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Martha Minow, dean of Harvard Law School,  has released a statement in response to the controversy that erupted yesterday when a student’s email discussing “the possibility that African Americans are, on average, genetically predisposed to be less intelligent.” Here’s an excerpt from Minow’s statement:

“Here at Harvard Law School, we are committed to preventing degradation of any individual or group, including race-based insensitivity or hostility. The particular comment in question unfortunately resonates with old and hurtful misconceptions. As an educational institution, we are especially dedicated to exposing to the light of inquiry false views about individuals or groups. [...] This sad and unfortunate incident prompts both reflection and reassertion of important community principles and ideals. We seek to encourage freedom of expression, but freedom of speech should be accompanied by responsibility. This is a community dedicated to intellectual pursuit and social justice. The circulation of one student’s comment does not reflect the views of the school or the overwhelming majority of the members of this community.”

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The student who sent the email, Stephanie Grace (pictured above), is currently a third-year at Harvard Law School. She has since emailed an apology to the Black Law Students Association, saying: “I am deeply sorry for the pain caused by my email. I never intended to cause any harm, and I am heartbroken and devastated by the harm that has ensued. I would give anything to take it back. I emphatically do not believe that African Americans are genetically inferior in any way. I understand why my words expressing even a doubt in that regard were and are offensive. I would be grateful to have an opportunity to share my thoughts and to apologize to you in person. Even beforehand, I want to extend an apology to you and to anyone else who has been hurt by my actions.”

Do you think Grace’s apology is sincere? Do you still think she should lose her job? Tell us your opinion in the comments!

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[4/28/2010, 3:50 p.m.] – Harvard Law Student’s Racist Email Gains National Exposure

A student at Harvard Law School recently sent an email suggesting that Black Americans are genetically predisposed to inferior intelligence, and it’s been made public.

The missive first found its way into onto the email list of the Harvard’s Black Law Students Association, and was eventually forwarded to similar student groups at law schools across the country. Here’s what it said:

“I absolutely do not rule out the possibility that African Americans are, on average, genetically predisposed to be less intelligent. I could also obviously be convinced that by controlling for the right variables, we would see that they are, in fact, as intelligent as white people under the same circumstances. The fact is, some things are genetic. African Americans tend to have darker skin. Irish people are more likely to have red hair. (Now on to the more controversial:) Women tend to perform less well in math due at least in part to prenatal levels of testosterone, which also account for variations in mathematics performance within genders. This suggests to me that some part of intelligence is genetic, just like identical twins raised apart tend to have very similar IQs and just like I think my babies will be geniuses and beautiful individuals whether I raise them or give them to an orphanage in Nigeria. I don’t think it is that controversial of an opinion to say I think it is at least possible that African Americans are less intelligent on a genetic level, and I didn’t mean to shy away from that opinion at dinner.

I also don’t think that there are no cultural differences or that cultural differences are not likely the most important sources of disparate test scores (statistically, the measurable ones like income do account for some raw differences). I would just like some scientific data to disprove the genetic position, and it is often hard given difficult to quantify cultural aspects. One example (courtesy of Randall Kennedy) is that some people, based on crime statistics, might think African Americans are genetically more likely to be violent, since income and other statistics cannot close the racial gap. In the slavery era, however, the stereotype was of a docile, childlike, African American, and they were, in fact, responsible for very little violence (which was why the handful of rebellions seriously shook white people up). Obviously group wide rates of violence could not fluctuate so dramatically in ten generations if the cause was genetic, and so although there are no quantifiable data currently available to “explain” away the racial discrepancy in violent crimes, it must be some nongenetic cultural shift. Of course, there are pro-genetic counterarguments, but if we assume we can control for all variables in the given time periods, the form of the argument is compelling.

In conclusion, I think it is bad science to disagree with a conclusion in your heart, and then try (unsuccessfully, so far at least) to find data that will confirm what you want to be true. Everyone wants someone to take 100 white infants and 100 African American ones and raise them in Disney utopia and prove once and for all that we are all equal on every dimension, or at least the really important ones like intelligence. I am merely not 100% convinced that this is the case.

Please don’t pull a Larry Summers on me,
[Name redacted]”

When sending out the email, a member of the Harvard BLSA stated: “The author of the email will be clerking on the 9th Circuit next year, is a member of the Harvard Law Review, [Federalist Society], and is a graduate of Princeton. I am saddened that a current HLS student holds such antagonistic and archaic views about our people and that the potential impact of her ignorance is only strengthened by her prestigious affiliations and credentials.”

The campus controversy has since been covered in the national media, including the Huffington Post, Jezebel, and Above the Law. What do you think, NewsOne readers: Should the author of the original email lose her job over this? Sound off in the comments!

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/more4les/ more4les

    The thing that he so unwilling seem to leave out is if his hpotohis had any creedance based on facts and historical accomplishments in the sciences , , math , liturature , music , sports his thory falls apart . If his race sat down and told the truth about world history they will plainly see that thier accomplishments that were noted were actually distortion of the truth in were the centers of education first started , empires that existed in peace for centuries , even this american history of who was credited for landing in america first and even sayinr prior to 1812 blacks and whites were free and equally in indentured servitude, and also fighting for both the north and south …his social darwinism theroy never held any weight and this american still continues to hold the truth …i always said that if you control a group of peoples history , you can manipulate thier future by pushing untruths to keep a race of peopel down and thinks about world history we will never hear of accoplishments in every form by ehtnic backround like for instance hispanics can they trace thier history and the impact that they had on thier race , just like asian …we mostly hear about eropian and african history in snipits but shading the truth ……and the truth will set us all free

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Oriedo/ Oriedo

    This is a funny article blog foreal.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/nursing_student7/ nursing_student7

    ignorance at its best…i dont think she deserves to lose her job over her opinion though, no matter how ridiculous it is

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/chicago_he/ chicago_he

    I like the part where she says her kids will STILL BE GENIUSES even if she gave them to an orphanage in NIGERIA….LOL.

    This really cracked me up, and I nearly fell out of my chair. The reason being that I am a NIGERIAN and spent half my life growing up in Lagos (3rd largest city in the world by 2012).

    Let me tell you about my experience with white kids growing up in Nigeria.

    This racist trick sure did mention the wrong damn country in her email:

    The Americans had an embassy in Lagos, and they had to open their own school for their kids. We the Nigerians couldn’t understand why they wanted their own school, but we assumed since America was this so called “great” country they must have been teaching the Americans kids something special.

    It turns out that the reason they didn’t want them to go to Nigerian schools in Lagos is because they realized these whites kids couldn’t compete back home. These kids where some of the dumbest children you ever seen in your life.

    You see, it turns out that Nigerians start taking calculus in the 9th grade. Also, we also start taking molecular biology and advanced chemistry in the 10th grade back home in lagos. That is just the nature of our schooling system.

    When I moved to America I was 15 yrs old and was ready for college. The average Nigerian finishes high school at 14/15 yrs. They had to hold me back one year, and they sent me back to high school all over again. I later found out two things:

    1.) America has the worst high school educational system on the planet.

    2.) The white kids living in Nigeria where the dumbest kids ever. And the reason they opened their own American school in Lagos was simply bcuz they knew they could not compete on the curricular level of the Nigerians.

    I later found out that the American govt tried to integrate their kids into Nigerian high schools in the early 60′s. but these kids kept failing every class bcuz calculus, chemistry, and Biology where college classes, but the Nigerians where already taking these classes in high school. So they decided to open their own “special” school in Lagos.

    Every morning I would see them being shuttled to their school acting all exclusive. They where just bunch of dummies.

    I challenge this silly lady any day of the week to my testimony. And I will even go on record on any news media to prove that from 1970 – 1985 white American kids living in Lagos (Nigeria) could not compete on any educational level with Nigerians.

    I will also add that the only reason she got into Harvard was bcuz of the color of her skin, and not her mind. I will find 50 African with better records that got denied on her behalf.

    Biatch!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    Hmmmm, Im not touching this one…I’ll wait for the intellectuals to come and discount this blather, the bleeding hearts to come in for mediation and balance, and I’ll wait for the house niggrahs to come in and defend the white girl…
    Should be a good one….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    And I dont think the email was racist..Just sounded like standard white person’s thoughts and opinions regarding black people…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/donslayer1/ donslayer1

    WOW!! SOME PPL THINK THEY HAVE SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY HAVE BECOME IGNORANT! READ THE BIBLE, GOD SAID “THE WISEST MAN WHO EVER WAS OF MANKIND WAS SOLOMON, SON OF DAVID”. AND YES, THE TRUE ISRAELITES OF THE OLD TESTAMENT WERE AND ARE STILL BLACK. GET YOUR MIND RIGHT BECAUSE IT’S ON THE LEFT!!

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/yepthatsme/ yepthatsme

    lmao@”ppl think they have so much knowledge that they have become ignorant…read the bible”. reading the bible is why most people are stupid as shyt as it is.

    lol all you need is a frontal lobe to know this ditz is off her rocker. genetics can affect intelligence, but to make a biological statement purely based on cultural and environmental factors (which is all she can draw from at this point) is just stupid. to prove something like this, you would have to hold all variables constant and of course this is viewed as unethical (whatever). so regardless if she’s from harvard or howard, her argument doesn’t stand up. sn: how is she going to win a case in court and she can’t even make sense in a damn email? lol

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MiSz_PiNk_DiamOnd/ MiSz_PiNk_DiamOnd

    Wait, is this surprising? As if the entire Harvard student body isnt racist? Lol Im surprised they didnt use the N-word…Im surprised they didnt want to do a repeat of the Tuskegee Syphilis experiment but with HIV/AIDS

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/DameDivalicious/ DameDivalicious

    Think should lose her job? Are they kidding this woman would have be fine for that mess in Europe where I have lived on top of getting fire. Only in America can someone like this talk some sh*t they know nothing about. Sound like she come from the same school as Rush, Beck, Bush and Palin.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/DameDivalicious/ DameDivalicious

    @chicago_he,

    I heard stories like that from some African and European friends when I was abroad a few years ago going to school. Just proved a lot of these white kids in America are morons. Look at Bush supposedly graduated from college with top grades and he messed up the country. One of the example I have with them going to a school here where 85% was white, I did excellent in economic math which the majority of white kids in my class failed.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/xalisbubarre/ xalisbubarre

    If this law student held a doctorate in genetics, there would be cause for a knowledgeable rebuttal; however, this is a ploy to further her career, faster.
    She is attracting the attention she wants, and eventually it will be the attention of like minded morons who, unfortunately, have some degree of power within the socio-polital structure of the USA.

