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The issue of reverse discrimination first reached the nation’s highest court in the 1970s, when a student with good grades named Allan Bakke accused a University of California medical school of twice denying him admission because he was white.

Strict racial quotas were unconstitutional, the court said – affirmative action was not. But that ruling far from decided what many considered the big-picture issue: does protecting minorities discriminate against the majority?

More than 30 years, and scores of lawsuits later, the question remains unanswered. Meanwhile, more Americans came to believe that affirmation action is no longer necessary, and that instead of leveling the playfield for minorities, it unfairly punishes whites.

Last week, the Supreme Court heard arguments in a case filed by white firefighters who claimed they were denied promotion because of the color of their skin.

“The laws that Congress wrote are clear – everyone is protected from racial discrimination,” said Roger Clegg, president of the Center for Equal Opportunity, a conservative think tank that advocates eliminating race and ethnic considerations. “Not just blacks, but whites. Not just Latinos, but whites.”

Those who favor affirmative action say race divisions still exist in this country, 40 years after the civil rights movement.

“Race so permeates society that you can’t ignore it,” said Dennis Parker, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Racial Justice Project.

Several states have recently faced legal battles waged by whites claiming they were unfairly treated in favor of protecting and promoting blacks and Hispanics.

Earlier this month in South Carolina, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued a historically black college on behalf of three white faculty members who complained they were forced from or denied jobs because of their race.

Simultaneously, federal officials said they had reached a settlement agreement, with Benedict College paying $55,000 to each instructor, including an art teacher who said she was denied promotion in favor of a black professor. The institution denied the accusations.

Last week, a white woman in Texas filed a federal lawsuit against an assisted-living center, contending she was discriminated against and harassed by Hispanics because she didn’t speak Spanish.

And in Florida, two transportation companies sued Broward County over efforts to steer public contracts to minority-owned businesses. The firms, which had provided car service for the handicapped and the elderly, claimed they were paid lower fees than other contractors because they didn’t comply with affirmative action requirements.

Affirmative action – policies designed to promote and protect groups previously and currently denied equal standing – originated with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Broadly speaking, it outlaws bias toward race, creed, color or national origin in school admissions, voting rights, employment and government contracting.

Sometimes those policies have set aside jobs, college admissions and government contracts for minority applicants, students and firms.

“Quotas do not end discrimination. They are discrimination,” Clegg said. “The law makes clear that race, ethnicity and sex are not to be part of who gets a government contract or who gets into a university or where someone goes to school.”

But there is wide disagreement on whether case law is clear at all.

In the Bakke case, the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that universities could take race and ethnicity into account when deciding student admissions. But using rigid racial quotas to increase minorities on campus was unconstitutional, justices said.

In 1987, the high court said temporary and “narrowly tailored” quota systems were allowed. The case stemmed from an affirmative action plan that imposed a promotion standard of “one black for one white” in the Alabama state police ranks. The quota was justified, justices ruled, because of the department’s “long and shamefulrecord of delay and resistance” to black employment opportunities.

Twenty years later, a more conservative court declared that public school systems cannot try to achieve or maintain integration based on explicit race rules. In a 5-to-4 opinion, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote “the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” At issue in the case were programs in Seattle and Louisville, Ky., that tried to maintain racial diversity by limiting transfers and admissions.

“The Supreme Court case law isn’t clear. There aren’t bright lines and clear guidance,” said attorney Deborah Archer, director of the Racial Justice Project at New York Law School. “It’s very difficult to extract a rule from those cases that can be applied across the board.”

Instead, “they have tended to be concerned with a specific aspect, and the decisions are made on case-by-case basis,” said Archer, whose group filed a friend-of-the-court brief for the city of New Haven, Conn., the defendant in last week’s Supreme Court hearing.

In its first consideration of race under the presidency of Barack Obama, a divided court heard arguments from white firemen claiming the city discriminated against them by jettisoning the results of a promotion exam that no blacks had passed.

The city contends it got rid of the test results because it was concerned that no African-American firefighters, and only two Hispanics, received passing scores. Officials said they worried the test was somehow flawed because it had such a disproportionate effect on minorities.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, as is common on social issues, appeared to have the swing vote. He questioned why the city didn’t weigh the test against a clear standard before deciding it was deficient and setting it aside.

That is the key legal question – can the test and its results legally be thrown out after the fact?

“Suppose an employer looked out the window and saw a line of Hispanics applying for jobs?” asked attorney Michael Rosman of the Center for Individual Rights, another group opposing affirmative action. “Suppose he told his secretary to cancel the interviews because he didn’t like who was lined up outside? No one would argue that wasn’t racial discrimination.”

Others say that scenario misses the point.

“We like to believe there is an equal playing field. In fact, there isn’t,” said Parker of the ACLU. “In this country, whites are still advantaged in many ways. You can say we shouldn’t take race into consideration, but that just continues the advantage.”

The deep divide over who needs help – and at what price – mirrors the equally deep racial divisions that still exist, Parker said.

“Clearly there have been changes. We have a black president. But if I were to go into any office on Wall Street, I think it would be hard to deny that white people aren’t getting jobs. You wouldn’t see a lot of black people and women,” he said.

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/laid_back_n_chillin/ laid_back_n_chillin

    Whites now feel what we’ve and other minorities have experienced….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/get_wit_eman/ get_wit_eman

    if they do a statistical breakdown of white’s incomes to blacks across the country, that would solve the question of why Minorities NEED to keep having affirmative action.

    How is it whites make more money than blacks, but yet there’s NO discrimination against minorities…LOL this is a Joke for real, and white people always up to no good!! as usual…SMDH

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/EyeSelf/ EyeSelf

    White privilege rears its ugly head again… when blacks and other minorities were unabashedly & systematically discriminated against, a lawsuit wasn’t an option because it wasn’t illegal to do so. Now that discrimination is illegal, whites are looking to cash in. Whites don’t know the true meaning of “discrimination” yet. Until whites are enslaved for hundreds of years, removed from their native lands, systematically oppressed, denied equal education, equal pay & equal access to medical treatment, the right to vote, the right to patronize the same businesses as other races, etc etc (I could go on), these lawsuits are totally without merit.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/DSPENCE86/ DSPENCE86

    BOUT WHITES FEEL THE PAIN HAHA

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Anthropological/ Anthropological

    We need to think ahead, because we are not the largest racial/ethnic group in the country any more. And what is going to happen is that there are going to be aslew of jobs that we black americans will not be qualified for because of our race and our inability to speak spanish.
    I think that the catering to Latinos in the market place, will be the biggest problem our community will face in the coming years…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/pbgtec/ pbgtec

    I would like to have seen the makeup of the exam takers… thats whats missing from this article. I’m guessing that since its Connecticut a lot more whites showed up than blacks to begin with. And if you passed… why complain.. take it again and you should pass it again. If the theory is that blacks and hispanics couldnt pass it because they aren’t smart enough, then the whites shouldnt have a problem with a dumbed down test. The real problem is more than likely the same problem the FDNY (NY Fire Dept) had and continues to have. Friends and family members who are in the department already, give tips and advice on the test, and in some cases practice tests. Putting the rest of the average people (the minorities without connections) at an unfair advantage. Then they wounder why only the whites keep passing the test and not any of the minorities. Cronyism is part of the problem in these types of cases. But, when whites come out and bring court cases it makes them look like idiots and cry babies. I’ve explained many times to whites who don’t get the idea of affirmative action that all they need to do is imagine their life without equal opportunity. I’m actually kind of happy about the downturn in the economy because it’s given them a chance to feel things not through racism…. but through the new ‘ism that affects all… classism.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/omegas3/ omegas3

    application denied b***hes!!!! lmao.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BackShots23/ BackShots23

