sun to harbor life, the moon is the perfect distance to control the tides of the seas. Accidents don’t do that, only a plan will.

Am I a religious person? No. Do I believe in a Higher Power? Yes. I’m not religious because of the simple fact that the Most High didn’t not create religion, man did and I’m not putting my faith in man. I believe in the Higher Power because when I look at the living creatures on this planet, I see creation not science.

We do need science to an extent but science can’t answer all questions just like the bible can’t. Science is basically trying to find answers that’s not in the bible. Since science can’t find answers and the bible can’t provided them, what else can we do? Its nothing we can do but live and die, and when we die, that’s when we’ll get all the answers.

aman sister!! when we die all will see who’s behind all this sure will not be steven hawking theory haaaaaaaaaaa

what the f**k man… dont you all have inboxes like me… nobody gives a f**k about these long drawn out post you have send that s**t to the person you talking to so the rest of us can keep this s**t moving f**k!!

LaFemmeSatin… Not sure where you were going with that, but if it’s about letting people live their own life, why are you trying to correct me?

And why point out the Kemetic system (whose ultimate goal is perfect unity with nature and all mankind) and you dealings in it… Freedom of speech is how this one plays out.

Like I said on my earlier post, if I said something out of line, PROVE ME WRONG.

@sef_ali…

You must work for FOX News…

Only someone who is very good at distortion can twist someone’s words like you just did…

You are a very deceitful and malicious to have twisted my words like that because you just wanted to set up for a rant…

Shame on you…

If you can’t comprehend what someone is saying, you can’t be that objective or logical, talkless of being a scientific person… The fact that you just made a huge leap from what I said to what you think I said and built up a false premise around that to frame your diatribe is nothing short of befuddling…

It’s so funny that we have armchair scientists trying to tell some of us that ACTUALLY WORK as scientists that we don’t know what we are talking about, LOL…

Let me make it clear for the armchair scientists and science hobbyists…

SCIENCE IS A PROCESS… NOT A CONCLUSION…

Science has no place telling people how to live or what they should believe in and THAT IS THE POINT!!

I bet that some of you armchair scientists smoke or engage in some other destructive habit despite science research and experiments showing you the consequences of such detrimental behaviour and yet, you wanna convince other folks about what science says, LOL…

THE POINT AGAIN IS THAT SCIENCE CAN ONLY HELP YOU ALONG THE WAY TO DIFFERENT PATHS BUT IT IS NOT MEANT TO TELL YOU ABSOLUTELY WHERE TO GO

So, for scientists trying to prove or dispove the existence of a creator or looking for evidence to support or refute such existence or lack thereof is BEYOND THE REMIT OF SCIENCE…

Everyone in this world disregards scientific facts, common sense, reason and logic when it suits them or goes against their emotions or how they feel at that time so come on now…

Just remember, HUMANS ARE NOT RATIONAL OR LOGICAL BEINGS…

PRIMAL CONDITIONS PREDICATE IRRATIONALITY AS A SURVIVAL MECHANISM…

thedaythlordsaved, “I guarantee scientific ideals wont save your soul from GODS judgement of not believing in him.”

What the hell is up with people being afraid of what happens after you are already dead? I think it is INSANE to live your entire life based on principles or rules written by greedy ass white men over the ages, JUST to be ‘happy’ in an afterlife???? Have none of you ‘believers’ ever stopped to think about WHY god was even introduced to us? Do you see the CONTROL the THOUGHT, (yes thought!), of god has over you? I say thought because NONE of you know that the presence is even among us. You can speak all day about energy, bible verses and supposed souls being fed and saved, but still, NOT ONE OF YOU even knows that ‘he’ exists. All of what you say is based on occurences in life that couldn’t be explained any other way. How lame is that to NOT be comfortable enough within YOURSELVES to live your own life without leaning on the myth of a forever ‘spaceman’?

sef_ali, GREAT POST! I might have to share your post with some other people I know….

LOL @odoggz I do wondey why on earth was this posted on NEWSZERO? I guess they had to switch it up a bit.

Editor: Hey (NEWSONE WRITER) do you have any interesting new stories to post/

Writer: Uhm we have 6 Montana Fishburne stories ready to go, 2 stories about Kim Kardasiahn, 20 more black entertainers stories, 3 stories about interracial dating/marriage 1 story about some black student, 1 homosexual story and 14 stories that cover The president, Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Oh I just got this story on Stephen HAwking and religion.

Editor: Post that HAwking story asap. Black folks are very religious so we shall get a great response out of that.

Writer: YES SIR!

@Stan Vinyl where are you getting that I’m trying to correct you? The end of my comment was a reinstatement of the first comment that I posted about others judging people based on what they believe or don’t believe. I’ve made two posts here and pretty much the first one speaks for itself. I don’t have a problem with your opinions. Be blessed.

@ CALI cant believe your not on my side??????? we had many adventures on here before
but not as “the day th lord saved” my old name you know it cant reveal it so these stalking women cant find me….. but-anyway

from cali
Have none of you ‘believers’ ever stopped to think about WHY god was even introduced to us? Do you see the CONTROL the THOUGHT, (yes thought!), of god has over you? I say thought because NONE of you know that the presence is even among us. You can speak all day about energy, bible verses and supposed souls being fed and saved, but still, NOT ONE OF YOU even knows that ‘he’ exists.

my answer,
I believe GOD was introduced to give all races hope and freedom from bondage either physical,emotional. and if GOD IS controling our THOUGHTS for doing good at a price by his commandment then so be it. i rather have life his way than doing carnal things of the flesh.
you say none of us know that the presence of GOD is among us… I stop right there.. becuz you have reveal you never been born again by saying that much….. if you were truely born again in christ jesus you would know the presence of GOD …I for one felt his anointing presence!!!!!! to express his presence is difficult if you never expereince it. but here go from my !!!! expereince : GODS presence is like RAGING FIRE consuming your mind cleasening all sinful thoughts out of your heart mind an soul at once!!!!! at the sametime your body full of heat burn like wheat from the chaff just like the word said… or shall I say quicken you know its GODS presence becuz ONLY thing can come out of your mouth is THANK YOU JESUS at a speed of MACHINE GUN BULLETS flying out…