    A Black Math Teacher

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MisterUnderstood425/ MisterUnderstood425

    Sadly, this isn’t surprising…
    I agree with chicago_he as well as xalisbubarre. Given the right circ**stances, both can flourish, however it has been proven numerous times that Africans and those of the African diaspora, have intelligence that often can’t be scaled simply because the scales are based on the knowledge of the individuals who created them.

    Regardless, I don’t see why this email is given much of any publicity as this is more than likely just a way to get a career furthered on ignorance. I’m not surprised that perspectives as such still exist based on the rise in controversial discussions and acceptance of actions deemed heinous and controversial as well.

    Just let her go about her business… you cannot fire a person for their opinions as it would trample the first amendment rights. Granted, employers may agree to hire or not to hire because of that particular perspective and thereby providing more evidence that this is an attempt to garner publicity for her career.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/1BillionaireMnd/ 1BillionaireMnd

    As a pastor, educator and businessman. I have seen and experienced this archaic view in many circles. The Bible tells us that the heart is wicked above all who can know it? It always shares with us the heart and mind of God toward His creation mankind in Genesis chapter 1 versus 26-29. It is the deception and wickedness in that persons heart that caused her to write those opinions. Sadly and quietly that is the thought of many white people toward blacks and other races. It is about power! They must create divisions in an attempt to keep power. Fortunately, the world and United States is becoming more colorful and less white. Not that all white people have this view, they don’t but we as a Black race must begin to become unified, stop killing ourselves and show the world what our intelligence really is about. Wasn’t it George W. Carver who came up with over 300 uses and products just from the peanut? Wasn’t it a Black man who fond the filament for the light bulb that Edison gets credit for? I could go on and on. Its time to rise Black America in love, life, wisdom and united power for all mankind. STOP THE VIOLENCE!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/TruBlaque/ TruBlaque

    First, her name should be revealed, as redacting her name is the first step to cover up. She wrote the email; thus, she should stand by her words; and if she cannot do that, the email should have never been written and generated. Secondly, as a black woman who does hold several higher education degrees, including a Ph.D., I find that this level of racism is a demonstration of a polemic that permeates higher society, including higher education. If this is the perception that Harvard students walk away with after graduation, then Harvard, and indeed all higher education curriculums should serious consider including the work of Dr. Melissa Gilbert from Temple University, who taught RO55 at TU for years. The course opens up a dialog about race, racial stereotypes, and how to stop recycling that xenophobic fear back into society by those who are educated, as it is they who will, ultimately, be in charge of those societal entities that make decisions in those areas some day. It’s 2010, not 1810; American students should be taught better by now. It’s no wonder the world laughs at Americans. . .

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/get_wit_eman/ get_wit_eman

    Complete and utter IGNORANCE at its worst!! Denial by this lady is what I felt as i read, and then I could not help but Laugh at the insinuations that “Income” plays a small but insignificant factor in developement of Black peoples education..LMAO

    It doesnt shock me, and I cant even continue wasting timeon what we already know about alot, not all but ALOT of white peoples mentality, and there Naive, and sad, pathetic attempts at justifying their way of thinking.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/DuBose1/ DuBose1

    I hate to say it, but that b***h is entitled to her ignorance. The freedom of speech is a fundamental right even if is from a racist b***h.. Her loosing her job is not going to affect how a racist think, and its not going to stop racist behavior – uh…look at the teabags movement.. Although, you can get a teabag from a hooka on 110th… lmao..

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    it’s the same old saw of white supremacy. if whites truly believed they were “superior” they would not have CREATED a system of unequal education to “guarantee” that blacks cannot compete at the same educational level.
    —–

    We should not be surprised or angered by the same old arguments. They will increase as whites have to compete with non-whites for fewer and fewer employment opportunities, so be prepared for this so-called liberal generation to repeat the racism of their parents..
    —-

    And this is why many white “elite” universities have limited the number of “As” professors can give out, because many of the highest performing students are from India, Asia, an Africa. In fact, the group with the highest number of college graduates in the American population — percentage-wise — are guess who? AFRICAN IMMIGRANTS
    ———–
    We are not intellectually or genetic inferior. An inferior position in a white supremacy system has NOTHING TO DO with being genetically or intellectually inferior — it has everything to do with being a NON-WHITE person who is deliberately put into that inferior condition.
    ————
    Seriously, how can a race be “genetically superior” when they are losing the ABILITY TO REPRODUCE? Come on, now… even the animal kingdom doesn’t buy that theory. Which is why the media is promoting IR relationships for black folks — and why so many white females are dying to have brown babies, it’s all about genetic survival…but that’s another story for another time….
    ————

    It is important to note that this student is a SHE (a white female) NOT a HE (a white male). My sincere apologies to those black males who have a tendency to let the white female “off the hook” for racism/white supremacy.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/shemcity/ shemcity

    First of all it has been scientificaly proven that we are far more advance then they will ever be,so with that known it just show you in these so call higher learning institution all of the learning is artificial and design to suit the crackers. Still to this day they hate the fact that we can compete on thier level with ease, and still put up with thier racist bulls**t, that show you that they can never f**k with the black race mentally on our worst day.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/kels_g/ kels_g

    Not going to defend her lol. What she wrote was her opinion, regardless of how right or wrong it may be.

    I will say this, it’s a law student. I am not exactly sure when they became trusted experts over the human race and it’s ability and flaws. Anybody who chooses to trust her would be just like her. Her statement is obviously on racial lines since she said things specifically against blacks, but do note she also said things about women not being as smart as men…..

    In my opinion she is 100% dead wrong in both her points. Like cram said, this is a case of a white person feeling superior to blacks in regards to that aspect of her opinion.

    Isn’t that a principle of the united states? Exceptionalism, we are better then everybody else?

    Now it’s time for me to get shot, I believe everybody is entitled to their opinion, no matter how stupid (in my opinion) it may be in some cases. Yes, even the white law student lol.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    let me add this
    —–
    I am by no means saying whites are intellectually inferior to us. The white supremacists have BRILLIANTLY run an exceptional mind game on blacks and other non-whites all over the planet for HUNDREDS of years. Even to the point of selecting our black “role models” and black “heroes” in the 21st century and fooling us into thinking WE selected HIM…
    —-
    so blacks and Africans have some serious catch-up to do in terms of our knowledge, which, again, this has nothing to do with genetics, but with being FORCED into an artificially created “inferior” position. We must educate ourselves so we will have TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF SELF and of the whites who control us

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/easy_one65/ easy_one65

    If her views, as expressed in this e-mail, are any indication of how she will interpret and apply the laws of this country as a sitting judge in a circuit court, then by all means she should be pre-emptively forbidden from serving as a judge in “any” court. Obviously, regardless of her higher education, this individual has not learned to be purely impartial when considering people as individuals and has shown her preference and prejudice for concluding very important legal matters based solely upon race. This is the type of mindset that poses a clear and present danger to African-Americans and others, who will seek to obtain unbiased judgements in any court of law, anywhere in the Unites States. I am glad that we were able to be exposed to such correspondence that seeps through the walls of some of the most “prestigous” institutions of “higher” education….Wow!…”The more things change, the more they stay the same”…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    Not hardly buying the apology. See you apologize when you accidentally step on someones foot, you dont spew sincere apology when you INTENTIONALLY condemn an entire race of people to ignorance by default.

    But it is her honest opinion, and I’m quite sure that the proper and most high up helpful senator, congress person, bank owner etc will pick up on this and the young girl’s career will be positively solidified and she will be presiding over african american judicial cases for years to come…

    By the way, Thank you for that, @Crammasters…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Khalif2000/ Khalif2000

    I’m all the proof she needs but black people don’t want a computer nerd with a seriously hardcore rap album to represent them. We seem to want to be men before we are even teens, but a man gets a job and doesn’t knock people up.

    The letter doesn’t seem offensive. If every brother is acting the fool wit tats and sagging, it would make anyone on the outside see inferiority.

    Of course genetic predisposition is better argued by psychologists or medical doctors, but it’s her right as an American to have an opinion. Instead of whining about PROVE HER WRONG. UNTIL YOU DO NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/AdiAcidri/ AdiAcidri

    “the possibility that African Americans are, on average, genetically predisposed to be less intelligent.” (Stephanie Grace)

    But also, look at the sentence! For a law student, the grammar is so jumbled up and is that of someone trying hard to sound academic! Is this Stephanie, that bright?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ easy_one65
    ——
    i hear u, and you’re right to be concerned about her ability to judge fairly: she can’t. However, her attitudes ARE the attitudes of the white (and some black) elites.
    ——
    And so, there will come a time when black folks will be faced with this reality: two camps of black folk:
    ——
    1) those that understand what is happening and act with knowledge
    2) those who will keep giving white folk like her the “benefit of a doubt” and will pretend that integration is “working”
    ——
    and I can see this battle of believers (in integration) and those who have seen the proverbial light and who have stopped pretending that we will be equal if we just pretend long enough…
    ——
    these kinds of stories should not surprise or alarm us anymore, what we should be doing is crafting an economic survival plan where we REBUILD the black family, heal the rift between black males and black females, REBUILD the black family, make our black communities a priority — not the latest Coach bag, or set of rims, or most expensive ride, or who has the biggest booty or dyck.