    Ive read all these post and honestly none of you guys make any sense here. All I am hearing from you people are reasons why white people are still racist and harbor negative feelings toward blacks. In the case of the firefighters everybody was given the same study guide, the same studying opportunity and if no blacks passed then thats their fauilt. The thing is black people view any criticism toward them by a non black as racism. If a white and black guy get in an argument the black guy will yell racism. Its a damn shame

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/RellyRel05/ RellyRel05

    White women also benefit from affirmative action…in fact they benefit the most. But nobody ever mentions that when they’re trying to rid the world of affirmative action. How many women, white or black, would be in careers other than teachers and nurses if there wasnt affirmative action?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/VANITY666BONET/ VANITY666BONET

    exactly backshot but these people here know they are not that damn bright or qualified for a job.They are basically a quota and thats it.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/s3xigreeneyemami/ s3xigreeneyemami

    I think its funny now that there is a black president, the black race is going crazy. It seems to me each black person thinks they can now do no wrong. It scares me to know how things may turn out. Its unfortunate that there is still racism in the world. But racism goes both ways. Look at these comments, black people hate white people too.
    One thing I would like to point out, not one of you were brought over to the US against your will, not one of you were bought, used as slaves etc…perhaps your ancestors, but not you yourself. So get off that ban wagon already!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/cdukes69/ cdukes69

    First thing first what is reverse discrimination, if discrimination exists then it is discrimination because of the meaning of the word in its self. There for their can not be reverse discrimination. No case sound the gavel.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mrfun50/ mrfun50

    I am African American male and I am all for racial harmony. I do not believe in Affirmative Action. My grandfather was a doctor as well as his brother in law.They were doing their studies back in the 20′s in the 20′s and they were black. Blacks need to get off the pot about what happened long before they were even born. I was so sick and tired of hearing about Obama will do this for blacks and do that. He is for the PEOPLE.Some even made the very stupid statement that he will give the blacks retribution from what happened during the days of slavery. There are no surviving slaves on this earth that I can think of and if there were they would have a lot more sense than todays blacks. I am now 50 and I remember the civil rights movement and yes it was a sad state of affairs of what happened but now it is 2009 soon to be 2010 and its high time that blacks stop looking back and think about the future. Like that old say you can’t move forward if you are constantly looking back.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/malaci1st/ malaci1st

    It’s a shame how whites in America uses Obamas’ success as an instrument to promote the most subtle form of racist views. Never had I heard so many direct and indirect negative comments about any black man that’s shown so much loyalty to this country. Bush destroyed the image of this country, killed innocent kids, women, and elderly because of his lack if intellect and care and respect for others. America forgot about that, huh? When blacks speak against racism whites say they are trouble makers and we’re left standing there because the majority/or courts on every level have a dual system. Now whites are offended when blacks have something to believe in or someone to believe in. If it wasn’t for us-decendants of slaves this country would still have years to develope because no one race could adapt to labor and harsh treatment as the Africans had. There are hardly any jobs left and who you think will get the job first? Who’s face is at the front door when you apply for a job? The Majority! Racist or should I say consevatives, relax, sit down, quit complaining drink some lemonade and let us do our job. That’s how ya’ll wanted it right?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/malaci1st/ malaci1st

    Furthermore, it seems those who are screaming for attention and has jumped on the get rich quick band-wagon by tring to be heard if they speak loud enough against anything blacks are doing that’s positive. It’s 2009 not 1209. Blacks are intelligent, dominant, good leaders, competitors, lawyers, doctors, educators, students but most important American Men and Women and never scared.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/panamaniak/ panamaniak

    Please,spare me.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/jason_m1/ jason_m1

    Without a doubt there is still discrimination in this country, and it occurs on both sides of the fence in this issue. You can argue that quota’s are needed to adress the issue of discrimination, but in addressing that issue it seems that many firms and universities have accepted a policy of preference for minorities over whites (reverse discrimination.)
    All I know is that you can not have true racial equality and harmony (if that is truly the goal), if one group benefits at the expense of another. Yes, there have been past injustices and wrongs, but how to redress them is something we have to take another look at.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/xxxfreakboyx/ xxxfreakboyx

    who cares? I know I dont.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/muhamado_adamdjalo/ muhamado_adamdjalo

    first of all my name is adam djalo from guinea bissau,despite of being an african but in fact i want to share my idea on this issue.
    there no reason for that feeling caz thing will not stay the same for ever so they have to be patient and learn to see a balck president caz it is no longer a dream but reality, and he will not be the last.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/HASFORD1970/ HASFORD1970

    hi ladies and gentlemen i thought it very wise that, we should let by-gone be by-gone and move forword. I am saying this because , if we say we are thinking what is past i think may be we will always cry but there is a saying WHO JAH BLESS NO ONE KESS and a thing for you never lost god so good have proved his convenant so we shouldn,t worry so much about racism again.Infact we are in a modern world which we both BLACK AND WHITE have understood our selves that, we are all one people and whatever happens in this world .if you really believes in God you should know that it is the will of God.Even now We the Africans bring our selves to the white begging them to leave with them. So we should stop thinking back and look forword. may god bless this world. Amen. Emmanuel Ghana

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/birddawg2001/ birddawg2001

    We have to look at ourselves first. to many of our own people have abused the system so much. I guess it’s their turn now.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/GreenNavyWife09/ GreenNavyWife09

    Racisim still exist and will continue to exist in this narrow minded country of ours. I dont know what “Whites” have to complain about, they get first pick and the best of everything. So why complain that for the minority(the rest of us “Non-whites”)there are a LIMITED number of jobs and college seats set aside for “Us”. I mean give me a break. Then look at the supreme court, how many minorities sit on that bench? How can they decide on any “racial” issue fairly? Obama was blessed, but they didnt even wont him as President, not because of his so called “lack of experience” because clearly George W. Bush is the BIGGEST mistake this country EVER elected and he was suppositely “qualified”. They did not want Obama because of the color of his skin, bottom line. “So let them eat cake” as Marie Antoinette put it or in other words go kick rocks!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/qballer45/ qballer45

    That is a bunch of Bull S**t they want what they want anyway they can get it! We Fall But We Get Right Back Up.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/definer/ definer

    Folks,

    Get over the hatred. I’m a white man with 5 adopted black children between the ages of 16 and 7. With the attitudes a number of you have it’s obvious that “hate the sin, love the sinner” was NEVER part of you Sunday school class. I’ve seen racism. Try walking into a Walmart as an older white man with 5 black kids and see the reaction you get – from BOTH sides.

    Racism will always exist but learning to live together is the only answer. discrimination is wrong regardless of the direction. Until we get that in our heads these assinine discussions will continue. My grandparents and great grandparents never owned a slave – hell they hardly owned the land that they farmed. Don’t hold ME accountable for the sins of SOMEONE else’s fathers.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Cialis_85/ Cialis_85

    What? Seriously? There is NO such thing as reverse racism. Racism on any race by any other race is racism. This article is stupid…no offense to whoever wrote it, I just think it’s stupid. Mt husband is racist against Asians (not me), what would you call him? A reverse racist? No! He’s a racist, flat out no sugar coating it.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/SWEETASSUG/ SWEETASSUG

    Regardless if we as people of color put the question of race behind us. Their is always a constant reminder. Like this topic posted for one and many others on a daily basic. It is always something with white people it doesn’t suprised me at all , if it was all left up to them we would be in the cotton fields lol. And as the person said white people has the best of both worlds so what are you complaining about. Racism will always be their through generation to generation its being taught to their kids..