CALI our souls are fed just like our stomach are see our bodies need food to servive
same as that body need food so do the soul need living water (word) out side the living water you die (become carnal minded) you begin dis-believe GOD act in your way of thinking hate, lieing, stealing,judging , cant comprehend what is said so you add your own interpretation,people get mad and piss-off all that is carnal minded but when your living in LIVING WATER sin is dead becuz our mind,heart,soul is clean from sin as long as we stay in the LIVING WATER which is (JESUS)
your last statement say NONE OF US EVEN KNOW GOD EVEN EXIST
now im going to direct this all unbeleivers
WHAT PROOF IF ANY you have that GOD DONT!!!!!!! EXIST???????

my proof is he raised me from my personal sins. revealed himself in visions , i felt my soul lefted up out of my body and i seen the beauty of the glory of GOD after seeing a body shape LIVING FIRE reach out his hands towards me for myself I BELIEVE!!!!!! GOD IS SOOOOOOOO REAL. nothing none of you can ever say change me from what I seen in my vision.

Hey, money is used to control people but I don’t see anyone on here not working and slaving away for it…

Black people still work and kill each other for pieces of paper with dead, white men who used to own them as slaves…

Go figure…

Don’t be fooled folks… The only effective organized religion is that of MONEY…

Remove MONEY from the equation and you will see the truth…

Money sure as hell did not create the universe but humans believe in money more than they will ever care about how the universe was created or who created it was…

Think about that folks…

@ African Speech

Number one, I don’t work for Fox News. I agree that they are very good at distorting truth and twisting words, BUT I DID NOTHING OF THE SORT!!

I was neither being “deceitful” or “malicious”, and I challenge you to show me how I was!!

Simply proclaiming that I was “distorting” what you said, does NOT mean I did!! It seems like you’re just unwilling to admit that YOU made some dumb comments, and an intelligent person called you on your bullsh*t POINT FOR POINT!!!

You can miss me with the “shame on you” bullsh*t like I’m a fukkin school kid or something!!

Why don’t you show some balls and debate POINT FOR POINT, how you claim I “distorted” what you said?!?

I comprehended EVERYTHING you said, and I did NOT make any “leap” whatsoever!!! EVERYTHING I said was a DIRECT rebuttal to what YOU said!!

Here are YOUR words that I responded to, and I quote:

“What is pissing me off is that science hasn’t been able to focus on solving human conditions like loneliness, greed, anger, lust, envy, hatred, racism, unemployment, sickness, etc and they are busy trying to figure out the universe?

It’s a big joke…

If science can’t come up with a cure for the common cold, what really is it good for?
In this day and age, people are poor, homeless, starving, ignorant, bitter, angry, broke, unemployed, depressed, etc and all the science hasn’t eliminated any of these problems…”

Again, EVERYTHING I said was in direct response to the NONSENSE you posted in that dumb azz comment, and I CHALLENGE YOU, to quote ANY part of what I wrote that supposedly “distorted” what you said!!!

Furthermore, for those other comments you posted, I’m not sure who you were referring to as an “armchair scientist” or a “science hobbyist”, but I assure you, that bullsh*t label doesn’t apply to me!!

You have absolutely NO idea what my background is in science, and if you are one of the people that “ACTUALLY WORK as scientists”, as you put it, what would be “befuddling” is how a real “scientist” would post that absolute nonsense and disdain for science, like you exhibited in the passage that I quoted above.

Furthermore, your statement that “SCIENCE IS A PROCESS…NOT A CONCLUSION” is not completely valid. There are many processes IN science, yes, but the MAIN PURPOSE of the scientific process is PRECISELY to form CONCLUSIONS, which it has done on COUNTLESS occasions.

The major steps in the scientific process are hypothesis, experiment, and CONCLUSION.

Almost every invention of technology, medicine, chemical materials, etc, are CONCLUSIONS that resulted from the scientific process.

And science ITSELF has NEVER told people how they should live or what they should believe!! Science is NOT a person that talks, and has opinions or beliefs!! On the contrary, it is RELIGIOUS TEXTS AND PEOPLE that have told people how they should live or what they should believe, often under the threat of death and torture!!

Science simply provides information and tools to people.

And the fact that people engage in destructive habits in spite of the scientific research that shows the negative consequences of such behavior DOES NOT make the scientific information any LESS VALID!! It just means that human beings will do what we want, EVEN if it’s scientifically proven to be dangerous and stupid!!

Nobody said “science is meant to tell you absolutely where to go”!!
It’s up to human’s to decide for ourselves.

But, again, IGNORING science does not make it FALSE or LESS VALID. Like I said before, you can choose to ignore the science of gravity, and jump off a cliff if you want to, but the science STILL remains true that you will fall to your death!!!

As for scientists trying to prove or disprove the existence of a creator, that remains to be seen. What science CAN do, is prove or disprove RELIGIOUS CLAIMS, especially those that were fabricated in antiquity out of ignorance about subjects that we NOW have SCIENTIFIC, PROVABLE answers to.

And lastly, human beings can be BOTH rational/logical beings….AND….irrational/illogical beings!!

Yes, primal and primitive conditions predicate irrationality as a survival mechanism, but for the most part, we NO LONGER live in primal and primitive conditions, so therefore we don’t need the same irrationality to survive.

The problem with religious people is that they are unwilling to ADMIT that they’re views are primitive, irrational and false!! They want to pretend as if what they believe is actually REAL, and historically have had the nerve to kill people and try to control the world BASED ON THAT IRRATIONALITY!!!

@ that dude “thedaythelordsaved”:

I’m still in the process of typing a LONG response to all the nonsense you spew on here. It’s just takes a while to THOROUGHLY explain so many concepts to someone as clueless as you.

The funny part is that I read EVERY argument you typed, and it’s the same, tired nonsense that I’ve heard for years, and it’s laughable how oblivious you are to your own stupidity!!