    ONLY after the black male and black female get over the insanity of jungle fever, heal the rift between us that was created back during slavery and agree that our black children, and black communities should be our biggest priority
    —–
    can we expect to have the will and the self-respect to build a sustainable and prosperous economic/business base where we can feed, house, clothe, and EMPLOY OURSELVES —
    —–
    and that starts with NOT letting the Arabs (historically, the biggest African slave traders in history) to fry the fish we feed our families, and fry our women’s hair…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MR_NANASTROKER/ MR_NANASTROKER

    Gud shlt

    @ chicago_he
    crammasters

    keep tutoring

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MR_NANASTROKER/ MR_NANASTROKER

    that last post make me feel like I was reading my own shlt crammasters

    but keep feeding i’m eating

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/bjhawklawes/ bjhawklawes

    Anytime anyone release a e-mail apology they’re not apoligizing directly to who they offended, that a cop out, she must be afraid to walk across campus and address the students she offended because she know if she does they gonna put a black foot up her ass. Personally I hope some crazy less intelligent student from that campus beat the white off her ass as if she stole something and when whomever is caught they can just say that they weren’t intellegent enough to know what he/she were doing just as her she know what I mean.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ AdiAcidri who said, “But also, look at the sentence! For a law student, the grammar is so jumbled up and is that of someone trying hard to sound academic! Is this Stephanie, that bright?”
    —–
    I was kinda thinking the same thing in the back of my head….LOL

    ——

    @ Khalif2000 who said, “ Instead of whining about PROVE HER WRONG. UNTIL YOU DO NOTHING WILL CHANGE.”
    —-
    No disrespect, brother, but if the long, long, list of accomplished BLACK scientists, doctors, lawyers, Rhodes Scholars, elite university graduates, scholars, writers, playwrights, geneticists, mathematicians, architects, astronomers, chemists, astronauts, Pulitzer Prize winners, inventors, politicians, pilots, business owners, CEOs, computer engineers, software engineers, programmers, builders, network engineers, MBAs, PhDs., don’t prove anything, then we need to get a clue…
    —-
    You can’t prove something that somebody refuses to accept (ever tried that and see how hopeless that is?) And it is my FIRM belief that we should focus MORE on what we think of OURSELVES and EACH OTHER than what the white collective thinks about us – when it is NOT in their best interest to be FAIR…
    We even try to “prove” that we are HUMAN BEINGS and the government allowed black men, women, children, and the elderly to sit on rooftops for FOUR DAYS after Katrina…come on, now, folks, it’s time for a new FOCUS away from white validation, brother…
    —–
    @ CaliFemme23 who said, “Not hardly buying the apology. See you apologize when you accidentally step on someones foot, you dont spew sincere apology when you INTENTIONALLY condemn an entire race of people to ignorance by default. I’m quite sure…the young girl’s career will be positively solidified and she will be presiding over african american judicial cases for years to come… By the way, Thank you for that, @Crammasters…
    —-
    Right, right, it won’t hurt her career, because she will be portrayed as a young victim who “mis-spoke” years after this…and blacks will be made to look like ogres if we bring it up…lol

    You’re welcome, always at your service, CaliFemme…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Khalif2000/ Khalif2000

    What’s funnier is the pic of one of our ENTREPRNEURS, with tats, grilling with a t-shirt on.

    How I look at it is the other non-white races are doing well with integration. And people from India are just straight-haired black people.

    I’d love to debate the letter with her, but people who do things like that are looking for a jolt, not a discourse – kinda like Bill O’Reilly or Rush Limbaugh.

    But at any rate, we have to make ourselves look better not hope people see us differently. In 2010, nearly 95% of black men are in jerseys and sagging or baggy jeans. I only wear Dockers or dress pants so I can get paid well for doing nothing in an office.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/phazex_female/ phazex_female

    ““I am deeply sorry for the pain caused by my email.”

    The euro-clown is sorry…sorry that she was EXPOSED.

    She is just another euro-clown that clings to the vine of the continuing theory of the “Bell Curve.”

    I would LOVE to debate her…not difficult at all. However, I do not debate a “driven mind-set” because she has INTERNALIZED what she has been “taught.” Therefore, a waste of effort on my behalf.

    You can only shake your head and pity her.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Khalif2000/ Khalif2000

    @crammasters:
    Stereotypes come from small groups in a larger group. Some of our music and sports stars are to say the least embarrassing. That doesn’t mean they all are . But if YOU AS THE INDIVIDUAL say, “I can’t overcome racism,” and decide to give up, you’re not helping our image by being the kid on the corner all day.

    Of course, you can’t make anyone think anything but you can show them something.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ Khalif2000

    brother, I hear you and I agree that we should not let racism defeat us BUT where we disagree is — my motivation should not be to “prove” anything to ANYONE who does not want to change their minds about me. I wouldn’t do it for an individual, let alone an entire race.
    —-
    the long list of accomplished blacks over the CENTURIES has not changed the overall stereotype of black people, so when will we get a clue and start working on the IMAGE in our own mirrors?

    what will YOU show white folks that they haven’t already seen before, brother? Black college grads are nothing new. Sophisticated, intelligent, brilliant black folks are nothing new. SUccessful black folks are nothing new. There is truly nothing new under the sun that blacks can do, brother. Even Tiger Woods, one of the most white-identified BM on the planet, with all his money and achievements was and is still treated like a niigger, brother

    Until we move away from NEEDING white validation, and start VALIDATING OURSELVES, we will continue to be treated like inferiors, because deep down inside, we still believe we are….
    —-
    otherwise, we wouldn’t spend so much time, trying to “prove” something and start handling our business because it IS our business to handle…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/chicago_he/ chicago_he

    STUPID CHICK…not only should she be fired. She needs to be sentenced to 100 hrs of Hood Service.

    And if you look at her email and carefully go through it, you would think it was written by a 3rd grader. This only goes on to show that she did not enter Harvard because of here brain, but simply bcuz she is white. Or probably related to some rich family that owned slaves in the 1800′s

    But on the real. Have you noticed that white people are forever pointing fingers at everyone as an inferior race. They never focus on anything good and positive. First it was the African, then the Indians, then the Chinese, now it is the middle-east. And we wonder why the bible called them “MOCKER”

    If people start digging up their past history like they do with other races, I do not think they will last even one year. I mean go and read what Jesus Christ said about their nature in the New Testament. He said “They heap the burden of life on the shoulder of another man, that they cannot even survive if they carried only 100th of the load on their pinky finger….LOL (Hypocrites)

    But honestly I blame black people. These people spit on our face and we still beg them for bread and water. At the end of the day the only thing black people wanna do is smoke weed, cash their little govt cheese, buy gucci and listen to Beyonce….

    That is all we are simply worth these days. We are the reason Obama is getting dogged.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Nightowl358/ Nightowl358

    Her apology carries no weight; it’s not like she was joking when she wrote those words.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MsTjaye/ MsTjaye

    LMAO…so not only does she believe we are less intelligent, she thinks so much of herself that she believes that what SHE thinks about us and says about us can harm us and leave us feeling hurt. Wow! Someone really has an inflated value of their own opinion.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    phazex_female, MY GIRL!

    crammasters,
    EXACTLY! I am sick of hearing how WE should PROVE something to them. If I think someone or something is the lowest of the low, and I have thought this as well as been TAUGHT to think as such, then NOTHING anyone can do will PROVE different to me. If my mind isnt OPEN to it then why bother trying to phase me with your attempts?

    Proving things to white people, to ME, means that I NEED their approval as to my character and accomplishments. The ‘HA HA’ is in and of itself, it needs not mentioning nor proof. The flip side is, white people MUST feel like we are beneath them for their own validation. They are never happy with their personal achievements unless they can view someone as LESS. This email proves that.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/SheFly69/ SheFly69

    chicago_he-I agree. We are our own worst enemy. What have we done to educate ourselves as a whole? Rap music and faux designer clothes? we as a people need to get out of instant gratification, get an education and support our own. Too many Blacks change their color when they succeed. We need to mature and stop being mesmerized by white folks trinkets, clothes, cars and Rap music. If we stoped buying this crap, there would be a lot less rich folks. Don’t even get me going on buying weave and making these Chinese rich. I wear a press!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    chicago_he, “We are the reason Obama is getting dogged.”

    Hmmmm, VERY interesting…Can ANYONE explain this one to me?
    I thought he was getting ‘dogged’ because he has flatlined on A LOT of those campaign promises, not to mention his regurgitated administration…
    Someone school me though if I’m missing the memo’s….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ CaliFemme

    see, this is the best sign of an mentally enslaved and subjugated black mind directly caused by too much integration as an inferior black person…
    —–
    Now, some blacks are blaming EACH OTHER for what whites are doing to Obama? How are black folks who gave him 92% of their vote now responsible for his problems? what would make a black person blame other black people for what white people are doing?
    —-
    I hear more and more black folks blaming other black folks for poverty, for inferior schools, for police violence, or for just being black. And they have clearly forgotten they are black, too, and that someone is judging them the way they judge other black folks.
    —–
    It’s almost like mental displacement, where your mind is not your own, and you see the world through white eyes even when that white view condemns your black self…
    —–

    This is the kind of mental sickness that worries me the most because it’s a sign of insanity where you ove your tormentors and despise those who are like you.
    —–
    That’s part of the reason so many falsely assimilated blacks are into IR relationships today. The little white traffic cop in their brains, mainly planted there by the white school systems, the white media and the endless advertising and promoting of white, IR and bi-racial folks — is like putting black folks on mental and emotional remote control…
    —-
    the real question is what happens when the batteries in the remote go dead?

    d concern for those just like yourself.
    ——-
    Even black suffering doesn’t faze many black folks anymore…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/tc2ewra/ tc2ewra

    In truth why the hell would this letter be a surprise to anyone who is Black. The only people whom this should surprise are Black “elites” who think they are well thought of by Whites and White folk who are pissed that she is exsposing how they really feel.

    To hell with trying to prove anything to this woman and her ilk. Let them believe as they choose. Regardless of how they think, we should be about the business of uplifting ourselves and our communities. We need to drop this westernized eurocentric value system and adopt a system where the focus is on family and community.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ tc2ewra

    makes you wonder why we are still surprised by everyday events? Maybe, folks think they’re supposed to pretend to be surprised…for some strange reason…

    absolutely right, it’s time for a CULTURAL REVOLUTION, because this eurocentric system is destroying our minds, bodies, and genetics…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    Well, I don’t see where if she thinks blacks are less intelligent, that has anything to do with being fair. Obviously, she does not have a lot, if any, experiences in dealing with blacks.

    If anything, she sounds young and inexperienced in a lot of things, including taking information from general sources, things she hears and sees on tv, and makes that her reality.

    But just because you think someone is less intelligent, does not mean you’ll treat them unfairly.

    And if people are going to claim to allow free speech, yet punish when one speaks, you are burning the candle at both ends.

    I think her words need to be put into context, before you can judge her or the nature of her words. People should find out where she gets those ideas and perceptions. Are they casual musings based upon, like I say, tv, real experiences, or what?