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/the28soldier/ the28soldier

    When I was in high school we were given a pre SAT practice test. If you were of a minority or a woman it was free. If you were a white male it was $25. That seems like discrimination to me.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/whigboy9/ whigboy9

    Im sure whites are being discriminated against. Unfortunately when you do the math minorities are taking the bulk of unfair treatment when compared to whites. The problem should be addressed but world does have bigger problems.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/BeautyTH88/ BeautyTH88

    im so SICK of black people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who killin who!!!!!!!!!! ok so y im hearin bout blacks and whites when its really black people out 2 get each other!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! leave it alone

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mnwide8/ mnwide8

    Having been closely associated with Human resources for a state agency, I would have to say reverse discrimination does exist. Not against whites, but against white males. There is no “quota”, however there are diversity guidelines which must be met and supervisors are “encouraged” to hire people who fit a “diverse” group when those guidelines are not met. Those groups include minority by color, women, handicapped.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/rastadude7/ rastadude7

    No one likes to feel discriminated against(of course) yet no one seems to have a problem being “preferred”. Caucasians generally want the WORLD to not seek reciprocity for the past/ present evil deeds of “their”ancestors EVER. Don’t be fooled!!! Thank you from Denver,CO.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/ceecole/ ceecole

    I thikk that if you eliminate the section of applications that require individuals to state what race or creed thay are and just go with the qualifications and just state american or other Because if you are a second or third gen I concider you to be a American no matter what your complection .

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/patdishere/ patdishere

    Hello, I am Patdishere, and I would like to make a comment, I am American, not Black, White, Hispanic, Chinese,Japenese,African,Russian,,Haitian, or any other race or culture……Just American…I hate discrimination and the fighting between races and cultures…this article at places makes it sound as if Blacks and hispanics and whites are THE only races…plus it makes blacks appear to be less smart than whites…It is my opinion that applications should not be allowed to ask, what is your race,color, religion, but be solely based on your qualifications…I do feel that new immigrants,no matter from what country,have a significant barrier to cross, even if they know fluent English, because the english languaguage is tricky….and those of us born here and those immigrated here for a long period of years, know the meaning of words and phrases..are we careful enough as employers to make sure these trick questions are not included on test forms?, I think not..I realize sometimes they are used to test recognition and thought processes but there often is more than one right answer….I live in a part of Illinois, in a small country town, where there are no blacks…we have Mexicans..it is a town where blacks are actively discouraged from living here…So I admit I am limited as what racism is like in a big city…I have no black friends,except on the internet, so I do not know how they actively think…I am not against having black friends…oops there it is, just what I do not want and I hate..race enters in,,,,we are all Americans…want to know if I think Obama is good for our country…Yes so far he is doing a difficult job well…but talk about racial division..news media tend to broadcast,Michelle at schools which are all or mostly black, is this racial division in itself? I see President Obama and Hillary Clinton, working well together….He was careful to keep a racial balance..I am well aware of the racial tension in this country…I hate the fear that tension causes…..If I were younger,and not hindered by arthritis , I would actively seek out to tALK TO BLACK ACTIVISTS and se if I , in my own mind, could understand racism from a black perspective..I have one black friend who lives in Philadelphia, that I met because he is the cousin of an internet friend in Africa..we used to talk a lot on the phone and he and I started to become friends, but because he is a legal,African immigrant, our understanding of each other has become strained,my misunderstanding or his, I am not sure, but I do know he made me aware of racism of the black community there against the black immigrant community…this was an aspect of racism I had never before considered…I know of a young black girl who is illegally here after her visa expired, and talking to her on the phone, I can actively feel the distrust she has of me, because I am white and an American citizen…..Illegal Immigrants…..I would be interested in hearing your views on that volitile subject….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/au-dree/ au-dree

    i am a white woman i have 3kids who’s dads are black.. i started my fisrt relationship with a black guy when i was only 13 years old he was my first teenage love. we both saw our share of racism,at that time mostly from whites it was the year 1988. man i got called all kinds of names. see i wasn’t one of those white girls wo hid it i wore it proudly, i was a young girl who felt much love for this guy.of’course lot of those teenage loves come to a end and it did after about 3 years, but i found myself only attracted to black men. i don’t consider my self aperson who hated my own race or someone who was out to steal black men away from their own race, for me it was just all i had known. now many years later i’m a single mom bringing up three kids of my own. they are my life!!! we have got raccism from both ends. kids pick up what they hear at home and their words can sting.. me my skin is pretty tough but when it comes to my kids i don’t play! see i’m not one of those white women who sit with my mouth shut, i’m going to say what i feel if needed , with no regrets. i live my life at home with my family and racism is the last thing on my mind, but when i walk out in public , yeah i see some share, so what? yeah i just came across a group of chic’s in a store who were black, i didn’t think nothing of it til one of them looked at my nine year old daughter then at me shook her head and said something under her breath, i cuuldn’t make what was really said but you get the point , man i had to take a deep the breath my daughter didn’t even realize what had taken place i didn’t want to upset her but at the same time i wanted to flip.they left out, man to this day im tick off, how dare someone judge me or make my bussiness their own.. no one belongs to anyone unless by marrige or a relationship. if i’m not messing with their man why should they care who i cared enough about to have my kids with, that’s my family. i love and feel just like the next person. i,ve seen it from both ends whites think that blacks are all into crime and drugs,they think alot of them are dirty and lazy and on welfare, but alot of blacks think whites are dirty, nasty ,that white girls give up their money to their men and etc… but let me fill you in it’s some of what i named in both races. it’s all about how you were brought up and the people we choose to be.. yes racism is very much alive in alot of different kinds of people, i’m proud to sayi im racism free some people say that everyone has a little racism in them if that’s true than i’m only racist towards racist.. i’m a white woman and i can raise my kids to be very proud of who they are and strong in who they are, never ashamed of any part that makes them who thet are. everyone needs to just live their own lives, and if racism affects your life in anyway find some peace in knowing yourself and what you are about not what others think they know, some people are so narrow minded for real..

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/WifeyRee/ WifeyRee

    All of this is just ridiculous! Everyone needs to just ge over it! Obama is the president and he is biracial. White people have so called ran the world for years and years and soon as a Black man gets in office it has to be some racial crap to go with it! You bigots, and racist people out there need to shut up and grow up! GET OVER IT!!!!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/GhettoNasty/ GhettoNasty

    There’s NO SUCH thing as reverse discrimation!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/DaveMyers/ DaveMyers

    I’ll start from early on in my evolution I am a biracial man whose father is African-American and mother is Caucasian. My parents met in 1959 when my un-wed mother was in a nursing school where my father was employed as a nurse’s aide. My mother was engaged to a white man who was attending engineering school. My father had an African-American wife and five children at the time of his extra-marital relationship with my mother. At some early point of my mother’s pregnancy with me, she made the decision to marry her fiancé, and to lie to everyone about who the father of her un-born child was. She achieved this by claiming that I had been afflicted with a skin-disease called “melanism.”