But, hang tough, dude, I’m gonna break down every one of your foolish beliefs with PRECISE LOGIC, POINT FOR POINT…

…Oh yeah, thank you CaliFemme23! I’m glad you agreed with my post…It’s good to see at least a couple of people on here with some sort of intellect…

@sef_ali…

You are so dumb and foolish that you don’t see how you are actually confirming the points I made…

Hey, you can break your hand patting yourself on the back by ranting for all I care but if you can’t comprehend multi-layered statements on a level of 2, you must be really dumb or just trying to save face…

You should sue for damages from whatever educational institution or unit where you “learned” because you obviously have no comprehension skills and are as ignorant, arrogant and blind as the religious extremists you see under your bed every night…

@sef_ali…

Yes, you are really dumb…

SCIENCE IS A PROCESS, from which PEOPLE DRAW CONCLUSIONS!!!!

IT IS NOT A CONCLUSION, DUMBASS…

thedaythlordsaved, ummm WOW! Where do I start….

u said: “I believe GOD was introduced to give all races hope and freedom from bondage either physical,emotional”

He was introduced to give races ‘hope and freedom from bondage’….This one is simple really. As soon as I read that line, I thought of those hundreds of thousands of slaves, our ancestors, that spent 400+ years believing god would save them. In all honesty and reality, god did NOTHING to prevent slavery nor ‘free’ anyone. AND if god is so almighty and such a great presence, why would he even have allowed such a travesty to take place? I had another brother on here tell me that the slaves DESERVED what they got. Don’t tell me you believe that too.

Who NEEDS god’s presence to live life respectably? I live everyday NOT believing in god and I’m doing just fine. Once again, I refuse to believe in a MYTH, just so I can live my death peacefully??? That’s a WEAKNESS babe, a crutch provided, if you will, for people to in fact ‘let go and let god’….And what’s the big deal about carnal thoughts? Aren’t we HUMAN, and if you believe god created us all, then he damn sure gave us the hormones, instincts and ability to indulge in the flesh didn’t he?

u said: “you begin dis-believe GOD act in your way of thinking hate, lieing, stealing,judging , cant comprehend what is said so you add your own interpretation”

Ahhhh but isn’t that the way of religion? interpretation? Just like YOU have indeed processed it to mean what YOU think it means? How can you, a black man, take the very same teachings, ‘word’ that was used AGAINST your people for so long and take it to your heart? Christianity is NOT the black man’s religion. Blacks were originally a CULTURAL people until christianity was FORCED upon us by those beasts, (whites..same thing). Every word of the bible stresses NOT thinking for yourself, and do you know why? Because the PEOPLE, the MEN that created the bible wanted CONTROL. Whether willingly, by force, death, torture, ENSLAVEMENT etc…That is why the most religious period in history was dubbed THE DARK AGES….There was no individuality, singular thought processing or self reliance.

“WHAT PROOF IF ANY you have that GOD DONT!!!!!!! EXIST???????”

That is my point EXACTLY! I have absolutely no proof that he doesn’t exist and i’m FINE with that. I have no intention of going door to door forcing people to believe it, standing on street corners with a ‘megaphone’ preaching at people, nor telling ANYONE that they are going to hell or will be punished as religious people do. You know those NON judgemental, loving people??? Once again, I refuse to live in FEAR of something I have never seen, felt nor heard. If you think god is real, so be it. But I honestly, vehemently believe that had none of us ever heard of god or been introduced to the myth, we would STILL be living life as we do regardless. The difference between you and I is, I was never and will never be AFRAID to do just that.

sef_ali, GREAT posts!

Let me make it clear again…

A PROCESS IS ONGOING… SCIENCE UNDERGOES CONTINOUS RE-EVALUTION, IMPROVEMENT AND REFINEMENT…

A CONCLUSION MARKS THE END OF SOMETHING…

IN THE PAST AND EVEN NOW, SOME PEOPLE USE(D) “SCIENCE” TO CONCLUDE THAT BLACKS AND NON-WHITE PEOPLE WERE LESS INTELLIGENT AND USED THAT TO DO A LOT OF TERRIBLE THINGS JUST LIKE SOME RELIGIOUS FOLKS DID…

I am gonna give an example, ancient indigenous tribes used to build drums out of trial and error until they developed the proven methods to build the best drums…

Then European scientists came along and deemed these people as primitive because they didn’t “laboraties” or interpreted things like Europeans and set about to develop the science of drum making and guess what? The end result did not produce much improvement or any at all compared with the method of the ancient tribes…

Scientific research produced DDT, used in pesticides and were heavily used, resulting in the present pollution and tainting of all fish, water, air and plant life on this planet… Then more research was done which caused the banning of DDT…

Scientific research produced CFCs used in propellants for spray cans, freons for refrigerators and such and then FURTHER scientific research showed that those things were harmful to the Ozone layer and they were discontinued…

Thus, SCIENCE IS AN ONGOING PROCESS… It IS MEANT TO GIVE independent/abstract/objective results, which have to be interpreted BY PEOPLE (who are not independent/abstract or objective).

Do many of you know that a lot of peer reviewed and published papers in popular journals and papers have been debunked, refuted or contradicted by new research but still remain in circulation and even practiced in parts of industry and the commercial world?

Do you know that the acceptance of nonconventional and original scientific ideas depends on which school of thought you belong to and the amount of social/academic/financial/research influence that school of thought has?

Do you know that a new study has now shown that a lot of DNA findings are based on the subjective interpretation of the analyst at best?

The whole point of this is that objective scientific interpretation is very rare and is not news-worthy by the media, which tends to mis-interprete and misreport a lot of scientific findings… A lot of things (like objectivity) get lost in translation, transmission and dissemination…

AfricanSpeech, Ya know, it’s hurting my little black feelings that WE aren’t on the same ‘team’ with this one….