    I doubt, really doubt, she’s had much in the way of experience in dealing with blacks. It didn’t even sound like she had and did not speak of any.

    And neither did she speak in harsh terms and certianly not in unduly harsh terms.

    So, the worst one could say is she has a bit of an awakening, once she does have an opportunity to engage more with blacks…..

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    Oh, and how are people getting her private emails? How many of you are willing to lose your jobs because of your racist comments? I know cali claims to have worked in the CDC or public health sector or some such.

    Should a racist like her be collecting a public paycheck if she’s similarly employed now?????

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/tc2ewra/ tc2ewra

    @XL_611

    I dont know if you are being funny or what. But I can assure you that this lady is serious about her beliefs. I would be pleased if she never had an encounter with Blacks.

    Its not our responsibility to wake her up. Just read some of the comments on this board. We have a ton of our own people who need an awakening.

    Maybe its me Brother but I dont think Id want to stand before a judge who thinks that I might be intellectually inferior and maybe even prone to violence. The sad truth is that it is probably what we get most of the time anyway whether the judge is Black or White.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    I think she’s serious also tc2. I said she was inexperienced. And she’s only being hired as a clerk, not a judge.

    I mean I completely understand someone taking offense. But I think when it comes to punishment, you have to be objective and put personal feelings aside. It’s fine to be insulted. But, if anyone expects to be treated like a human being, in the face of accusation and wrong doing, then they have to treat others with the same….

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Valerie_Joanel13601/ Valerie_Joanel13601

    Well at least shes telling us how some white folks feel about african americans.The only time I’ll accept her apology is when she finds her a niggah.she sound like she need a dick in her life.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    So Valerie…….You think that’s an intelligent and informed opinon? And then you wonder how a young woman gets ideas like that about blacks?

    I mean, I don’t consider myself to be of average intelligence and unlike people of average intelligence, I observe first and conclude later. Thus, no one can tell me there is a REAL differential of intelligence between races.

    But then people of all races can do and will, give other races a reason to believe what they believe…..

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    tc2ewra, “Maybe its me Brother but I dont think Id want to stand before a judge who thinks that I might be intellectually inferior and maybe even prone to violence. The sad truth is that it is probably what we get most of the time anyway whether the judge is Black or White.”

    You hit on my first thought when I read this story. I was thinking,”This is really F’ed up for this girl to have this mindset and shes making her way through college to become a judge at some point”…

    I immediately thought of the thousands of black people that will most likely come through her court, and be judged before fact,case,evidence or word is spoken, but JUST on the strength of being african american…

    And people say I’m wrong and racist for keeping my distance from those ill fated, self proclaimed superior beings…tragic at best…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/lavenderga/ lavenderga

    White Supremacy,isn’t it KKKGrandWizardPeachyKingDarlingGrand. Don’t worry some black guy will scoop her up.Where are you,Tiger Woo?

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    [...] The student who sent the email, Stephanie Grace (pictured above), is currently a third-year at Harvard Law School. She has since emailed an apology to the Black Law Students Association, saying: I am deeply sorry for the pain caused by …Continue [...]

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Frenzy_Hunter/ Frenzy_Hunter

    Intelligence is relative to the conditions of the situation. Therefore her argument falls flat.

    Is she a racist? In the truest sense of the word (my-race-is-superior-to-yours) yes she is. Does she hate black people? I don’t think I got that from her email. Should she be a judge? Not with that sort of ignorance.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Ocean2417/ Ocean2417

    Black on Black crime let’s start there.we have to support each other in the black communities all threw out the u.s.these young black kids are out of control who’s raising them?to the world we are if we care about each other like we say we do then let’s step up and fix our own problems and let whitey think what he want you can’t change something that has been taught to them since our ancestors where kidnapped from Africa and brought here to build this country for free they are money hungry insecure savages you can’t change that pale face beast.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Caribspice37/ Caribspice37

    The damage has already been done. What is there to take back. Deep down it was how she felt. Now that it is out she is sorry..what a bunch of bull. I am sure now people who admire her will look at her in a different way…just sad

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/tc2ewra/ tc2ewra

    @CaliFemme23 “And people say I’m wrong and racist for keeping my distance from those ill fated, self proclaimed superior beings…tragic at best…”

    No sister that doesnt make you racist. From where Im standing that makes you intelligent. Your way takes out all the guesswork.

    @Ocean2417

    I hear you. It should be about us. We most certainly have a lot of work to do but we must understand that even if our communities were “fixed” many will continue to try to use this system against us.

    How do we know this? Because in our present efforts to repair the damage they fight us toothe and nail.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Valerie_Joanel13601/ Valerie_Joanel13601

    @XL_611 ooh please, just comment on the topic or comment on someone who had something serious to say.Its a blog site for crying out loud. jeez.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/The_Donlamb/ The_Donlamb

    I think what she really mean to say is that she’s sorry she got caught. She should seek counseling for her obviously questionable state of mind. For anyone who feel the need to cast stones at another entire race of people, for the purpose of validating their own feelings of inferiority,this speaks volume to their own waning state of mind.Not that it matters much,but her argument was about as realistic as harry potter and the half blood prince. Black people were building pyramids, and recording history long before, when the caucassian people were living in caves in the caucus mountains eating raw flesh, and having incestial relations with members of their own tribes,while the knuckle draggin men dragged the women around with them by the hair in one hand, and a hunting club in the other hand. And she thinks she’s genetically more intelligent than everonelse because why again?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    The_Donlamb, “I think what she really mean to say is that she’s sorry she got caught.”

    And there you have it….She’s not apologizing because shes sorry, shes just sorry she had to come back and apologize….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Cest_Ci_Bon/ Cest_Ci_Bon

    Her apology? Really? I agree with many others here, she’s only sorry she got caught.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    she meant what she said, and said what she meant. She owes me no apology. I could care less what she thinks…I care MORE about what black folks think about themselves…

    She is not the minority here, she is the MAJORITY. She is what white supremacy was FOUNDED ON: WHITE SUPREMACY. The real question — for me — is when will black folks ACCEPT the truth about what we’re dealing with? When will we STOP LOOKING FOR WHITE VALIDATION?

    It is NOT in white folks’ best interest to see or treat us as equals. It will NEVER happen. NEVER. So, it’s time to stop wasting our precious emotional and mental energies on trying to change that. There is NOTHING new under the sun that we haven’t already done to “prove” ourselves or our humanity. It hasn’t worked.
    —-
    WE need to get out of their beds, so we can get them OUT OF OUR HEADS. Without one, the other will not happen. WE need to come together, black male and black female and work out the MANUFACTURED BY SLAVERY rift that drives us apart.
    —–
    That is where we must start — in my opinion be it humble or not — not worrying about some ignorant white female from Harvard who can’t even make her case intelligently…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MR_NANASTROKER/ MR_NANASTROKER

    XL_611

    people we need 2 ignore people that comment 2 gain flatulence
    when you ignore these nlggers they will move along so please his posts are very irrrelevant don’t supply him/her air let them die slow, long and hard

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MiSz_PiNk_DiamOnd/ MiSz_PiNk_DiamOnd

    Why do they make people apologize? Smh…She doesnt mean it, I’d respect her more if she stood by her statement, guess that Harvard teaching didnt teach her anything

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/1BillionaireMnd/ 1BillionaireMnd

    As a pastor, I have learned that whats in the heart eventually comes out. She meant and still means what she wrote. She believes that Black people are inferior. Its sad when people must prop their inadequacies upon others.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/gren1shaw2/ gren1shaw2

    Okay,praying for the presidents death,planning to kill him and his family,torturing and murdering black men,women and children,degrading blacks,lawenforcement,tasing black children,white racist people allowed to carry guns,white people not under any of the laws that put others in prison and get them the death penalty.blacks not allowed to fight back.starving,homeless and dying from illness by being denied healthcare.no jobs,just desolate neighborhoods of blacks.what’s good for blacks in america?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    Here. This “question” can be answered very simply. And once and for all. And intelligently……..LOL

    Take into consideration that blacks have been in America, have been subject to oppressive rules and laws which are inherently destructive to developement, in all aspects of personality. Thus, one would expect to find a lower level of development, in people who are black.

    Add to that, the idea that blacks were the original hebrews and as a part of their religious practice, executed those who did not conform to these practices, thus removing independent thinkers, philosophers, theologians, etc..

    Add to that,previous to the bible, there were without doubt practices which removed more intelligent and independent types, in order to protect the power of those in power.

    Yet in these modern times, at best you have a marginal difference between blacks and whites and at worst, blacks score 85% on IQ tests.

    But if you factor in things like less education, nutrition, early learning experiences and so forth, blacks would at the very least be equal if not superior.

    The truth is, no matter what you do, you cannot equate intelligence to genetics. Intelligence is relatively random and does not depend upon the IQ of the parents.

    Both parents having downs syndrome, will produce a child of at least normal intelligence and physiological development.

    So I guess to answer the question of should she lose her job, considering that she went to the most prestigious law school in the country and did not learn these things, nor figured them out, I guess I’m going to have to change my mind and vote, “No Job”.

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    ONe thing I can count on when I come to a story like this is XL_611 being here telling people how they should act, think or react. I told you before, save those ideas for your next KKK think tank so you and your brethren can find new and innovative ways to inject them into various institutions we blacks unfortunately depend on heavily for survival.

    @Frenzy_Hunter. I Actually agree with you but humbly suggest that it matters not whether she hates or likes black people. It’s the White supremacist mindset that cripples our people. If these people merely hated us, more than likely, they would separate from us, but because white supremacy runs through their veins like blood (check XL_611), they NEED and DESIRE us to remain among them so they can wield there supremacist and racist ways. Right XL_611?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/divainohio/ divainohio

    Poor lil’ white gal…lololol…well I guess she knows now that inferiority runs in all races…even her very own….lolol

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    Listen people, straight up. I know most will disagree, but in my view, if you are ever opposing Mr_Nanastroker, Crammasters, CaliFemme23, Frenzy_Hunter, SoularFlarez, Empress2012, Maatra, JazzPast, Sub-negro, Stan_Vinyl in debates about race and racism, you’re on the wrong side of the argument, DAMMIT!!! (I know I have left out some powerful names, please forgive me for that)

    ***The views expressed are solely those of this poster and may not necessarily reflect the views of any of the names mentioned***

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    One thing I can count on with a story like this, is a guy like _A_, who is barely able to read, completely misunderstand the story, my comments,and the comments of others.