    My mother and step-father had four more children together in the space of nine years after I was born, and we grew up together in a middle-class household in white America where the subject of “race” was never discussed. My earliest recollections of having to be aware of race were when I was asked questions about the color of my skin by other classmates in first grade. “Why was my skin dark?”, “Was I adopted?” race was certainly a hot-button issue in 1965-66 when I began school, but any awareness that my mother and step-father had achieved from growing up in their white neighborhoods in the 40′s and 50′s was insufficient to prepare them for raising a biracial child, and to complicate things, they were both in complete denial of their complicity in my mis-education.

    When I came home from school, after having been asked questions by fellow students from my all-white school district, my mother then explained “the skin-disease story” to me… “other kids with this disease usually have dark blotches all over their bodies, so you should feel fortunate”. When I would tell my mother about other boys and girls who would call me names or act aggressively for no apparent reason, I began to understand that I would get no further assistance from her to explain this rationale. My step-father was even more removed from the conversation and would only add, “You know what your mother said”.

    By the time that my step-father transferred jobs and our family of seven had moved from the all-white Cleveland, Ohio suburb of Stow to the all-white school district of Portville in Western up-state N.Y., it was the spring of 1970 and I was in fourth grade, already the veteran of many racial incidents and altercations with classmates and even some adults. My four younger siblings had also been told the same story, and had to explain the same things to their friends when asked why they had a brother who was black… “Hey, did your mother fool around a little bit??” I remember how much that hurt me when I heard it, and I’m sure they felt just as badly when they did… nonetheless, this was a “subject” that we never discussed as a family, not once, at least not in my presence.

    I was taught through my observations of my mother and step-father to keep quiet about things that I wasn’t sure about, and I was also taught to ignore the obvious.

    As I matured into my teen years and began to experience society’s issues and insecurities in coming to terms with this country’s racial in-equalities during the 70′s, I felt an increasing need to rationalize and then codify the information that my mother had given me, regardless of what I was beginning to realize inside… I felt a growing discomfort / conflict, yet there was no one in my life to offer any other perspective. I had learned that black people were a part of society that we didn’t talk about. (There was a black family in our small town, and they were poor and lived in a run-down house near the river. I never had any opportunity or reason to associate with them.)

    I was a “B” student and also began taking an interest in sports where I was above average. Meeting other schools and student athletes were opportunities to then be exposed to populations that had not been told my story yet. I was just another black kid to them.

    Communicating my experiences to my mother and step-father was difficult because they had no experience with racial prejudice, therefore when I had problems with other children, it would be looked at as an issue that “I” had in getting along with others (as well as intra-family sibling issues).

    Because “race” was being ruled-out entirely, by my mother’s denial of my father, she could not logically use that rationale to explain any conflicts that I would have. My step-father’s complicity in this was to blindly support my mother’s viewpoint.

    The “white” viewpoint has always been that blacks (black society) were pretty well cared for, and what contact they did have would be polite and careful. What, with the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts being passed, the playing field had been leveled (as I was informed by my mother and step-father’s generation).

    The feelings and comfort of my mother were apparently what was important, and her inculcation had to have been partly comprised of the idea that white society acted as the gate-keepers and care-takers of an infantilized black population.

    Questions:

    How has black society formed its identity?
    What role models have been used, and how does white society react to positive black role models today? (Are they held to a more critical prism??)
    Is there enough information readily available for black people to easily form a positive racial identity?
    Is it important that black society is able to connect accurately the dots of its social evolution in America? and is it also important that white society can connect those same dots??
    What is White Privilege?
    What is White awareness?
    What is Whiteness?
    What about Affirmative Action?
    Is” Race” a social construct?
    How do we improve our society in America?
    Is there any other way(besides the attrition of the old guard) to achieve this??

    These questions are not rhetorical. I’d like to hear from those of you that have courage and the wherewithal to provide feedback.

    BlackCommentator.com Guest Commentator, Dave Myers, has a website, DiscussRace.com, a site focused on “race relations analysis & solutions.”

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Ms_Tera1/ Ms_Tera1

    This is a bunch of bulls**t, yeah everybody know the reason why this is happening just because of our president. There is alot of people who did not want President Obama to be the chosen 1 but they can get over it because he is already in the white house and he is going to stay there until God says it’s time for him to move. So no matter what people try to do to him or make it hard on the blacks they are doing nothing but setting blacks up for the good. Racism is a part of this world and that’s just one thing we as of the people can never change that because there will always be someone against someone else due to how that person may look or the color of their skin. That’s just the way some people were raised to be like and that’s just their moral belief that we just can’t never change.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/silvervet02/ silvervet02

    Yes! Reverse discrimination is very real. All you have to do is read some of the comments on this page. As long as discrimination is used as a tool to get what one wants, it will never go away. Is is so funny how some refer to God in there writings but yet refer to the white people in such an ugly non-loving way. I am sure God approves of their attitude toward their brothers and sisters. As far as Obama is concerned, if you read all the things being said, you sill see that he was elected soley because of his color and not what he stood for. Now that is really being smart isn’t it?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/SuzyQ38/ SuzyQ38

    There is no such thing as REVERSE discrimination. Discrimination is the SAME no matter your gender, race, creed, or nationality and unfortunately, it is a very real part of our world. As a woman, you can bet I make LESS money than any man in the same industry, is that not discrimation, when I do the same job, possibly even better than most men?? The fact that I am caucasian has nothing to do with it, I still make less money. It’s a fact of life and everyone needs to realize. Unfortunately, despite the best of efforts, discrimination is always going to be a part of our world, no matter who you are….

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/the_nascent/ the_nascent

    all of u are racist, to some degree, but u don’t claim it because you don’t know what it really means. if you DISCRIMINATE against someone based on their race and not on the content of their character based out of facts not opinions or self-defined feelings, YOU ARE RACIST! if you think somebody gets something or should get something because of his/her racist, you think in racism. YOU R RACIST! if you don’t have friends of different racial backgrounds, YOU ARE RACIST. Many are racist and are too ignorant to know that you are. I mean, do you really know what racism is? Do you know when it started in the USA? Racism is a kind of institutionalized prejudice, the racial kind. ALL of you are institutionalized RACIST. If you can’t marry someone who is of another racist, you are racist. if you are not friends with someone of another race, you are racist. if you don’t party with people of other races, you are racist. if you don’t trust people of the other race, you are racist. if you think people of other racist can’t be trusted, you are ignorant and racist. if you think people of other racist or better or worst than you just because they are of another race, you are a certified racist. if you think the qualities that god gave you are not good enough, such as your hair, you are racist!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mthomas3/ mthomas3

    No such thing as reverse discrimination. Understand the “code terminologies” What white people (and misguided black/people of color) are saying are: 1. Blacks shouldn’t get any jobs and 2. There’s no way possible for any black to be more qualified than whites.
    Even with affirmative action, there is NO level playing field. Blacks are still disproportionally more unemployed and underemployed than whites. Without affirmative action or quotas, we would have even less blacks being employed, being in college, etc. Look at the sharp decreases of the black student population in schools where quotas were abolished.

    Also, we need to put to rest that because Obama’s elected to president proves anything. The problems of racism and discrimination are still alive and well. He’s just one person.