Just wanted to express that….*sigh*

wow…
a crippled man thinks God didn’t create the universe… how is he proving this? I don’t think he realize God created science, as well as him, so i really pity him when Judgement day comes, as wll as Oprah, and for any one else who thinks that God either doesn’t exist, goes by any other name, or just think that they can be saved w/o His Son Jesus. Mr. hawking needs the Lord, and i just hope he understands that before it’s too late.

for self_ali and cali

DOSE GOD EXIST A SCIENTIFIC EXAMINATION OF EVIDENCE
from scientist !!!! own words

Causation. God provides the best explanation for the existence of the universe and all that’s in it. (The alternative theory is that “nothing” exploded and resulted in everything that we see.)
Order. God provides the best explanation for abstract notions such as numbers, mathematical formulae, chemical-based processes, and natural laws. (The alternative theory is that the chaotic first elements ordered themselves into complex information systems.)
Design. God provides the best explanation for the absolute complexity inherent in cosmological, stellar, planetary, chemical and biological systems. (The alternative theory is that random chance engineered apparent design.)
Encoded Instructions. God provides the best explanation for the digital DNA code contained in and controlling the functions of all life on earth. (The alternative theory is that complex code, such as binary code running computers, can pop into existence without any kind of programming, testing and debugging process.)
Irreducible Complexity. God provides the best explanation for fully functioning biological organisms, systems, and subsystems that couldn’t come about through gradual evolutionary process without totally ceasing to exist at lower, evolutionary levels. (The alternative theory is that biological systems took huge, unseen leaps from simple to complex without any guided process or forward-looking instructions.)
Duality. God provides the best explanation for the separate human functions of brain and conscience (matter and mind). (The alternative theory is monism — only matter exists and the human brain only appears to have a separate subconscious ability.)
Morality. God provides the best explanation for the existence of love, emotion, altruism, and inherent moral/ethical values throughout the world. (The alternative theory is that unguided materialistic processes evolve higher human consciousness.)

WHICH IS GOD!! BEHIND ALL THIS AS I SAID BEFORE NOTHING HAS BEEN MADE WITHOUT GOD INVOLVED!!!!!!!! the bible do say do not argue with none believers for GOD said their thoughts are FOOLISHNESS TO HIM and GODS existence is foolishness to them.
this should shut your yapper
good job african speech and deno6877

@ self_ali or youself_ali whatever you call yourself
like african speech said your DUMB!!!! REALLY DUMB!!!! GET INTO THE KNOWLEGE OF GOD BROTHER !!! BEFORE ITS TO LATE ONCE YOU DIE WHENEVER THAT DAY BE YOU SHALL SEE WE WERE RIGHT!!
and if you dont believe your so-call brothers of science proof then your sadly lost.
i end my rant on here i’ve made my proof by your own so-call scientific level and on FAITH in the word of GOD so im done.
it was fun while it lasted.
P.S.
keep the faith african speech but dont be temped to continue with self_ali he just lonely need someone to prove he’s right haaaaaaa

im outta here!!!

LAST BUT NOT LEASE

Proof of God – Nature
So where’s the proof of God’s existence? In accordance with our familiar axiom and in light of the tremendous advances we’ve made in molecular biology, biochemistry, genetics and information theory, the proof of God is all around us!

When we apply the general principles of detecting specified complexity to biologic systems (living creatures), we find it reasonable to infer the presence intelligent design. Take, for example, the bacterial flagellum’s stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It is not convenient that we’ve given these parts these names – that’s truly their function. If you were to find a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, or propeller in any vehicle, machine, toy or model, you would recognize them as the product of an intelligent source.

Furthermore, the E. coli bacterial flagellum simply could not have evolved gradually over time. The bacterial flagellum is an “irreducibly complex” system. An irreducibly complex system is one composed of multiple parts, all of which are necessary for the system to function. If you remove any one part, the entire system will fail to function. Every individual part is integral. There is absolutely no naturalistic, gradual, evolutionary explanation for the bacterial flagellum. (Michael Behe, Darwin’s Black Box, 1996.)

The bacterial flagellum (not to mention the irreducibly complex molecular machines responsible for the flagellum’s assembly) is just one example of the specified complexity that pervades the microscopic biological world. Molecular biologist Michael Denton wrote, “Although the tiniest bacterial cells are incredibly small, weighing less than 10-12 grams, each is in effect a veritable micro-miniaturized factory containing thousands of exquisitely designed pieces of intricate molecular machinery, made up altogether of one hundred thousand million atoms, far more complicated than any machinery built by man and absolutely without parallel in the non-living world.” (Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, 1986, p. 250.)

Proof of God – His Fingerprints are Everywhere
Where is the proof of God? If we’re willing to open our eyes, we’ll see the fingerprints of God all around us and all throughout us. Our very existence proves the existence of a Creator God.

Learn More Now! self_ali

need i say more??

God is nothing more than a superstition. The universe is caused by natural forces that are completely indifferent to human well-being.

The universe doesn’t care if humanity lives or dies (we can very well go extinct the same way dinosaurs did). When there is a earth quake, people pull babies and women from the rubble. Not god, or angels. People

So the lesson is that people should work to care for each other. No one else will.

@ African Speech

Number one, calling me “dumb” and “foolish” is a childs way of avoiding a debate.

You know DAMN WELL I just intellectually ripped your argument to shreds, but instead of ADMITTING it, or engaging in the debate to at least ATTEMPT to prove your case, POINT FOR POINT, you resort to name calling, and misinterpreting what I said and making even MORE stupid comments. (And I don’t mind name calling, just have something intelligent to say to JUSTIFY whatever name you call me. Otherwise, you may as well go argue with a lil boy in the school yard.)

Dude, unlike you, I’m not afraid to go POINT FOR POINT, and I’ll prove it AGAIN by showing how your last post was ALSO flawed, with QUOTES AND LOGIC:

PAY ATTENTION:

You said: “…you don’t see how you are actually confirming the points I made…”

The first point that I partially, and PURPOSELY, agreed with you on was this, and I quote (myself):

-(ME)……”your statement that “SCIENCE IS A PROCESS…NOT A CONCLUSION” is not completely valid….’

Notice how I said your statement is not COMPLETELY valid. Meaning, I AGREE with it to a CERTAIN EXTENT, but it is INCOMPLETE.

Here’s one of my previous quotes where I defined science, PROVING that I SOMEWHAT AGREE with your statement, even before you posted that statement:

-(ME)….”It’s basically a system or practice of acquring detailed, verifiable knowledge and information about various things, through a scientific process of analysis and experimentation.”