    LOL

    I mean, where did I say anything about white supremacy?

    Never mind. Some people will see it, whether it’s there or not……..

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_ who said: “***The views expressed are solely those of this poster and may not necessarily reflect the views of any of the names mentioned***”

    LOL

    that’s pretty good

    Personally, I’m glad she said it if she felt it. Again, no apology necessary, she told you what you were dealing with if you have to deal with her

    No, she shouldn’t be beaten or run out of town on a rail. She is TYPICAL, ORDINARY, SHE IS THE MAJORITY who might be too “polite” or “phony” to say it aloud or in mixed company

    but openly or secretly agree with her

    now, that we understand that, what are we going to do — not about people like her — but about ourselves to get out from under the white foot of white supremacy?

    that is the ONLY question (and opinion) that matters

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/fierceone/ fierceone

    Damn right she should lose the job. She needs to sit down with Dr. Gates, Charles Ogletree (Harvard law professor), Michelle Obama, and Linda Hill (Harvard Business professor) and REALLY learn about the black experience as well as other other multicultural issues. I wonder if she feels the same about latinos. Justice Sotomayer would have something to contribute to the discussion. It is obvious that she has lived a sheltered life. I guess someone had to bring back the views of another Harvard professor who wrote the controversial book entitled, “The Bell Curve.” Cest_si_bon summed it up well.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    @XL_611. Your ignorance is laughable sometimes. White Supremacy is in the air like dust or pollen and just as irritating. Once a person has been consumed by white supremacy, he no longer has to walk around professing it, every word he speaks, oozes and drips with it like pus out of an open sore. The fact that you think you’re so intelligent really shows how much of a fool you truly are. Barely able to read? I read and comprehend so well, that I can easily read between your lines. You are truly a purveyor of white supremacist ideology. Whether you know it or not, is inconsequential!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    A great quote I heard and wholeheartedly agree with.

    “white supremacy is not our problem but rather, our inept reaction to it”

    I won’t bother revealing who said it, because simpletons like XL_611 would “naturally” attack the speaker of these profound words, while being unable to refute the truth contained in them.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    you’re right, that’s how the game of white supremacy is played. The victims must be CONVINCED that they are NOT being victimized. That’s why a white folk will look you DEAD in the eye and tell you that racism is in our imaginations when he or she KNOWS it is the farthest thing from the truth.

    they know they benefit from white privilege because whenever they lose anything to a non-white person, they cry “Foul! Reverse discrimination! Not fair! Somebody’s cheating!” etc, etc.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    here’s an excerpt from the book, Trojan Horse: Death of a Dark Nation
    —-

    When someone benefits from a system, they are understandably reluctant to
    change that system. For example, Coworker A makes 20% more than Coworker
    B even though their jobs are identical. Eventually, Coworker B becomes
    suspicious and asks Coworker A about his salary.
    —-
    Coworker A avoids the question and denies he is treated any differently than any other employee. He also hides the fact that he is related by marriage to the personnel manager.
    —-
    Coworker A knows it is to his advantage to avoid direct answers to Coworker
    B’s questions. Otherwise, Coworker B might take some action (like fi ling a
    lawsuit) that causes Coworker A to lose his “privileges.”
    —–
    Most people — including Coworker A — cling to the (often false) belief that they are honest and ethical people EVEN when they are benefi ting from the mistreatment of others.
    —-
    This “belief” requires MASS SELF-DECEPTION on the part of those who
    benefit, and MASS DECEPTION towards those who are being mistreated. In a
    system of white supremacy, it is necessary to:

    1. convince non-whites they are NOT being mistreated
    —-
    2. convince non-whites they are disadvantaged because they are inferior
    —-
    3. convince whites they have earned advantages because they are superior
    —-
    4. convince whites that they are being mistreated by non-whites
    —-
    5. convince whites that non-whites deserve to be mistreated
    —-
    6. pressure whites to keep silent even when racism is happening right in
    front of them

    —-

    and that is the “dance” of white supremacy, the victimizers (winners) and the victims (losers) and until we understand HOW it is played, we will keep getting PLAYED

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    I don’t know mr. _A_, perhaps you should have someone qualified to read help you out.

    If anything, I proved black superiority, not white.

    But, like you say. People with supremacist views cannot see anything except what they’ve been told and conditioned to see…….

    The irony here is absolutely stunning. In fact, I can’t believe it. I think _A_ and his ilk are posers.

    I mean no one can be this stupid……

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    @Crammasters. Good stuff there my brother. As Dr. Claud Anderson put it so beautifully in my opinion, while other groups play to win, we are the only ones who play to play. Were just too happy to be off the bench and in the game, not caring about the outcome or who wins. Then guys like XL_611 talks about he is “proving” black superiority?…lololol…Well, if that is really true, and you really feel that way, why not take that sentiment to white people? We are the victims of white supremacy, what you should do is find those guilty of victimizing us and get them to see the “light.” The fact is, your white supremacist conditioning has you believing that you have to come “help” “educate” black folks to their superiority. Now that is the first time you have actually made me laugh out loud.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @_A_

    excellent point — that well-meaning whites should be talking to other whites about racism since whites are the ones with the “problem” — which we have seen that all over the non-white world…

    And you will find the TRULY well-meaning whites do exactly that, whites like Tim Wise, Jane Elliott, and Donna Lamb (of C.U.R.E.), they lecture, and write and preach to whites because their intention of eliminating racism/white supremacy is GENUINE

    I don’t have a problem dialoguing with anyone of any race, but I haven’t found but a few white posters who are sincerely trying to communicate, or who do not have EGO issues and hidden or not so hidden white superiority complexes (which are always inferiority complexes — Psych 101)

    OR who are not just on BP trolling for black meat…which i think are the majority since few enter into any serious discussions about ANYTHING…

    Me — if i had a problem with white folks, the last thing I’d do is spend my precious time trolling white websites…just don’t get it…

    however, it’s a free country (to that extent) and so…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    Great cramm. I’ll believe you as soon as you preach to blacks about their racism…. Including yours…….LOL.

    The thing about cramm and _A_ is they create their own form of slavery and imprisonment. They want to convince others there are walls and barriers to their experiences, and there is no escape or release, except upon conditions that they determine.

    All they need, is for someone to believe them. Then they see the walls and the barriers, and then actually feel their confinement.

    Personally, I judge people for what actions they take.

    That tells me a lot more about them than the color of their skin….

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    _A_,
    Love the post man, means A LOT. And ummm the califemme23 agrees..
    (You left out AfricanSpeech and tc2ewra) ;-) :D

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    Crammasters, “Me — if i had a problem with white folks, the last thing I’d do is spend my precious time trolling white websites…just don’t get it…”

    Once again, my sentiments exactly! Ole boy doesnt realize that the main thing he preaches about stopping amongst black people, (racism), is the EXACT stance he has taken. He’s white so he feels like its his DUTY/MISSION to ‘help’ the ‘poor black folks’ see the error of their ways. Thats the age old mindset of white supremacy. “The blacks dont know any better so they need someone superior to teach them”.
    When in actuality if my brethren were in legion to a group such as stormfront, Aryan.org, that is where I would take my teachings, knowledge or wisdom to. We didnt start despising and hating white people, NO, its the other way around. You dont attack the middle or the end result, you attack the FOUNDATION. And I for one am more concerned with what my people are doing and their minds being ‘right’, especially if we were the antagonists…

    _A_,
    Tell XL_611 he cant possibly come in and throw brand spanking new clothes on this problem HIS people have when not nan one of them jokers have TAKEN A BATH!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    aw damn…XL_611, I was hoping to fly under your laser beam wit and intelligence…damn…

    there u go doing that 3rd person thing again…talking to an invisible crowd of imaginary supporters…

    so, since you’re not really “talking” to me, I won’t really “respond”…to your dime store psychological analysis…

    LOL back at ya..

    carry on…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ CaliFemme

    right again…

    I don’t have a problem dialoguing with anyone, but I do have a problem when someone assumes a superior position with me… and as far as “black racism” there is no such animal, and I wish folks would get the definition straight…


    racism = power = the systems and institutions that enable one race to oppress/mistreat another. Blacks can be bigoted or prejudiced (to pre-judge) but blacks in a white supremacy system CANNOT BE RACIST because we have NO institutions or systems or the power to oppress white people.

    The proof: I have asked countless numbers of folks this question and have NEVER EVER received a response:

    Name one thing that black people – as a group — have stopped white
    people – as a group — from doing that they had a RIGHT to do? For
    example, denying them the right to work, own a home, live in a certain
    area, get a fair trial, an education, or use any public facility.