    Finally, for the person that said that many voted for Obama because he was black, many whites did NOT vote for him because he was black. So, what’s the difference? For many elections, the only choices we all had were white candidates. So, what’s your point?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/ProBlackfist/ ProBlackfist

    This is all reactionary.racist
    non-sense.
    Obama has not given me a job yet.
    These people are just crazy.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Sexxy_Tequila/ Sexxy_Tequila

    This is to the idiot who said Obama was elected because of his race. Bush was President and what happened???WAR DEMISE OF THE TWIN TOWER BECAUSE HE DID THAT..RECESSION, HIGH GAS PRICES, HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT IN HISTORY. BLACKS WERE CLOSING IN ON THE CRACKERS SO BUSH HAD TO WIDEN THAT GAP AS FAR AS HE COULD.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Sexxy_Tequila/ Sexxy_Tequila

    WHITE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE SO CAT SMART… LOL OKAY IF THAT’S WHAT GETS YOU THROUGH YOUR DAY.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/sexy_mami_218/ sexy_mami_218

    This man has to have some proof that they didn’t hire him because of his race. I have worked at companies were many people said they weren’t hired because of their race, religion, etc. but it didn’t go far because there was no proof. I think to a point we can all be discrimitive, it doesn’t just rest in race, it happens when it comes to women (they get lower pay then white men, which has been proven). So not one set of people should be complaining because we all discriminate wether we want to or not. I’m native american and I don’t sit here and complain about what the white man did to my family because that was the past. I hear that a lot from my kids dad’s family and the past is the past, get over it and go on with your life. My family was put into slavery, my family was raped, and my family’s land was taken from them unfairly. Discrimination will never die.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mthomas3/ mthomas3

    To go along with what I previously said, blacks also need to know that they aren’t inferior; they’re just as qualified and gifted as anyone else.

    There needs to be an appreciation for the many people God created. One ethnic group is NOT better than the other.

    I wish there wasn’t a need for affirmative action or quotas. The sad part is that I don’t have enough confidence in people doing the right things. That’s why we have laws in the first place. Some people won’t do the right things without them. Also, laws also provide consequences for those who don’t want to live by them.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Phillip_The_So_Fine/ Phillip_The_So_Fine

    Man I am so tired of white people using terms like “reverse” discrimination/racism, its just discrimination and racism. Only a elitist group of people would have the nerve to call it reverse or in other words “backwards” if it happens to them, like discrimination is only suppose to happen to “them” not “us”. True “reverse” discrimination would only take place if someone of a majority group applied for a resource (job, housing, education, etc) from a minority owned and empowered entity and was denied based on race.

    They really need to stop crying about affirmative action also, mthomas3 is right, that has not leveled the playing field. Fact is the biggest beneficiary of aa is middle-class white women. Yeah I said it!

    Its like a kid with 10 marbles playing against a kid with 5 marbles crying because somebody came along and gave the other kid an extra marble.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/poetmiester/ poetmiester

    What the hell is reverse discrimination? Since when was it alright to discriminate against non-whites? Now here they’re getting a taste of their own medicine, it’s now reversed? Now that the script has been flipped, they’re crying boo-hoo? Discrimination is discrimination period! Folk and their double-standards and conditions! This is bulls**t!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Papa-Jon/ Papa-Jon

    I’m so sick of people whining about race related issues period…. is there nothing else to blog about? Yesterday it was about exploiting black women on VH-1 – today this crap… – seriously BP – are you out of ideas?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/cgcrayton/ cgcrayton

    There is no such thing as “reverse” discrimination, there is only discrimination. By utilizing this term whites are merely acknowledging the prescence of a disparity and their unease with finally being affected by it.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/doubleap/ doubleap

    What kind of statistical data do you have to prove this? President Obama’s election didn’t change a country in 102 days!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/qeutiepei/ qeutiepei

    Turn about is fair play didn’t they used to say? What goes around comes back around. Sow good seeds cuz reaping time is surely got to come. At least tho’ white guys aint afraid to holla at me now. Be not decieved God is not mocked, whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap. Aint it funny how now they call discrimination but back then it was well he was better qualified for the job?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Ashiekesined/ Ashiekesined

    What goes around comes around. Discrimination is discrimination. There is no reverse. There is only a beginning with no end. My husband was told not to stand at the stop sign at the end of our street because he was loitering. Continuing to say that better be all you are doing. He was waiting for our kids to get off the bus and cross the street,which is a four way stop. Yes, we are black and the policeman was white. CLEARLY PREJUDICE AND DISCRIMINATORY.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/mrphotoc40d/ mrphotoc40d

    It is funny how God works. Now that the whites are going through what we have been going through all of our lives, they think they are been mistreated. As long as they do it to us, there is no problem. One of the days before time stop, just maybe we will all be able to get along as people and there will be no color issue involved. I do believe now the whites will stop treating us like no body, and start seeing us a humans.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/drwrencho/ drwrencho

    Well I guess we have to take everything by a case to case basis. For me it is simple I don’t have a huge education under my belt and I don’t get the big money , my bad!!! Asians and Doctors from India don’t seem to have a problem landing the high paying jobs. EDUCATION

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/NuBNVenus/ NuBNVenus

    If we have ‘Reverse Discrimination’ that would mean that it was/is okay for the party claiming this injustice to discriminate against others themselves. It’s really a shame that our government, in the 21st Century, still has to define for it’s people what FAIR is, and some of our lawmakers don’t really know themselves.

    When I first encounter the term, on a personal note, it was from a gentleman that I worked with. He was appalled that a friend of his daughter’s had been denied admission to college. This young white woman had a 3.5 GPA and had been told by someone in admissions that, during late registration, they were only admitting minority students with a 2.0 GPA or better. He just couldn’t believe the University was practicing ‘reverse discrimination’.

    I asked him if he thought there were any white students enrolled with a lower GPA than the 3.5 of this woman? What he thought the percentage of minority students was at this particular university? (I think it was about 2% African American at the time). How much government money the University would lose if they did not make an attempt to diversify, and try to correct this long standing wrong of denying minority enrollment? If he thought it would be fair to the students who had gotten off their butts and enrolled on time, to be denied the benefit of this money the university would lose? He was silent for a moment then told me he just hadn’t thought about it that way. Now, I doubt that if the subject came up again among his family and friends, that he would change his initial opinion in any way. I just don’t know if he was that strong and it takes a strong person to go against the norm. Sometimes we just do not think. We have a tendency to feed off the emotions of our peers.

    Discrimination has been commonplace in this country for so long that it was just expected by some whites. The attitude of being able to do anything you want and have anything you want regardless of the law or whom it hurts is learned behavior and has nothing to do with being fair. When you try to right a wrong that is as old as this country itself, it makes some people nervous.

    Fear is a very strong emotion and ‘Obama Haters’ fear that he will exact some sort of revenge for past discrimination. They just don’t get it. The fear that they will have to endure the same behavior, they have become so use to exhibiting themselves, just won’t let them see.

    The beautiful thing about this President is that he can see the BIG PICTURE. The color that he sees is green, life on this planet, our future, not money. When huge amounts of Americans are weak then America is weak. When America is weak, our economy weak, the rest of the world as we now see, is also weak.