That was BEFORE you said ““SCIENCE IS A PROCESS…NOT A CONCLUSION”.

Now here’s the ENTIRITY of how I responded to that statement:

-(ME)….”…your statement that “SCIENCE IS A PROCESS…NOT A CONCLUSION” is not completely valid. There are many processes IN science, yes, but the MAIN PURPOSE of the scientific process is PRECISELY to form CONCLUSIONS, which it has done on COUNTLESS occasions.

The major steps in the scientific process are hypothesis, experiment, and CONCLUSION.

Almost every invention of technology, medicine, chemical materials, etc, are CONCLUSIONS that resulted from the scientific process.”

Are you following so far???….OK, then you said this DUMB s**t, in response to my above comment:

“Yes, you are really dumb…
SCIENCE IS A PROCESS, from which PEOPLE DRAW CONCLUSIONS!!!!
IT IS NOT A CONCLUSION, DUMBASS…”

Now you show me where in my above comment I said “science IS a conclusion”……….(*crickets)

Exactly!!! Because I DIDN’T say that, YOU FUKKIN DUMBASS!!!

I said science is used to FORM conclusions, that conclusions are a MAJOR STEP “IN” the scientific PROCESS, and that INVENTIONS are conclusions that RESULTED from the scientific PROCESS!!

Point, ME….

Now, there were a few other points that I PARTIALLY and PURPOSELY agreed with you on, but I expanded on those points where your rationale was just a little off, and I was 100% accurate on each oneof those corrections/additions I made. I challenge you to SHOW me how I was wrong, rather than proclaiming it…

Now, back to the PREVIOUS point I challenged you on about how “science hasn’t solved this and that” and “what is it really good for if it can’t” blah, blah, blah…I PROVED POINT FOR POINT THAT BULLSH*T WAS 100% STUPID, AND ALL YOU DID WAS “CLAIM I TWISTED YOUR WORDS”, blah, blah, blah…WHEN YOU KNOW DAMN WELL I SIMPLY RIPPED YOUR ARGUMENT TO SHREDS, BUT YOU JUST DON’T WANT TO ADMIT IT!!!

If you claim I “distorted your words”, QUOTE ME WORD FOR WORD AND SHOW ME HOW I DID!!!!……(don’t worry, I’ll wait…….)

As for your last post about science being an on going process, again, I already agreed with that point. The fact that people have made mistakes working with science like DDT and CFC’s, etc, IS NOT an indictment of science, but like you said (i.e., I AGREE) it is the interpretation of PEOPLE USING scinece that is sometimes flawed.

The very nature of human error and the scientific process of experimentational trial and error almost GUARANTEES that mistakes will occur, that is an OBVIOUS GIVEN. I for, one certainly did not say otherwise.

What I HAVE said is that religious peoples disdain for, and downright RIDICULE of scientific work as “mostly unreliable junk” is downright stupidity, considering the totalityof scientific knowledge we have acc**ulated and put to use in society just in the past 100 years.

When religious people automatically have a negative attitude towards science because they feel it somehow “threatens” their faith (which has infinitely LESS proof of that in science), then they actually end up impeding scientific progress.

Like your comment about DNA. You only had something negative to say about it’s validity due to some recent study, yet not ONE WORD on how incredible of an achievment we have made to actually map a genome down to the thousands upon thousands of intrical parts, and how we can localize how certain genes affect certain conditions or parts of the body to the point where we can grow transplant organs in a lab or cure serious ailments,etc,stc….

My point is, yes, science requires some skepticism, but how about giving credit where credit is due, especially in the face of so much scientific evidence. And conversely, how about ramping up the skepticism on religion that it’s blind followers feel requires NO proof, yet it’s given all the credit, despite how OFTEN it has historically proven to be WRONG(just one example, the Church’s persecution of Galileo for saying the earth revolved around the sun, not vice versa.)

@ thedaythelordmade

You continue to post sh*t that you THINK proves your case, and for every dumb argument you COPY and PASTE from “creationist” scientists (all of which I’ve heard and debunked years ago in high school), I’m typing damn near a page long response for each one. You’re almost as bad as creationists who waste millions of dollars on huge museums with dumb robtic exhibits trying to convince people that dinosaurs and humans lived side by side like “The Flintstones”…SMH.. You have NO clue how foolish you are, and you call ME dumb?!?! LOL

The problem is, I fear my finished post will be FAR too long and intricate for you to comprehend, and you and most other people will get lazy and not even bother reading it.

However, I’m hoping you stay tuned, because I DEFINITELY want to prove how WRONG you are.

But if you keep on with the filibuster bullsh*t, I’ll know you fear my response, and by the time I finish, this page will be dead.. So kick back, get some pop corn, and prepare to learn something for a change…

BlkStr313, Great post…

@ self_ali

Im done, GOD said its over and im done . it was good while it last

I didn’t read none of the crap that yall have posted bcuz I know this is a heated debate and it has been for generations and ppl have their beliefs or what not. But I personally know that a God exist and I truly believe in something higher than myself. I don’t believe in all this scientific theology bullcrap. God is science. Science is nature. Nature is God. Point…blank…period. I could go on and on about what the bible teaches, but I think I summed it up. God is in control and has control over everyone and everything that is good and positive. The evil and negative only exist bcuz the Creator allowed it to be. But I believe in the bible, I’ve had Jehovah God reveal His prescence to me in more ways than one. So whatever!

It’s obvious since Stephan Hawkings is a respected physicist that someone has been in his ear… For one, I had a brief talk with Stephan in a yahoo private chat he agreed that the universe had to be the creation of some kind of intelligent creator. For one no physicist of any walk can reproduce the big bang to exclude any evidence of an intervening intelligence, indeed that would take an observer who intends to experiment for a ( reason ) spontaneous creation does not exclude intelligence as being the primary cause of universal phenomenon… This is a very weak view since all experiments to prove or disprove will have to include an intelligent being for whatever subject.