    If anyone can answer that question, they need to write a BOOK about it OR stop misinterpreting and misusing the word “racism”

    and just to cut the nonsense short, a “first black” president is not the correct answer. He is NOT in charge, he was selected by the white-controlled Democratic MACHINE, not by black people. We didn’t select him, we didn’t nominate him, we don’t control the electoral college that elected Obama BEFORE the popular vote was counted. He is NOT independent, he is NOT in charge, anymore than Bush was in charge…

    affirmative action — wrong answer. Blacks did not create it, and did not have the power to institute it OR decide how it was used. IF we had that kind of power, why the hell would we need affirmative action? LOGIC, please…

    let history speak for who has a problem with the skin color of others…we need not beat that dead white horse…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    crammasters,
    Oh I feel you there. What is amazing to me is that BLACK people also feel that WE are racist. That just stuns me to no ends. How do you let white people put THEIR tag on you and you accept it when every bit of evidence REFUTES IT?
    White people have not and do not JUST ‘hate’ us, their mission has been to DESTROY us as a whole since the beginning of time…When have WE ever had that initiative toward them? OOPS! Like you KEEP saying..WE DONT HAVE THE POWER! Honestly as a black person, I dont have the DESIRE to destroy anyone else, I have the desire to UPLIFT my own. Damn shame when I say that to black people, they take it as me being racist because I choose NOT to deal with, help, educate nor progress with white people…

    Two words that blackplanet users need not utilize until they find out what they mean..1) RACIST and 2) IGNORANT.
    The people that have the most exhibited knowledge on this sucker are often times deemed as ignorant by those that have NO CLUE of whats going on…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ CaliFemme

    that has been my experience, too, that the folks who are the most disrespectful and the quickest to call other folks or their posts “dumb” are usually the ones who lack knowledge.

    see, knowledge will allow you to make your case without all the drama, even when folks post things that you disagree with, but IF you know what you’re talking about, you can be logical, and back it up if need be, then you don’t have to resort to cussing and name-calling….

    but I kinda understand the frustration with folks you don’t agree with, including folks like me, cause sometimes you just want to pimp slap ‘em with some choice words…lol

    it’s all good, everybody’s entitled to their opinion…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    Crammasters. I want to thank you for reminding me about C.U.R.E. I ran across an interview with one of them about 5 years ago. I remember I was at work, and was absolutely STUNNED at what I was hearing. I always knew there were some well meaning, well intentioned whites out there, (I personally don’t waste time seeking them out though) but had no idea that there existed whites who really went to that level with it. XL_611 could learn a lot from them, but like the alcoholic or drug addict, he would have to first admit he is indeed afflicted with the disease of White Supremacy before any meaningful intervention can take place. So I guess he wants us now to believe that racism and discrimination is a figment of our collective imaginations?..I see why he is always LOLing all the damn time, he can’t possibly believe the foolishness he writes. Sadly though, I know he does. So the barriers and the walls don’t exist huh? Perhaps you should be asked to be a part of the warren commission on race next time and save them time and money, by convincing them this is all an illusion. Cram, you stated it correctly about this dime store psychological analysis, except I bought my dime in, and I need for him to give me my 8 cents in change.

    Let me offer another observation, that perhaps supports my theory. Does anyone ever remember this KKK minded person posting to a blog that isn’t based on racism? And when he does post to these blogs, he undoubtedly gets into verbal confrontations with at least 4 or 5 people. XL_611, if you were truly interested in the black experience, you would be providing input to many subjects here, unless you’re one dimensional. Actually, that explains it, most devil worshipers ARE one dimensional. Just in case you may be confused by my “devil worshiper” statement, in this case, It’s the same thing as me calling you a Narcissist. Let that marinate in your brain for a while.

    Califemme23. Don’t thank me my friend. You being you will be all the thanks I need. Yes my girl, even with the 2k dollar suit he has tried to put on, the STENCH is not only at full strength, but has become absolutely unbearable!!! Now I see why the caves served as ideal dwellings for him, it still provided a lot more ventilation for him and his comrades!

    Black people you are

    Too Black
    Too Strong
    Too Beautiful

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    Damn, all those words, and I still couldn’t get everything out..lol

    Great analogy Crammasters (co-worker A and B). It’s really human nature to A) keep your mouth shut when you’re the beneficiary, and B) convince yourself, that it’s not really your fault. Whites do that today with the standard, “I had nothing to do with slavery” while they sit around enjoying all the spoils from it.

    “…also played an intergral role in enacting the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, which quickened the westward expansion of the United States, while also providing that there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said territory”

    “…condemned slavery and vehemently opposed its expansion. In his first term in Virginia House of Burgesses, (he) proposed a law to free Virginia’s slaves. In 1774, (he) urged the Virginia delegates to the First Continental Congress to abolish the slave trade. According to (him) the abolition of domestic slavery is the great object of desire in those colonies where it was unhappily introduced”

    The “he” being talked about in the above quotes is talking about none other than Thomas Jefferson, a great slave owner himself. Point is, Whites have developed an incredible ability to hold two contradictory beliefs in their mind simultaneously, while accepting both of them. These people are sick and need serious help. XL_611 is NO EXCEPTION, so please spare us the “let me make you understand how you should be viewing matters of race in this country.”

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_ who said,”Cram, you stated it correctly about this dime store psychological analysis, except I bought my dime in, and I need for him to give me my 8 cents in change.”

    LOL — I think he owes you 9 and a half cents…but I don’t want to talk about him behind his back, but then again, he won’t hear us, he only talks in 3rd person, to that imaginary support group…

    awww, come on XL-611, i’m just kidding, couldn’t resist, hope u have a sense of humor…moving on..
    —-

    _A_ said: “Whites do that today with the standard, “I had nothing to do with slavery” while they sit around enjoying all the spoils from it.”

    ABSOLUTELY. Neither Europe or America would have become super powers without 400 years of FREE SLAVE LABOR in America and the Caribbean, and this is not just my opinion, those who understand the reason for and the scope of slavery, will see that there would have been NO EXPANSION of European power, wealth, and influence without slavery.

    I suspect that the majority of whites trolling BP and other black websites have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in eliminating racism, discussing racism, or with creating a more just planet free of white racism.

    from what I see, they are here to work out their personal issues of hostility with black folks OR they are trolling for black dyck or puzzy…
    note that you never see them join in on serious discussions of any kind…why is that — if i’m wrong?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    crammasters, “from what I see, they are here to work out their personal issues of hostility with black folks OR they are trolling for black dyck or puzzy…”

    Man who you tellin’! I do get notes from many white men who have nothing more to say than…”I have always wanted to TRY a black woman..”. NEVER do I get something of substance or enlightenment (as IF!). They are here to ‘hunt’ US or like you said ‘teach’ US the ‘right’ way in that superior fashion. And if we have so much wrong with us, why not just…stay away?

    They have always and will always be too concerned with what WE do, to positively add to their own lives.

    And really, what the hell is up with the NEED on XL’s part to correct us in that strange 3rd person way, followed by the ever present “LOL”??? Really, look who has the Psychological problems I ask you!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/uh8meeh2/ uh8meeh2

    Do I think her apology is sincere? Not at all; she put this ridiculous statement in writing; an email, which she could have revised. To top it off, it was only her thoughts concerning blacks being genetically predisposed to being ignorant, no scientific evidence to state her claim at all (where’s the statistics to support her claim?). It seems now that people say whatever hurtful words and when people take offense, an apology is all that suffices, when an apology does not change the feelings that triggered such harsh words. An apology, in a sense, is for formality purposes. Her apology is only necessary because 1) the email is out and 2) a majority feel her email is wrong now that it’s out. I’m most definite Ms. Grace’s feelings regarding blacks has not changed since the email, especially if no studies have been done to refute her claims to change her mind. With no scientific evidence at all I’ll write: She would not have apologized or felt bad about her statement had it not received negative attention.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ Cali

    I wondered about that, because i noticed a couple of things that caught my good eye:

    like on 1-LL’s blog, every blue moon, a white dude will post a comment and 90% of the time, it makes no sense, I don’t mean I disagree with it, I mean it made no damn sense, something like, “I like blue soapsuds…”…and everybody ignores it…

    Or a white female will plaster provocative pics of herself all over her page but will state loud and clear “I do not date men on Black Planet”
    so I guess she just wants to be worshipped from afar…beauty and the beast…lol

    Most of them MUST be trolling for black meat, and i would STRONGLY advise BW not to fall too hard for all this IR hype, because white dudes trolling for BW ain’t nothing new, y’all feel me? Proceed with extreme caution and some self-respect…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ uh8meeh2

    you’re right, she meant what she said, and I have no problem with it, because I know she thinks like the majority and I think it’s good for black folks to be reminded of what we’re dealing with because we seem to be fast asleep, like we’ve been drugged and have lost our sense and memory…


    I guess we have to repeat the same mistakes over and over again until time runs out…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    Well, let’s see. The europeans go to africa, on their way to asia, and stop off to barter for supplies in africa. Africans, express an interest in trade. The europeans, don’t find much that they could put on the markets in europe, but the africans are very interested in rum. And offer, slaves. Which aren’t in much demand, until the new world opens up and now a labor force is needed. And in europe, they had a labor force. At any rate, rum is the principal good africans are interested in.

    Not ships. Not textiles and textile machines. Not furniture making. Booze.

    Then as europeans discovered, who was on the shorelines but the very same africans they dealt with across the atlantic. Too good to be true? Indeed.

    Africans would sell entire generations of their own people, for a couple of kegs of rum, and their lands in the new world, for trinkets and beads.

    And then scream bloody murder the entire time, whitey made them do it…..

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    And there we have it…XL_611′s wickedly, devilish, satanic attempts at shifting blame, or trying to find someone as much to blame as his heroes. Keep going on with the story, and tell us about how these beasts in the form of human beings used to cut babies out of pregnant black women’s stomach’s, and stomp the fetus, just to instill fear into the others. Or how they would tie men’s arms to horses and have the horses take off in opposite directions to rip the torso in two, again, for the sake of instilling fear. How about just cutting off hands, ears, arms and legs at will, for the same reason. No sir, no way you can absolve your heroes from these nefarious deeds. Your hands are just as soiled as the devils who were there.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    XL_611 doesn’t know his history and therefore with a few facts, puts together a picture that paints the picture that MOST Europeans want to believe about their inhumane, bloodthirsty raping and looting of most of the planet. They must distort history, otherwise, there would be no doubt who the true savages are on the planet…not bias, just FACT

    Here’s some factual info about the Slave Trade from some TRUE scholars:

    —-
    The European slave trade in Africa was started and reached its crescendo between 1400 to 1600. This was also a turning point in the history of the world. Europe was emerging from the lethargy of the Middle Ages.
    —-
    Europeans were regaining their confidence, manifesting a new form of nationalism and extending that nationalism into racism. The African had goods and services that the European needed, and the European had the basic technology that the African needed.
    —-
    Had the African needs and the European needs been considered on an equal basis, there could have been an honest exchange between African and European and the European could still have had labor in large numbers without the slave trade and the massive murder that occurred in the slave trade. — John Henrik Clarke

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/angelarnold20031/ angelarnold20031

    she does appear to be sorry…………sorry that this got out to folks she didnt mean to see it. she said what she was thinking and now that it has blown up the way it did, she is trying to recant her story. her true views are showing. should she lose her job??? yes and no…give her another job….to help african americans in a less fortunate community…pro bono. force her to live AND work there.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    “The single most effective White propaganda assertion that continues to make it very difficult for us to reconstruct the African social systems of mutual trust broken down by U.S. Slavery is the statement, unqualified, that, “We sold each other into slavery.”
    —-
    Most of us have accepted this statement as true at its face value. It implies that parents sold their children into slavery to Whites, husbands sold their wives, even brothers and sisters selling each other to the Whites.