    Hate, fear and greed have caused us to do many destructive things to our society, our country, as well as other countries and our planet. We all need to take a positive stance, practice thinking for a change, and look at the BIG PICTURE.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/kraftts/ kraftts

    From my point of view in a small town of America and in New York State. I really do not see much discrimination between blacks,hispanics,and a majority of other races and whites. However I do see that the United States is letting it’s borders be over ran with new immagrantsthat are invading our towns and cities, don’t get me wrong I believe in equal oppruntunity, but lets be fair about this situation, where is our government when we are in hard ships, I am disabled and it took me 10 long years to fight and work a job and to be told I should have not worked until my Social security kicked in and yet I see Arabs and other in that race get Social Security and they either have just become a citizen, why do I need to work 20 or more years to collect and most other races don’t as I see it. I may be wrong and apologise to all those I have offended I did not intentionally do that or try to offended any one i am a peaceful person , but I do not like when other races claim that the whites get what they want and others are discriminated against I just don’t see that but I have heard of this happening.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/skipperj09/ skipperj09

    Now that the other side is feeling the why blacks have been treated for years they are trying say that there’s no equality but lets keep in mind they were the one’s who put things in motion for to have to feel this way, What most people don’t realize is that fairness doesn’t come from a color it comes from the quality of your skill, your academic’s deveristy to adapt in the moement of time when being called upon. We’ve sat and watched Jewish people get paid for the holucast, the Indians for there land they lost,but ?? when have you ever heard of the Black american recieving any compasation from our for fathers of slavery, Never, but we keep being the culperit that carrys the reason white’s cant get jobs the His-spanics get the shaft for being dark like us but they’ve made it through the rough periods of blame. So I ask Again; what are we not being blame for, how many YEARS have we suffered under a white president’s that was our only way and right’s to democracy, But now you say were stopping your growth in this world,it’s not about color it’s about change in the thinking, the direction, the process the way things get done. We have always wanted to have peace and a peice of the american liberty’s that we shoulder’s side by-side to build this world. Please WHITE america you really need to wake-up you could’nt have done it all by yourselves if this world was all white, We’ve watch for a long- long time and now it come’s to past you need us too. So shoulder-up this ride can just possibly bring you out just as well deliver us too, You wrote history, but were writing time. “Just like we ALL serve one GOD”. Be brave it’s for the best and the betterness can prevail.. !!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/LilTheezy/ LilTheezy

    Just because Obama is president doesn’t mean black people are completely on top. It shows that the country as a whole is ready to see beyond the color of someone’s skin, especially after Bush’s disaterous presidency. Black people as well as all other people of color still have a long way to go because this is still a country where most of those in powerful positions are white. “White is right” is something we’ve still got generations to go in order to erase this moto.

    Discrimination is never appropriate. EVER! It is interesting to see a lot more caucasian’s aknowledging the evils of racism. Even if it is because they feel it’s aimed at them. There are a lot of angry white people out here and we must be careful!

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Jauharah/ Jauharah

    Anyone that believes that racism is now dead and that Affirmative Action is no longer needed is a blind idiot and I don’t care the color of their skin [Ward Connerly and others of like mind make me sick]. If such were the case and racism were dead and Affirmative Action no longer needed then Obama would not still be referred to as the Black President (although he’s bi-racial and is only the 1st visibly Black President). As to reverse discrimination claims they are a crock. Whites (rather European whites) even the poorest and least educated are always given preferential treatment. [Arabs although considered White by federal definition are not afforded the same opportunities unless they willingly hide their Arabness].

    These days a black person needs to be 3x as educated to get 1/3 as far. Whites get promoted at a faster rate and are far more likely to be rewarded for poor performance whereas a person of color is not.

    In New York State the demographics of the labor force reflect that employers are not keeping pace. Furthermore one finds that people of color are generally in the lower ranking/paid positions within an organization. I am shocked yet not surprised each month when I prepare demographic reports.

    Minority and Women owned businesses are often overlooked for contracts or even subcontracts and thus the need for Article 15a in order to afford these businesses an opportunity to even bid.

    What is really disheartening is that Blacks that are in positions of power/authority are reluctant to assist other Blacks in moving up the career ladder. This only reflects the individuals’ insecurity and possibly even their actual incompetence for the position they hold. I know several like that and I just want to kick them and slap them on the back of the head until they get some sense; of course I realize I’d be beating them for a while.

    As to letting to many immigrants in; come on now. The government sets quotas on the number of immigrants from each country that will be permitted in; majority White countries naturally get a larger pool which is why people strive to sneak in or over stay visas.

    Cuban “boat people” get better treatment than Hatian “boat people” but no one wants to talk about that. Why?

    Until this country can truly get over skin color then Affirmative Action laws are needed and in fact more such laws are necessary.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/chocolatemocha2/ chocolatemocha2

    WE AS A PEOPLE SEEMS TO BE PUTTING QUITE ALOT INTO THE FACT THAT OBAMA IS PRESIDENT AND THAT GIVES US AS BLACK PEOPLE THE RITES WE’VE SO LONG DESIRED,IT ISN’T SO,MAYBE IT WILL GET US A LITTLE CLOSER TO WAT WE WANT,IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE’S QUITE A LOT OF HURDDLES TO CLIMB,THE TING IS THAT EVERY TING IS GOING INTO REVERSE WHERE IT USED TO BE THE BLACKS COMLAINING, IT’S NOW THE WHITES,NOW THEY’RE LOOKIN FOR THE SAME THING THE BLACKS WERE LOOKING FOR,EQUAL RITES” ONLY THEY(THE WHITES)HAD IT AND AND DIDN’T PUT IT TO GOOD USE,NOW DAT THERE’S A BLACK PRESIDENT THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR STAND IN THE WORLD,LUCKILY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE NEW PRESIDENT IS NOT ABOUT COLOR,BUT TRYING TO MAKE ALL THE WRONGS RITE,BUT THERES ALOT OF PEOPLE HOLDING ON TO THE NOTION THAT OBAMA IS GOING TO SEEK REVENGE FOR PAST DISCRIMINATIONS,ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS,IS THAT ALL WE CAN THINK ABOUT, HOW ABOUT TRYING TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH EACH OTHER,ABOUT TRYIN TO LIVE ONE DAY AT A TIME,THE GOOD BOOK SAYS,LOVE AS U WOULD LIKE TO BE LOVED, SO DO LIKE THE PRESIDENT AND SEE PAST THE HATE,THE ENVY,AND THINK ABOUT WHAT LITTLE GOOD U CAN DO WHILE YOU’RE HERE ON THIS GREEN EARTH.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/Bear_1980/ Bear_1980

    I believe everyone here who interpreted this article as “white people against Obama” need to re-read the article. This article merely states the struggles of everyone involved in the quest for racial equality. I am Hispanic, Latino, Spanish, however you want to label me is perfectly fine, we seem to want to achieve racial equality yet we label ourselves and each other in our very thoughts. I served honorably in the Marine Corps and I have seen “minorities” get promoted over the “majority (whites)” based on their race to meet a quota rather than performance, if the roles were reversed in that situation, wouldn’t everyone here yell bloody murder and picket “whitey” for the racist discrimination occurring? I am really tired of people pulling the race card, we are so fierce in our quest for what we all individually consider to be equality, we forget that our neighbor might be affected adversely by our actions, are we as a nation that petty? Unfortunately, the answer seems to be yes, we claim that we need to be “3x educated to get 1/3 as far” education is not the only thing I look at when I interview someone for a position, the way they carry themselves, the way they speak, can they fit into my everyday grind based on their attitude, answers, mannerisms and appearance (clothes, clean, no odors, shaved, hair brushed) all of these things are what we all possess as human beings and those are some of the deciding factors we should all look at rather than quickly jump to racial conclusions. I hear a lot more racist remarks on an everyday basis from my FAMILY than I do from customers or friends who happen to be white. We as “minorities” need not be vindictive and taunting in our approach towards these sorts of situations, everyone here portrays us as victims of this and that, personally I am not a victim of anything, getting ahead in any atmosphere requires skills, tact and knowledge, otherwise known as “game” why not learn it and use it to your advantage? For those who quote “the good book” doesn’t it also teach to turn the other cheek? That is more than just physically turning a cheek, there is a whole attitude nehind that to teach us to move forward and not look back. I can write about this forever but I think you guys get my point of view from what I’ve written so far…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/PapermanFla/ PapermanFla