Western thinkers are way too c**ky with theories that only show life in a limited scope being that no scientist can show evidence that they have been through the whole universe and know about every planet and star in the universe and all of it’s elemental components…

Spontaneous creation would have to include a pre-existing intelligence if not, the quality of being what can intend or grow in intelligence would be non-existent and could never develop into forming complex phenomenon. Like yields like, or a similarity to what is fashion after a creator… computers cannot exist spontaneously no more than the difference between primates and felines…

This is an old weak immature argument that should be put to rest, I’m sure that there is some atheist influence behind this new idealism of Hawkings. When some people become old they are taken advantage of by others… and that is a dayum shame…!

The problem with scientist on the subject of a God or god’s and whatever else one would care to call it… is that, scientist try to prove universal causation by studying the behavior of elements on a micro level as well as a macro level. But this does not determine what is behind the make up of elements since we know that elements are made up of different ratio combination’s of atomic nuclei… The difference between carbon and nitrogen is the difference in atomic encoding of electrons, protons and neutrons… No scientist can prove how such a miraculous phenomenon could ever occur without it being a created concept for a desired purpose. This can easily be assessed with the viewing of a brick building being made by human’s using bricks and bricks being a further make up of something lesser. Through out the process, intelligence is involved in the construction of building complex formation… No miracle is involved in this, just math, science, and art… and the manipulation of energy…

It takes energy to create an energy influx in view of gravity, for those theorist who now believe it to be at the helm of everything… Spontaneous creation would represent being a part of a well designed autonomous procession of different interacting energy dimensions… If one considers the nature of how light travels through the universe it would be easy to come to this conclusion without the elephant having to be in the room to direct you on every single thing that is… There is more than enough evidence to show the conclusion of an intelligent causer or causer’s…

Western scientist spend too much time theorizing using fantasy idea’s rather than doing the math… Math shows the existence of a Creator(s)… Math cannot be created only realized by what is… Science conceptualizes creation and art is the experience of it…

To sum it up… gravity exist on different planets and stars at different qualities it is what must be in place along with electro-magnetism to whole elements together. This is a natural phenomenon of how different elements are used constructively by design, not by a miracle of particle conditions…

Existence could never come from non-existence, existence can only in TRUTH be seen as intelligent awareness… Intelligence cannot be defined exclusively by human interpretation… Most human’s do to the condition of being a human will always think like human’s whether the influence is through realization to inspire new ways of thinking or purely abstract in thought…

In my opinion, I never seen any evidence of a Universe God caring about human religions… just as scientist do not possess any authority over Universal causation… Science that is used to control others for one’s own selfish worth is nothing more than the ghost in the machine… give up the ghost already… awaken individuals can care less about non-cohesive scientific jargon…

I will give Stephan Hawking the benefit of the doubt and will assume that he may be under the influence of other physicist who are probably atheist… There is nothing wrong with being an Atheist, but there is something wrong with coercing others to agree with your views about existence…

Math is ABSOLUTE…! Science is created…

LMBO@CaliFemme…

Sis, we can’t agree on everything… That’s part of being human… Otherwise we would be a Borg Collective with one mind, LOL…

See, the problem here is that each side of this issue have already made up their minds (like Democrats and Republicans) and will pick anything an independent says to bolster their position.

If I say something that the believer fundamentalists like, they will use it and discard the rest of what I said… If I say something that the unbeliever fundamentalists like, they will use it and discard the rest of what I said…

It’s human nature…

The problem is humanity… Every other concept is an abstraction and is just that, a concept but humans are the ones that subjectify it…

If you always start an argument with the mindset that you are right and everyone else who thinks otherwise is completely wrong, then why the debate? You definitely will not be able to convince each other of anything, even there is a truth to that side… That is the dangerous aspect I am trying to point out here but the fundamentalists don’t want to hear that so…

@sef_ali…

You were not saying anything in your last post and again, showing how dumb you are,

IF YOU DISAGREE THAT SCIENCE IS NOT A CONCLUSION, THEN YOUR POSITION IS COUNTER TO MINE… OTHERWISE YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME… You can’t wiggle out of your erroneous statement when I catch you out in a lie…

Using your binary way of thinking, by disagreeing with what I said, YOU DID IMPLY THAT SCIENCE IS A CONCLUSION, OTHERWISE IT WAS STUPID TO WRITE THAT LONG TOME TO TELL ME THAT YOU AGREED WITH THAT STATEMENT…

Stop with your rigmarole bullshyt… It’s either one or the other…

SCIENCE IS EITHER A CONCLUSION OR IS NOT… TAKE DAMN SIDE, Flip flopper…

@sef_ali…

You were not saying anything in your last post and again, showing how dumb you are,

IF YOU DISAGREE THAT SCIENCE IS NOT A CONCLUSION, THEN YOUR POSITION IS COUNTER TO MINE… OTHERWISE YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME… You can’t wiggle out of your erroneous statement when I catch you out in a lie…

Using your binary way of thinking, by disagreeing with what I said, YOU DID IMPLY THAT SCIENCE IS A CONCLUSION, OTHERWISE IT WAS STUPID TO WRITE THAT LONG TOME TO TELL ME THAT YOU AGREED WITH THAT STATEMENT…

Stop with your rigmarole bullshyt… It’s either one or the other…

SCIENCE IS EITHER A CONCLUSION OR IS NOT… TAKE a DAMN SIDE, Flip flopper…

As for arguing with my points…

THOSE POINTS CAME FROM CONCLUSIONS DRAWN FROM SCIENTIFIC STUDIES SO IF YOU DON’T LIKE THEM, TAKE THEM UP WITH THE SCIENTISTS WHO DID THEM!!!

You are not the only one who can pick and choose what they want to portray…

Stephen Hawing says it, so IT MUST be true, notice the blatant sarcasm.

@ African Speech

Let me make it easy for you, which I should’ve done, had I known you were so slow. Because what you call “binary thinking”, “flip-flopping” and “having it both ways” just simply shows your poor comprehension skills…AGAIN.(And you keep calling ME dumb, but you have YET to prove ANYTHING I said as flawed, and you KEEP DODGING THE FIRST TOPIC I ROASTED YOU ON!!!).

You said:……”IF YOU DISAGREE THAT SCIENCE IS NOT A CONCLUSION, THEN YOUR POSITION IS COUNTER TO MINE…OTHERWISE YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME.”