    The period from the beginning of the TransAtlantic African Slave so-called Trade (1500) to the demarcation of Africa into colonies in the late 1800s is one of the most doc**ented periods in World History.

    Yet, with the exception of the renegade African slave raider Tippu Tip of the Congo (Muslim name, Hamed bin Muhammad bin Juna al-Marjebi) who was collaborating with the White Arabs (also called Red Arabs) there is little doc**entation of independent African slave raiding.

    Trade implies human-to-human mutuality without force. Indeed, it was the Portuguese who initiated the European phase of slave raiding in Africa by attacking a sleeping village in 1444 and carting away the survivors to work for free in Europe.

    The first act against Africa by Whites was an unilateral act of war, announced or unannounced. There were no African Kings or Queens in any of the European countries nor in the U.S. when ships set sail for Africa to capture slaves for profit.

    Whites had already decided to raid for slaves. They didn’t need our agreement on that. Hence, there was no mutuality in the original act. The African so-called slave “trade” was a demand-driven market out of Europe and America, not a supply-driven market out of Africa.

    We did not seek to sell captives to the Whites as an original act. Hollywood s favorite is showing Blacks capturing Blacks into slavery, as if this was the only way capture occurred. There are a number of ways in which capture occurred. Let s dig a little deeper into this issue.

    NOW, _A_ this is VERY IMPORTANT!
    —-
    Chancellor Williams, in his classic work, The Destruction of Black Civilization, explains that after the over land passage of African trade had been cut off at the Nile Delta by the White Arabs in about 1675 B.C. (the Hyksos), the Egyptian/African economy was thrown into a recession.
    —-
    There is even indication of “pre-historic” aggression upon Africa by White nomadic tribes (the Palermo Stone). As recession set in the African Government began selling African prisoners of war and criminals on death row to the White Arabs.

    This culminated as an unfortunate trade, in that, when the White Arabs attacked, they had the benefit of the knowledge and strength of Africans on their side, as their slaves. This is a significantly different picture than the propaganda that we sold our immediate family members into slavery to the Whites.– Oscar L. Beard, “Did We Sell Ourselves into Slavery?”

    to be continued…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/angelarnold20031/ angelarnold20031

    her apology was not sincere…what she WAS sorry for is that it got out and has gotten this much attention. she didnt mean for THAT to happen. should she lose her job though?????? yes and no….
    yes – she should most certainly lose the job that is oming her way…all cushy.
    no- force her to work, make her move to an underpovershed side of town and help the less fortunate…PRO BONO.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    what’s interesting is whites never talk about HOW they sold other white folk into slavery…they have a very selective memory, only remembering those historical tidbits that paint them as HEROES…

    here’s more from Mr. Beard:

    “In reality, slavery is an human institution. Every ethnic group has sold members of the same ethnic group into slavery. It becomes a kind of racism; that, while all ethnic groups have sold its own ethnic group into slavery, Blacks can’t do it. When Eastern Europeans fight each other it is not called tribalism. Ethnic cleansing is intended to make what is happening to sound more sanitary. What it really is, is White Tribalism pure and simple.

    Every notice, _A_ that whites never refer to themselves as “tribes”?..

    The fact of African resistance to European Imperialism and Colonialism is not well known, though it is well doc**ented. Read, for instance, Michael Crowder (ed.), West African Resistance, Africana Publishing Corporation, New York, 1971.

    Europeans entered Africa in the mid 1400 s and early 1500 s during a time of socio-political transition. Europeans chose a favorite side to win between African nations at a war and supplied that side with guns, a superior war instrument.

    In its victory, the African side with guns rounded up captives of war who were sold to the Europeans in exchange for more guns or other barter. Whites used these captives in their own slave raids.

    These captives often held pre-existing grudges against groups they were ordered to raid, having formerly been sold into slavery themselves by these same groups as captives in inter-African territorial wars. In investigating our history and capture, a much more completed picture emerges than simply that we sold each other into slavery.

    The Ashanti, who resisted British Imperialism in a Hundred Years War, sold their African captives of war and criminals to other Europeans, the Portuguese, Spanish, French, in order to buy guns to maintain their military resistance against British Imperialism (Michael Crowder, ed., West African Resistance).

    In 1652, knowing that the indigenous South Africans were no pushovers, Van Riebeeck didn’t waste any time. As soon as the Khoi Khoi returned from hunting, Van Riebeeck accused them of stealing Dutch cattle.

    Simply over that assertion, war broke out, and the superior arms of the Dutch won. South African Historian J. Congress Mbata best explains this dynamic in his lectures, available at the Cornell University Africana Studies Department. Mbata provides three steps: 1) provocation by the Whites, 2) warfare and, 3) the success of a superior war machinery.

    There are several instances in which Cecil Rhodes, towards the end of the 19th Century, simply demonstrated the superiority of the Maxim Machine Gun by mowing down a corn field in a matter of minutes.

    Upon such demonstrations the King and Queen of the village, after consulting the elders, signed over their land to the Whites. These scenarios are quite different from the Hollywood version, and well doc**ented.

    It has been important to present the matters above to dispel the notion of an African slave trade that involved mutuality as a generalized dynamic on the part of Africans. If we can accept the doc**ented facts of our history above and beyond propaganda, we can begin to heal. We can begin to love one another again and go on to regain our liberties on Earth.” — Oscar L. Beard

    sorry about the long posts, but it paints a more accurate and entirely different picture that whites have painted of how slavery began..

    The FACT is all races of people have sold their prisoners of war into slavery, this is VASTLY different than Africans selling their neighbors, sisters, aunts, or fathers and mothers…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ angelarnold20031

    I agree, her apology was not sincere BUT i doubt she would benefit from working with poor black folks. Don’t they have enough problems without having to deal with another white phony? lol

    No, sister, black poverty and suffering is nothing new, and we must get to the point where we understand that we can’t shame, or pity racism out of existence. Black folk have begged, cried, bled, loved, pleaded, marched, waiting, suffered, and died to get them to accept and respect our humanity.

    Now, sis, it is time for US to get off our knees and start respecting ourselves. Start to do for ourselves. Start to rely on ourselves, build our integrity, become black men and women who can be trusted and relied upon, and set an example for our children, that they don’t have to be on their knees, begging for what they have a right to receive…

    We need to pick up our books, learn our history lesson and turn over a new page of NOT BEGGING ANYONE TO ACCEPT US and start loving and cherishing ourselves…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/angelarnold20031/ angelarnold20031

    @ crammasters…where did I say that by her helping us it would make us better???? I said she should offer assistance PRO BONO. No one mentioned US not helping US…I totally agree that WE as a people need to stop blaming others for our problems and help EACHOTHER…not look for handouts BUT, put her down there and help those whom she so “eloquently” downed. Force her to offer her help and legal assistance to those who are less fortunate. TEACH us how to…HELP us. Yeah,, she is phony but there are blacks who are just as phony but we dont see it because of the color of thier skin…we want to blame someone else for being phony. True, WE ars a race needs to start helping one another, respecting one another…BUT…if we can get PRO BONO help…someone to help teach, someone that WE can also teach…then by all means.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    crammasters, “Proceed with extreme caution and some self respect”

    Yes indeed…Thats what the ‘DELETE’ and ‘BLOCK member’ functions are for…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ angelarnold20031

    didn’t mean to preach or put words in your mouth…

    sister — now this is ME speaking for myself — I’m tired of trying to teach white folks anything. We have spent too much time, too many tears, and have spilled too much blood when they already know they don’t want us to be equal to them. I don’t know more clear they can be…

    however, I respect your right to disagree… me — I’m done…all my energies are going into teaching MY folks something that will get that big foot off our necks

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    @Crammasters. Some very detailed information there. That will always dispel all the revisionist, selective memorization being spewed by XS(mall)_611. He reminds me of children who when confronted about their transgressions, starts to tell you all the things their brother or sister may have done that deserves equal punishment. It appears XS_611 has never grown out of that child like stage. Sorry XS_611, you will have to save those weak games for your next Klan meeting, because most of the people here are far too intelligent to fall for that devilish trick of yours.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    i thought his monniker was XL_611, not XS_611…?
    (you know he’s gonna get u for that…lol)

    i know I posted a lot, didn’t mean to bog down this board, but I thought it was important to put it out there — even if it was off topic — because I hear BLACK folks saying the same thing some white folks say about Africans selling us into slavery.

    Africans did not just “sell” us into slavery, they usually sold the people they defeated during a war – which is something ALL RACES did at one time or another, including EUROPEANS. That’s the way wars were conducted then

    Also, many times Europeans kidnapped Africans without ANY help from Africans, also, European slave KIDNAPPERS/Traders took advantage of the political instability in Africa at the time, most of it CREATED by Europeans, much the way it is in Africa RIGHT NOW, with Europeans arming rival factions and helping them to rape and slaughter each other, so the Europeans TODAY can go in and take over and steal the land and natural resources

    This is why i keep telling black folks NOTHING HAS CHANGED, it’s the same old GAME, and all these “we are the world” black folks who think because they can sit next to white folks on a train or in a restaurant OR have a white folk in their beds — makes them EQUAL to white folks — are in for a RUDE & PAINFUL awakening, cause the GAME is changing and black folks are getting PUSHED OFF the educational AND employment train right the hell now…and don’t see it what is happening…

    because they are so in love with their oppression, they are DEAD asleep..and the sleeping pill is named Obama…with his election, they are convinced that white america has finally “seen the light” and now accepts black folks as equals and everything is about to be “a-ok”…

    the black folks who fought and died for OUR so-called civil rights, are turning over in their graves to see how passive and unwilling today’s black folks have become…losing everything and won’t even stand up and ADMIT that it is happening..it’s a damn shame…sorry for the rant…peace out!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    crammasters, “because they are so in love with their oppression, they are DEAD asleep..and the sleeping pill is named Obama”…

    You know you trying to start an E-War with this one!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    I want to add one more black bone to the white soup regarding black reparations….

    If the JEWS can get reparations for 12 years, the descendants of slavery DESERVE reparations for 400 YEARS. And let’s not forget that MY TAX DOLLARS, and my parents and grandparents tax dollars went to pay for the reparations of Jews and the Japanese. Hell, my folks didn’t have anything to do with putting Jews and Japanese into concentration camps BUT BLACK folks still had to pay, right?