    The last 3 paragraphs in the article basically sums up how I feel about the whole article. White people crying about they are being discriminated against. Well if that is the case tuff sh*t, they are getting a taste of their own medicine. A race of people that are in the advantage of control in this world when it comes to quality education, and jobs is crying they are being discriminated against is funny. Unfortunately the job market isn’t fair in hiring minorities especially blacks. White people think blacks having jobs and trying to feed there families is a joke. They don’t think we should work for anything like we have to go around begging like stray animals. It doesn’t even matter let the ones that are crying cry like they have a real problem. The thing is until people learn to be fair and show each other respect things want change. They want to cry about changing laws but they don’t want to change morals, ethics, and values. Studies have already been done that prove the job market is leveled, and is actually unleveled in favor of whites. There was a study done that I read about a year ago. The study consisted of a black and white man both with the same job credentials (degrees, certificates, education, experience…) except the white man had a criminal record. Well in applying for jobs the black man was still no more likely to be hired than the white man. WTF??? Affrimative action no longer needed yeah right. HAHA

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/cclovezu/ cclovezu

    I think all these tacticts are all republican motivated. Before President Obama was even elected a man name Hart on the Paris, Tn. square bosted a sign for himself to be elected the senate. The sign says, “Egual rights for whites.” I think the playing field has been unequal to minorities for years.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/JAY-RBG/ JAY-RBG

    Jauharah hit it on the head

    But seriously this is a joke right?!?!?!

    it’s things like this that make cries for complete separation of the races more plausible

    we endure historically doc**ented slavery, discrimination, and racism for centuries in this country and because they haven’t been able to climb the corporate ladder at their jobs in three years, they cry foul play. This was not serious at all.

    “REVERSE-RACISM”
    the term alone sounds like an oxymoron LMAO and people who claim it just sound like “MORONS”

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/au-dree/ au-dree

    man this is crazy, yes racism is wrong it has been from the start. yes alot of bad stuff has taken place because of it. the history between whites & blacks has been a rough one. im white my kids are mixed, in other words in this country no one will ever see them for the both halfs that they are, they will be veiwed as black, which is fine by me, but they are still apart of me& who i am. anyway it seems racism comes from both sides these days, i feel it as well because of the life style i live. ive never seen two different races think they are so different when in some cases they are not.. you have good and bad in both, youhave poor and rich in both. now i admit im not black and may never know what racism means for some, but my kids are my life and like any mother what effects them hurts me just the same. the fact that now our president now is black, well half black, but like i mentioned before about my own kids people only see what they want too. man our history is for us to learn from not act like jacka–es. this should be a time when we come together and try to survive, not disagree bout racism, we all know what it is and what its about. if you dont want someone to be a certain way to you than remember that when you are ready to miss treat someone, its time to be better than ever, if someone wants to be stupid, than let them be just that, like these so called white racist groups, people who preach any kind of hate for another person based on what they look like and like one of the other things i read on this site , when some said white people think they are so cat smart, leave that dumbness in the dirt.. all people are not alike, i speak for myself…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/cl1750/ cl1750

    There’s a lot to say on this subject and primarily because you have neo-cons claiming the “high ground” with “think tanks” with names like the Center for Equal Opportunity. I started my first business in 1989 and immediately ran into Anglos who weren’t content with 90 -95% of the overall business; they wanted it all. They started suing back then when they were told they had to give a certain amount of business to minorities because they had traditionally and presently squeezed everyone but other whites out of the running for contracts. This isn’t a joke people. The same sour-graping neo-racists who enjoyed the heck out of the Bush years and all the criminal discrimination of tyhose years are going to ramp up these insidious suits because you have a conservative majority in the Supreme Court and they know those guys (and they’re ALL guys) have been eroding affirnmative action for a number of years now. Roberts just made the claim for those firemen and scolded the city by cutting off any attempt at a counter-argument. He, Alito and Thomas at the forefront of this re-interpretation of the Constitution will destroy any and all advances minorities have made. Sadly, Obama cannot fire or remove them for their opinions and Cheney made sure he got younger justices in place so their agenda could be forced in and stay protected for years to come…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/SirLuvrman/ SirLuvrman

    You know, even though there may exist racism on from sides of the spectrum. Why don’t we look at their track record. Think about it, whites for many years have given every race a reason to hate them and not because they are white but because of what they represent and have done and will possibly continue to do. It is ridiculous to think that they are denied the job because of their fair skin tone but more because we have a hard time trusting their judgement and the will to be fair. If reverse racism exist, then how do you explain why the majority of CEO’s are white, heck in my job it is hard for anyone other then white to get a job in the management field. I say that it’s not reverse racism but more of a qualification issue. You didn’t meet that criteria therefore you don’t get the job but then who cares what we think let them have the job because they are white and far more superior to us. That just pisses me off. Sorry folks for being blunt but take a good look at the southern states. I am from California and are now living in Georgia and have seen the differences and believe when I say that the only racism that exist is the original mentally towards people of color other than white. I don’t hate white people, they hate me.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/MYGREENEYES4U/ MYGREENEYES4U

    well i have taken the time out to read alot of the comments posted on this subject and let me tell u im findin it really ridiculous to keep readin…
    1st off let me say im a wht woman,who is not gonna sit here and bash the whts the blks or any otha race as many ppl on here are doing….what happened in our past was ignorant i agree,but come on ppl that was yrs ago..im not sayin u as black ppl should forgive nor forget but the world does have to go on. we cant sit and keep bringin up past hate when we are fighting so hard now adays to erase racism. wht ppl who are crying they are being treated unfairly suck it up,i look at it like this.GOD gave everyone the same thing,2 arms,2hands,2 legs,2 feet,2 eyes,a nose and a mouth and 2 ears..he also gave us all the same color of blood..if each of us cant go out and do the same job as another it should have nothing to do with the color of your skin nor ur minority..
    i truely believe that ppl play this out way to much…and when i say that im not labeling any minority im say all of us…let the past b the past…im sorry that my wht ancestors where a*****es,but im not them and if bothers me that this is decades later and still i get blamed for what happened then,i wasnt there and i had no control…i will say this though,my life is centered 4 the most part around blacks and i will b damned if i eva see a person disrespected in any way…i date blks my niece is mixed and i dont and wont put up with the ignorance.and one more thing 4 those of u who keep referrin to our black president,dont forget his mother and her side were wht…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/blackjtown007/ blackjtown007

    Here is what this leaves out.in the case of the white firefighters..all the fire fighters took a test…it was a big group…but only whites and hispanics based..no blacks….but they then came back and said the test was invaild because no blacks had based, even though NO ONE has shown that the test was in any way biased. Just for whatever reason..the black people who took the test didnt pass…also one of the guys who sued was hispanic..he passed the test..but was not given the job…..I understand all the arguements everyone has said….but clearly that seems pretty damn wrong…