THAT IS FALSE!!!

How many times do I have to say I PARTIALLY disagreed with that statement?!?!? That does NOT mean my position is ABSOLUTELY counter to yours, NOR does is mean I’m ABSOLUTELY agreeing with you!!!

1.)When you said “SCIENCE IS A PROCESS, NOT A CONCLUSION”, I PARTIALLY agreed with that, because science is NOT a conclusion……IN IT’S ENTIRITY!!

Nor did I EVER say it was, yet you made that statement as if I did!!

2.)And the reason why I said your statement was only PARTIALLY valid, is because while science ITSELF is not a conclusion, in it’s entirity, CONCLUSIONS ARE A PART OF SCIENCE!!

EXAMPLE: All of the information on the periodic table of elements are CONCLUSIONS made from the scientific process. And those bits of information (i.e. CONCLUSIONS) are a PART of science!!

If you were studying the periodic table of elements, and someone said “what subject are you studying?” and you repiled, “I’m studying science”, that would NOT be an incorrect response!!

Here is a more detailed definition of science, which I SHOULD have included when I typed that incomplete definition in my VERY FIRST POST: (NOTE: while it was incomplete, NO part of it was wrong)

*SCIENCE- refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on scientific method, and to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research.

Again…….”THE ORGANIZED BODY OF KNOWLEDGE GAINED THROUGH SUCH RESEARCH” ….i.e. “CONCLUSIONS”!!!

Meaning “CONCLUSIONS” are a PART of science, which is what I have been trying to explain to you!!

Here’s another definition of science, which I SHOULD have included:

*SCIENCE- department of systematized knowledge as an object of study (i.e., the science of chemistry or physics).

The problem is, you want to relegate the concept of “science” as ONLY a process, and that is an INCOMPLETE description of science!!!

Science is not ONLY a process!! It is an umbrella, that is also commonly known as a SUBJECT, that INCLUDES processes, experiments, AND CONCLUSIONS!!!

Which is why I said the follwing when I FIRST responded to your statement that “SCIENCE IS NOT A CONCLUSION”…

“….(yes but) The major steps in the scientific process are hypothesis, experiment, and CONCLUSION.”

Meaning, “CONCLUSIONS” are a MAJOR STEP, or PART, of science!!

But you wanna KEEP saying DUMB SH*T like:

“SCIENCE IS EITHER A CONCLUSION OR IS NOT… TAKE a DAMN SIDE, Flip flopper…”

SMH….you fukkin dummy…

And when you said I argued with your other “points that are conclusions drawn from scientific studies, so if I don’t like them, take it up with the scientists”….what points SPECIFICALLY are you talking about???

The stuff about DDT, CFC’s or a new study on DNA??

Because if those are the “points” you claim I “disagree” with, you are wrong again!!

In my VERY FIRST POST, before you said ANY of that, I said:

“Of course, science has also given us horrible things like atomic weapons, but that doesn’t change the fact that science is incredibly powerful. It’s how human beings choose to use the power of science that makes a difference.”

Obviously, I already understood that the outcomes of mankind’s work with science is NOT always good, and I understand that certain outcomes aren’t always written in stone!!

The problem is, you want to paint MOST of the scientific information that humans have acc**ulated as “unreliable guess work” that varies depending on the interpreter, implying that MOST of what we know about science is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE AND UNRELIABLE!!!

And that is simply an inaccurate assessment of science, AS A WHOLE!!!

Yes, scientists disagree and have differing interpretations, and yes ideas are always improved upon or revised within science, and yes, many times scientists make mistakes. The very nature of the scientific process is a realization of that fact, which is why hypotheses and theories are constanlty studied, tested and experimented on, and which is why scientists do not proclaim anything to be INFLEXIBLE DOGMA as religion does!!

Given the history of the development of science, of how Newton added to/or revised what Galileo offered, and how Einstein added to/or revised what Newton offered, it is science 101 to EVERY person even SLIGHTLY knowledgable of science, that it is EVER-EXPANDING!!

HOWEVER, it is absolutely disingenuous to portray the MAJORITY of scientfic information as purely subjective non-sense produced by “clueless, bumbling fools”, and over-exaggerate the bumps in the road of science that are not only EXPECTED, but actually REVEAL the progress of discovery that is in many cases just a minor calculation, or variable off track from what is otherwise a brilliant acc**ulation work and knowledge responsible for the NEW information ITSELF!!

Yes, of course there are mistakes that happen like DDT,CFC’s, or atomic weapons, (and many times, those are not a product of ignorance, but of the CONCEALMENT of the truth for ulterior reasons).

But in the instance of DNA, first off, I’m wondering if you’re referring to DNA results in criminal or legal cases, as opposed to what we know about the structure and function of DNA in biological processes. Because as it refers to the latter, there is extensive, detailed knowledge that is used in practical medical solutions, even though ALL the answers haven’t been uncovered. And even if there’s a discovery of new information on DNA structure and function, that does NOT mean that EVERYTHING previously studied is “junk”!! On the contrary, it is only a revision or acc**ulation of a brilliant, incredible discovery that CONTINUES to be expanded on!!

The same can be said about the VOLUMES upon VOLUMES of other verifiable, extremely useful scientific knowledge that has been discovered by human beings and productively used in our lives.

And if those other points you say I “don’t like, but are scientific conclusions”, is the stuff about “how people always diregard science, despite the science research”, or how “humans are irrational, illogical beings, and primal conditions predicate irrationality as a survival mechanism”, quote me VERBATIM and SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBE how my comments about those statements were wrong in any way…

Now…back to the original topic you continue to DODGE, about how “it’s a joke how science can’t solve” blah, blah, blah, and “what is science really good for if it can’t solve” blah, blah, blah…are you gonna continue to be a COWARD a DODGE how I ripped that dumb sh*t to shreds, or will you be a MAN and either ADMIT you were wrong, or EXPLAIN IN DETAIL how I supposedly “distorted and twisted your words”???