    So what if some Africans participated in the slave trade? Slavery didn’t make Africa one of the richest nations on earth BUT it certainly made Europe AND America super rich. In fact, neither nation would be as powerful right now, had it NOT been for the slave labor of MILLIONS of enslaved AFRICANS…

    AIG, Aetna, Lloyd’s of London, JP Morgan Chase Manhattan Bank, are just a FEW of the huge corporations that STILL exist to this day — benefited from slavery.

    Now name me ONE African multi-national corporation that benefited from slavery OR one corporation owned by black Africans that began during slavery and is STILL STANDING…

    There were Jews who profited from the Holocaust, but do the Jews bring that up and say, “hey, since some Jews did the wrong thing, let the Nazis off the hook?”

    Don’t fall for the hype of these black lackeys, like Harvard Professor Gates, who is paid to do his white masters’ dirty work. Funny thing, for all the loyalty he has shown them over the years, if I remember correctly, the police handcuffed you like a common criminal, didn’t they, Professor Gates?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ Cali

    Baby, the war has already BEGUN…but the real revolution won’t be televised…

    I can take any outraged O fan’s flames which ain’t hard to dodge — when the folks are half-asleep, anyway…

    kind of like the gangbangers who shoot out of speeding cars, guns held upside down, and can’t hit a damn thing they aiming at…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/_A_/ _A_

    “There were Jews who profited from the Holocaust, but do the Jews bring that up and say, “hey, since some Jews did the wrong thing, let the Nazis off the hook?”

    BEAUTIFUL.

    The fact is, all modern day blacks have ever known is oppression. To them it’s not oppression, but just the way life is. How many times will you hear old folks say that you have to work twice as hard just to be looked at as equal. If that’s the case, doesn’t that suggest that the deck is indeed stacked against you? If the response is yes, then I would ask, why aren’t we working twice or 3x as hard to CHANGE that system? Why are working twice as hard, to be accepted into an unjust system? Conversely, modern day whites have never known anything but white supremacy, this is why technically, they are ALL white supremacists. That’s not to say all desire to hang you from a tree etc. because as you stated (and reminded me) some whites recognize this phenomenon, and will even work to reverse it (C.U.R.E). But for people like XS_611 who has had the benefit of being a part of a supremacist system his entire life, it’s really just an after though to him, and this is what makes it a trivial matter in his mind, or as he thinks, something illusionary in ours. Imagine a child that has grown up with money his entire life (proverbial silver spoon) after a while money is just an after thought in his daily and since he has never known a day without it, he can and will always downplay the importance of it. Take those billions away though and see how quickly the perspective changes. Same principle applies. Put these people on the other side of the fence, and the viewpoints change. Ok, XS_611 is going on the “do not reply” list. I’m no longer interested in debating him, because at the end of the day, the struggle transcends these simpletons!

    p.s. Lets see what corny response he has to my changing his name.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    excellent points!
    —-
    Some black folks NEED to be accepted by white folk. Why? Because whites own and control everything, we are programmed from babies watching Sesame Street, from children watching superheroes and cartoons, from the educational system where history was rewritten to make us think that everything of any importance was done by THEM, to the adult entertainment, where blacks who “make it” can’t wait to get a white spouse.

    White folks are the ones who give us an education, give us a car loan, a home loan, their faces are burned in our brain as THE ONE, and even got us worshiping the SAME white Jesus that the slaveowners used to make slaves passive…

    we are walking imitations, the result of the negro experiment begun during slavery and some of us, like some slaves, DO NOT WANT TO LIVE THAT PLANTATION because it’s all they know..

    our minds have been broken the way a horse is broken, to obey, to accept whatever we are given and be grateful for it, and then

    there are those of us who seek the truth, who want to be free, who want to be whole and clean of that madness of loving our oppressors…

    and so we shall see which camp wins in the end: the integrators who don’t want to leave the plantation) and those who seek to be whole, free and self-respecting..

    whites are OUR frame of reference, who and what we compare ourselves to.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ _A_

    that was a great analogy you gave, of a rich person who takes money for granted and tells poor folks money is the root of all evil UNTIL the day he or she LOSES all that money — and then all hell breaks loose, bodies start flying out of windows, guns put to the temple, tears aflowing..lol

    and comparing that to racism and white privilege, taking that for granted, getting all the benefits from those who are excluded, telling those who are excluded that it is their imagination, and they need to “work harder”

    until the day when those privileges don’t exist, and some black person wins something over a white person — then all hell breaks loose, all of a sudden it’s “reverse racism!” — and bodies start flying out of windows, guns aimed at black folks’ temples, tears aflowing…

    or when the elites do average white folk the way they been doing black folk for decades, taking their jobs, and homes, and cars and futures, and then all hell breaks loose, bodies start flying out of windows, guns put to their kids’ temples, because know they know what it’s like…

    to be treated like a n8gger…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Jahz_Lynx1/ Jahz_Lynx1

    My comment is awaiting moderation but I posted on my page, click my name to go to my page.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Jahz_Lynx1/ Jahz_Lynx1

    To: crammasters…I’m not outraged, I’m just testing the waters of social networking and civil protest. Did you read the article:

    TUTORIAL: How To Promote Civil Protests On Facebook And BlackPlanet

    http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/tutorial-how-to-promote-your-events-on- facebook-and-blackplanet/

    If you think Grace would make a good public defender or judge for you or a family memeber, no action is required.
    ____________________________________________________________________
    From: crammasters
    Sis, i understand your outrage but we need to understand that she is the majority and so no energy should be wasted getting upset over what we already know to be true

    what we have to do now is decide how we can come together as black people to create our own institutions and break our dependence on the European

    they are not going to change, we must face that and then we must do the hard, hard work of fixing ourselves..

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Chocolate_Gul/ Chocolate_Gul

    She is not sorry!! She was so sure of herself in her email. Ummm I highly doubt she changed her views in that short amount of time. It is going to take more than the dean releasing a statement for her to seriously change her “real” views on African American’s intelligence.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    Interesting historical accounts, no doubt. But, something tells me the portugese and spanish, might have had it in for blacks, for reasons other than they were simply living in paradise, all amicably and peacefully with themselves and te world, until the europeans showed up. I wonder what those reasons might be?

    At any rate, people should simply search, “African Kings” and see what you come up with. I mean, for one thing. I mean, these were by no means whatsover, peaceful and loving. LOL.

    Just ask the spanish and portugese BEFORE 1400………LMAO

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/CaliFemme23/ CaliFemme23

    _A_/Crammasters,

    You brothas are so on point and in sync with one another its like reading ONE person’s thoughts…
    IMPRESSIVE, INSPIRING!

    Keep it comin’, I’m trying to get LETHAL with the knowledge…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mukeye/ mukeye

    She only apologised because she was exposed. Now imagine if she were assigned to represent a Black client. Would she ever do justice to the person given how low she thinks of us and considering how overrepresented we already are are in the criminal-justice system?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ Cali

    baby girl, u already lethal…

    we’re taking notes from you…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/crammasters/ crammasters

    @ mukeye

    her attitude explains why so many black folk are in jail and white folk on house arrest, probation, and “community service”…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Alicia5670/ Alicia5670

    I knew it!!! I freaking knew it…You don’t have to be smart to get into Harvard!!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/XL_611/ XL_611

    Alicia. You’re not supposed to be smart to go to any college. You’re supposed to be smart after you get out tho…

    LOL

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Johnny_Walker/ Johnny_Walker

    This made the news? Where have I been?

    As others have already stated, this girl meant every word she said, and gave what she thought was informative proof for her assertions. The thing is, she’s so “smart” that she even stated the real reason for the test-score disparity for Blacks ($$$$, class), but glossed over it to make her ‘point’ about skin color/genes.

    In any case, it doesn’t surprise me that is happened…this is Harvard Law we’re talking about here.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MR_NANASTROKER/ MR_NANASTROKER

    Let’s not 4get the REAL HOLOCAUST

    in Africa while that fagg Mussolini was slaughtering millions of Africans with gunplay

    Frances Cress W. has defined the gun as no other has and the equivalent 2 this Queens concerns informs me of the REAL WAR and who my enemy has been while I have been within the context of this Nation trying 2 generate Wealth, Love, Adornment, respect, Solidarity & Humanity

    my brother from chicago Steve Cokely has also preached this since as early as 1993

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BrotherJohnOfDallas/ BrotherJohnOfDallas

    I wouldn’t waste any time being offended by this student’s statements. Some young people at that age tend to think the world is black and white, when experience and maturity tell you its actually gray in many areas. Mix in an ivy league education, and such arrogance gets locked in. I do, however, believe she should at least postpone clerking on the 9th Circuit until at least 2012, and she should perhaps tour the country, meeting African American professionals and intellectuals, then hopefully reconsider her beliefs. Based on her writings, I can tell she has the propensity to think very well, but her logic is flawed on many fronts – for instance, she should perhaps go to medical school to learn the basic concepts of genetics, and the limits of understanding this complex topic, as well as neurology and studies of the brain. Having said that, can some sinister scientist purposely damage genes and make things seem genetic? Just a question for thought. Scientists have already mapped the human genome.

    Sincerely,

    A Genetically Intelligent African American Businessman

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Lew708/ Lew708

    This is just the type of people we have in our justice system who gets APPOINTED on a DAILY BASIS to people of color who do not have money for representation. Oh! They’re sitting on the bench with the black robe and gavel also. I do not think that she is SORRY! She is sorry for getting caught though! Stephanie, there is no need to apologize for showing your TRUE SELF to people! This is part of that WHITE PRIVILEGE that is afforded to you- You get to be THAT IGNORANT and STILL attend Harvard! That WHITE PRIVILEGE allows you to graduate Harvard as a C average student, abuse alcohol and cocaine, and become President of the United States! That WHITE PRIVILEGE allows you to threaten the black President’s life under the guise of fighting for democracy and bring weapons to a so called peaceful demonstration without even a PEEK at your background! You are WHITE Stephanie! No need to apologize! ENJOY YOUR WHITE PRIVILEGE! I truly hope that the black students of Harvard does not accept this apology! SHE’S SAVING FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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