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/blackjtown007/ blackjtown007

    did my post post?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/jbstone/ jbstone

    I had to read and re-read this article when it first post because after reading it was funny and then I became angry. For so many years, white america found itself in control of the hiring practices that are in place. They made the law and now the law is being used to improve parity among all americans, now it’s unfair – to them because jobs are given to people whose qualifications may match or exceed there own. This is a crock. During a recent news report a survey shows that whites in the corporate world still make approx 44% more than blacks doing the same job. And hispanics and asians make even less. Why is this? Education has become more available to minorities and we have taken more advantage of becoming more educated but when it comes to actually getting hired, that is a different story. Corporate america has been using a person’s credit score in order to determine a person’a ability and level of responsibility in performing a job. What is going to happen now that millions of whites are out of jobs? During this season of depression how many more whites will commit suicide because their 401k’s, portolio’s and retirement plans have been reduced in value? I am sure their will be some events of suicide within the minority sector due to the current economic climate but not nearly as many that will occur in white america. My question to you, what do you think about the personality tests that are being administered to job applicants prior to being interviewed? Is this really a method used in order to recruit the best applicant for the job or is this a ploy used by corporate eeo’s to present to the government when they’re convened by a senate hearing committee? Many people took offense when Rev. Wright made the comment that “the chickens have come home to roost.” I thought it was funny because now, the hen house is full to over flowing. Of course, this is my opinion. Black people keep praying!

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  • http://www.blackplanet.com/sintrinsic/ sintrinsic

    I would say I’m astounded by the responses to this article, but sadly, I’m not. I see people referring to “Whites”, “Blacks”, and “Hispanics” as if they were each a united entity, opposing all others. This is the core of the flaw in our thought process that needs to be remedied.

    I know we’ve all heard this in school and through various other sources, but we must never allow ourselves to attribute the actions or traits of an individual to our perception of a conceptual group. Likewise, we cannot assume that any individual possesses personality traits or is predisposed to certain actions simply because he or she is part of a conceptual group (such as one based on skin color, rather than a conscious uniform intent).

    I know that as part of our human nature, we are driven to consolidate individual facts into concepts, and to consolidate entities into groups based on common traits; this is perfectly fine, and probably unavoidable. The problem with this aspect of human nature is that it causes people, as is evidenced by the replies to this article, to say things like, “whites for many years have given every race a reason to hate them”. If every racist action taken by a person of fair skin is attributed to the race as a whole, then the statement would be entirely accurate, but luckily, a murder committed by John Doe does not make Robert Smith is a murderer, simply because they share skin tones.

    Is it fair when a person with dark skin named James gets assaulted by a racist named Tom with light skin? Obviously not! Would that conclusion change if you knew that a group of dark skinned individuals with ABSOLUTELY no connection or relation to James had killed Tom parents? The answer would still be no.
    Why then, is there any debate that it’s inappropriate for a person to discard a group of test scores in which primarily white participants passed, simply because the passing group was mostly white? If the questions only pertained to the position being sought, and each student was given the same set of questions, what makes it necessary to disregard the best scoring applicants? Is the answer that elsewhere in the world, throughout history, there have existed racist white people that discriminate based on skin color? It certainly isn’t because the test givers discriminated against people with dark skin, because those same test givers discarded the scores of their own volition when the answers favored the white applicants.

    All this being said, I BEG anyone reading this to start making a conscious effort to evaluate a person exclusively as an individual. If you witness or hear of a person discriminating against another for the color or their skin, or the presence of a specific type of genitals, do what must be done to rectify the situation to the best of your ability, but leave your judgments of that person separate from your perception of any group he or she may be a member of. All it would take is one generation of children raised to regard skin color as another unimportant aesthetic trait, to create an America where life could be experienced without the stress, fear, and pain that racism causes.

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/westcoaster/ westcoaster

    I logged into the site to read the article for a paper I am writing, and read down through some of the comments. I agree both with Jauhara and Blackjtown007 – which may sound contradictory. Also, someone mentioned frequent use of “labels” (white, black, Hispanic – we are all people I agree, but these identifiers are necessary to make our points). First I should point out that I am a white woman – that may make a difference to some (which actually contradicts the argument against racial bias). It truly disturbs me that such a program as Affirmative Action is necessary – but it in fact is. It would be preferable in my opinion for employers to base all of their hiring, firing and promotion decisions on education, experience and ability – period; without considering race on either end (black, white, Hispanic … should really not be a factor). Unfortunately, this law has to be forced upon some people, in the form of Affirmative Action, in order to bring about balance that should just exist anyway. I know … in a perfect world, right? Oh, wait … this law is not necessary in most other countries; it is in fact illegal because it promotes discrimination. One of the repercussions of this action is that often, qualified white people are in fact passed over simply because they are white. Many of you say that this is deserved. I would like to say I understand where you are coming from, but being white I have not had to face many of the issues faced by blacks and other minorities. In the case of the firefighters, Blackjtown007 is right on the money – read (his?) post. Being passed over was not deserved, it was wrong. Whites and a Hispanic passed the test, but were denied promotion because no blacks passed the test. Really?

    Now please, consider this: we are losing a teacher at our elementary school because we do not have enough students to justify the additional teacher. This teacher is favored by her students, whether they are black, white, Hispanic or Asian – they are all affected. The school board policy is that we must terminate the lowest seniority non-minority teacher. Therefore, we will be losing the white teacher with the lowest seniority – not the teacher with the lowest seniority. In other words – she is losing her job because she is white, and we are keeping a less experienced teacher. Some of you have also said that reverse discrimination is an oxymoron. Do you really think it is fair to protect one class and disregard another? And yet, you believe yourself not to be racist? I’m wondering what your definition of oxymoron really is?

  • http://www.blackplanet.com/hdeanberrydotcom/ hdeanberrydotcom

    Blackplanet.com, the world is yours? You’re very motto is racist and meant to provoke. If I owned a domain called WhitePlanet.com you’d instantly be calling me a nazi.

    This “forum” perfectly reflects what the blacks have in mind (not that I expect my comments to appear). Most of the published comments are pro-black, pro “reverse discrimination.” Actually, pretty militant.

    I know from my own experience that most, yes most blacks I’ve met, are very prejudiced against whites. I’ve encountered it especially in the workplace where the blacks have begun to make inroads.

    In fact, I’ve filed several reverse discrimination complaints against companies who discriminate against white men in favor of blacks. I found to my surprise that, thanks to “affirmative action”, blacks have climbed up into decision-making positions and, without exception, have ruled against me as white man. If what was done to me was done to a black, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and the Nevada Equal Rights Commission would have declared right away that discrimination was present.

    In short, you’re doing the very same things you said were bad when the “good ole boy network” was doing them. You’re hiring and promoting your own kind while excluding white men. And you never admit doing it out of spite and revenge. You invariably cite high-sounding motives like “leveling the playing field.” Just admit it’s all about payback. And hypocrisy.

    There aren’t two sets of right and wrong. If it’s wrong for whites to discriminate against blacks, it’s also, of course, wrong for blacks to discriminate against whites. If you’re prejudiced against somebody because of his race, you’re a racist. Period. You seem to want a color-blind society as long as your color has the preference.

    Email me, and I’ll give you links to my various blogs. You can read the truth.

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