I see that STUPID COWARD named “thedaythelordsaved” copped out in fear of my rebuttal, EVEN THOUGH I’M STILL GONNA RIP HIS SH*T UP TOO!!!! Are you gonna tuck tail and run too, “African Speech”???

@ optimo_

I’m not sure if you care or not, but I’m gonna post a long response on this topic with some different ideas. I just think it’s important to note real quick that the premise of your argument, that skeptics of intelligent design are proposing that “spontaneous creation” creates existence from non-existence, is inaccurate.

Most opponents, (or at least skeptics) of intelligent design maintain the fundAmental law of the conservation of matter; that matter can not be created or destroyed. Meaning basically, that matter and energy have ALWAYS existed, but it just changes forms, and the expansion of it from a singular point from what is called the “Big Bang” isn’t matter and energy being CREATED, but perhaps coming from somewhere else in an eternal linear or cyclical chain (considering how LITTLE we know about quantum physics, string theory, black holes, alternate dimensions and uni/multi-verses, etc). Of course, believers say “well, that matter and energy IS “god”, and I’ll address that later, but there still remains the more relevant debate of “holy texts” and the claims of “souls and the afterlife” and the respective implications of those claims…just a thought for now…

@sef_ali…

Make it easy on yourself cos if you can’t write concisely and logically, I am not going to waste my time reading your rubbish

Stop writing like a ranting and raving religious fanatic…

Make your points in a concise, precise, scientific format and get straight to the point…

If you can’t do that, don’t bother…

look, self_ali
i gave my point of view of GOD it is written and im done.
calling me names wont change NOTHING!! GOD still exist if u believe or not he’s STILL GOD!!
just remember when ur in trouble your SOUL will call out to GOD!!! you will not call out mama,teacher,daddy but JESUS!!!!
im done!!!!!

@self_ali
U write these long stupid PARAGRAPHS trying to seem ur educated haaaa yeah right, by you trying to belittle my GODLY intelligent you make it seem your smater but GOD is not about intellect. knowing more words dont make you intelligent using wisdom make you intelligent DUMMY!!! besides you cant rationalize GOD dont exist no matter what you say boi!!! without GOD ur dumb foolish uneducated self would not be here DO’H
I have to agree with AFRICAN SPEECH
your DUMB admit it boy!! A DUMB 28 YEAR OLD KID that know jack!!!! have not experience nothing in life yet what have u learn in 28 years of life??? how to sound STUPID??? publicly??
i’ll give you A-STAR on that.

@ self_ali
when you learn wisdom come back and chat with me and gone thru somethings then you come back and chat with me man to man life will give you more wisdom.
til then you sound like a young dang FOOL beliving white man ways of thinking HAAAAAAAAAAA
let me see if you use scientific knowledge to help you when a racist cop beat you down boi!! for being a neggro. what will you do or say when a white man call you a n****r? will science help you then???
how do you handle life problems?? there is no scientific theory in that BOI!!!
as i said, until you learn wisdom DONT come at me . questioning my intelligent until you experience what i have, to know GOD is REAL. and his word is TRUE!!! other than that i still stand with my previous answer YOUR DUMB!!!! get over it!! your just plainly IGNORANT!! face the FACTS YOUR DUMB!!!
this my last posting on here.
say what you will behind my back IT IS FINISH IT IS WRITTEN

THELORDSAVED!!!!!

oh, yea that blank out word is n.i.g.g.e.r

FROM OPTIMO

It’s obvious since Stephan Hawkings is a respected physicist that someone has been in his ear… For one, “I had a brief talk” with “Stephan HAWKING” in a yahoo private chat “he agreed that the universe had to be the creation of some kind of intelligent creator.” For one “no physicist” of any walk can “reproduce the big bang” to “exclude” any evidence of an “intervening” (devine) intelligence, indeed that would take an observer who intends to experiment for a ( reason ) “spontaneous creation” does not exclude intelligence as being the primary cause of universal phenomenon… This is a very weak view since all experiments to prove or disprove will have to include an intelligent being (SUPER NATURAL BEING his name is JESUS!!!) i added the rest to fill in
ENOUGH SAID!!!!!

mseveeve, you don’t really know god exists, you are just not aware of your life and surroundings. Based on your comments, it sounds like you have ALL the answers only for yourself, not humanity. So conclusion, you don’t have faith. Sorry.

There’s a man in the sky watching you have sex. If you do it wrong he’s going to throw you into a burning pit of fire to be tortured forever. Because he loves you.

Ok this post is old but Im just getting to it. First let me say, that I definitely am not fooled or buy into the Europeanized version of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, ect. Secondly I know most of the tales we’ve been told are just plagiarized retelling of ancient Kemetic(Egypt) stories and knowledge. With that being said I do believe in a Higher Power as well as a Messiah(whom I think has been sent numerous times, because we humans just don’t get it and are hardheaded as f…..)

But my question to the atheist, and trust I got love fa ya’ll(Cali where ya at sista ;-) but my question is; if there is no higher power, heaven, ect. then what happens when and after you die???? Because we can debate all day long till da cows come home whether there is a GOD, Creator, Higher Being or not; but the ONE thing we all know that is a FACT, WE ALL WILL DIE ONE DAY!!!! So whats you’re answer or explanation for that?????????????

saying you’re not going to believe in Jesus, trust in Him, follow Him b/c some evil people are the ones that preached it. they werent following Jesus themselves so He must be some made up fantasy story to get us to submit and stay subdued, oppressed, and stepped on by the evil white powerful people. that’s what im understanding from everything i read

to that and to my black folks here, i say it’s about that time. talk is cheap right? you can only go off promises and talk for so long before you’re looking for action. everybody knows that and God knows that. the prophesied end strike is due to happen very soon. right after the gospel has been preached throughout the globe to be exact. let’s watch and see how this all plays out. we know a whole bunch of mess has to go down before the world ends so that time would be now- BEFORE the nuclear holocaust happens is another way to look at it.

im putting my bets on the LORD’s side b/c I’m wise. nobody else has demonstrated perfection and wisdom that is timeless in application to all of our lives, neither have they offered to save you while providing a demonstration of complete love and devotion for your black azzes

i see self_ali wont show him self now days??

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